MESO "Specialized" Testing Group Fund

[Photon]

Yeah, for sure. Let's get a testing done. What tests allow us to see acetone in RAWs or oils? @janoshik hey man, I'm back. Do you mind sparing some of your time when you're free?

Post in thread 'TheScholarOfBrew - Trenbolone Acetate 100mg/ml 3rd party'

Jul 17, 2025

@janoshik

Can you please chime in with your expertise? Is this stuff even real? Surely you would have some kind of insight? We would all appreciate some kind of opinion from you to shut this purifying none sense to bed.

If it was this magical solution for all our problems, don't you think some other big lab would know better? For all these years, they're suddenly not doing it?

Makes me roll my eyes

Recrystallization is a technique we regularly employ to purify our standards and it's not as simple as it appears upon the first look, but it's definitely doable. And...

• janoshik

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@janoshik
And to be more specific.
If someone were to attempt to recrystallize at home, what test would you suggest pre and post, to ensure the process succeeded, from a harm reduction standpoint?

 

[readalot]

he took a nap while brewing it

I genuinely believe they think this is perfectly fine. That is why I am not ID'ing the vendor. It is a widespread issue. Hopefully we can have a real positive step change for the community. And it aint just US Domestic issue either.

 

[Photon]

I genuinely believe they think this is perfectly fine. That is why I am not ID'ing the vendor. It is a widespread issue. Hopefully we can have a real positive step change for the community. And it aint just US Domestic issue either.

This forum is toxic, each time im here i end up spending money..
Now who has some tren raws..

 

[Walter Hype]

I genuinely believe they think this is perfectly fine. That is why I am not ID'ing the vendor. It is a widespread issue. Hopefully we can have a real positive step change for the community. And it aint just US Domestic issue either.

Look, they don't know any better.

Half the time these people don't even know the stuff we're talking about.

They were taught a certain way, they saw it spread around a certain way, and they assume is truth.

This is an ignorance problem, not a woefully evil source looking to spread bad gear and taking money.

The only time that we should blame the source is that they don't adapt with this information that we are spreading and giving them.


Go directly to the source to say, Hey, man, I noticed your stuff is dark. Did you know that tren when dark is degraded and that you are actively giving your customers weaker product and oxidation compound?


If they don't commit to fixing the problem after being informed of this, then yes, we can then proceed to blame the source.

 

[readalot]

This forum is toxic

Definitely, i need to gtfo here!! Lol.

 

[readalot]

Look, they don't know any better.

Half the time these people don't even know the stuff we're talking about.

They were taught a certain way, they saw it spread around a certain way, and they assume is truth.

This is an ignorance problem, not a woefully evil source looking to spread bad gear and taking money.

The only time that we should blame the source is that they don't adapt with this information that we are spreading and giving them.


Go directly to the source to say, Hey, man, I noticed your stuff is dark. Did you know that trend when dark is degraded and that you are actively giving your customers weaker product and oxidation compound?


If they don't commit to fixing the problem after being informed of this, then yes, we can then proceed to blame the source.

Agreed.

 

[dinfar1337]

This forum is toxic, each time im here i end up spending money..
Now who has some tren raws..

worse than going out with wife

 

[Walter Hype]

This forum is toxic, each time im here i end up spending money..
Now who has some tren raws..

Bro, Tren is gone. I know that's hard to hear, but somehow that one got sapped dry.

I've been looking sucking dick and Asking every single possible nook and cranny that shit is dry as the desert! Not even my big lab friends will sell me any of their tren... Even if i offer ridiculous amounts for it. Its a bad time to buy tren raws.

However, there is a solution for our experiments........ We can still acquire tren pellets. That is still readily available at a... Um.... High cost per gram

I do still have nine vials of my purified batch on hand which might be handy. However, they have been passed around through other customers hands and have unknown color to them. They look like they've darkened over time. Which wasnt the color when i sent it a few months ago.

 

[readalot]

Post in thread 'TheScholarOfBrew - Trenbolone Acetate 100mg/ml 3rd party'

Jul 17, 2025

@janoshik

Can you please chime in with your expertise? Is this stuff even real? Surely you would have some kind of insight? We would all appreciate some kind of opinion from you to shut this purifying none sense to bed.

If it was this magical solution for all our problems, don't you think some other big lab would know better? For all these years, they're suddenly not doing it?

Makes me roll my eyes

Recrystallization is a technique we regularly employ to purify our standards and it's not as simple as it appears upon the first look, but it's definitely doable. And...

• janoshik

• 

@janoshik
And to be more specific.
If someone were to attempt to recrystallize at home, what test would you suggest pre and post, to ensure the process succeeded, from a harm reduction standpoint?

With solvent / anti-solvent methods, you would need to ensure residual solvents are gone.

Patents shared above...

Acetone
Heptane
Methylene chloride
etc.

Very leary of anyone trying this at home if they dont know what they are doing.

And now we are back to needing an accurate residual solvents method. Lol.

 

[Walter Hype]

With solvent / anti-solvent methods, you would need to ensure residual solvents are gone.

Patents shared above...

Acetone
Heptane
Methylene chloride
etc.

Very leary of anyone trying this at home if they dont know what they are doing.

And now we are back to needing an accurate residual solvents method. Lol.

Stick with acetone. Its easier than the rest but you need a vacuum chamber and to dry the raws for as long as you are comfortable till the raws have zero smell

Again an anecdotal observation but my smelling strength is very good. No smell is huge for one. All tren that i have bought from qsc had a strong smell. Also the raws should be powderized to speed the drying process.


You can use IPA but the key with recrystallization is to find a solvent that the raws dissolve very quickly in when closer to the boiling point of the solvent, but it's very hard to hold when cold. Alternatively anti solvent if no one solvent system is sufficient.

Acetone is pretty strong solvent but when slow crashed it can form strong crystals and push out impurities otherwise hot ipa could work. Just really hot as it has less solvent power.

 

[readalot]

Stick with acetone. Its easier than the rest but you need a vacuum chamber and to dry the raws for as long as you are comfortable till the raws have zero smell

Again an anecdotal observation but my smelling strength is very good. No smell is huge for one. All tren that i have bought from qsc had a strong smell. Also the raws should be powderized to speed the drying process.


You can use IPA but the key with recrystallization is to find a solvent that the raws dissolve very quickly in when closer to the boiling point of the solvent, but it's very hard to hold when cold. Alternatively anti solvent if no one solvent system is sufficient.

Acetone is pretty strong solvent but when slow crashed it can form strong crystals and push out impurities otherwise hot ipa could work. Just really hot as it has less solvent power.

Acetone with right temp / time profile has excellent benefit (very high vapor pressures) as you state. **We need disclaimer on all this so no one does anything really bad. **

 

[Walter Hype]

Acetone with right temp / time profile has excellent benefit (very high vapor pressures) as you state. **We need disclaimer on all this so no one goes anything really bad. **

Yeah guys, everything we say here is all discussion. None of this is an instructional guide.

Do not attempt this on your own without more data, please. Thanks.

 

[readalot]

Post in thread 'Tren . . . the nectar of the gods'

Aug 9, 2025

@readalot

Here are some more color samples to add to the database. I had a few other brands, but already went through them all, unfortunately. The one I remember was a cloudy and relatively dark Ace, and made me cough quite frequently. The far right example in these pics will never go into my body... well, almost never.

The hypothetical use case would be the following scenario:

We're deep into WW3. China has begun a ground invasion of the United States. They've captured or destroyed all major cities, but some resistance cells still exist in rural areas. I'm in my bunker when I...

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Thanks so much for taking the time to write that up @AllGoodThings. Wow!! Look at that TrenAce on the right. Damn!!+!!

 

[readalot]

On second thought, maybe I should just throw all that garbage Tren away...

 

[dinfar1337]

Post in thread 'Tren . . . the nectar of the gods'

Aug 9, 2025

@readalot

Here are some more color samples to add to the database. I had a few other brands, but already went through them all, unfortunately. The one I remember was a cloudy and relatively dark Ace, and made me cough quite frequently. The far right example in these pics will never go into my body... well, almost never.

The hypothetical use case would be the following scenario:

We're deep into WW3. China has begun a ground invasion of the United States. They've captured or destroyed all major cities, but some resistance cells still exist in rural areas. I'm in my bunker when I...

• AllGoodThings

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Thanks so much for taking the time to write that up @AllGoodThings. Wow!! Look at that TrenAce on the right. Damn!!+!!

see @Walter Hype
yours isnt the best color but the color on the 1st and 4th vial is around it.

 

[readalot]

see @Walter Hype
yours isnt the best color but the color on the 1st and 4th vial is around it.

Stan's looks pretty good compared to the rotgut shit i got.

 

[AllGoodThings]

The crazy part is that the Ace on the far right and the E on the far left were purchased from the same source at the same time. So I'm not sure how much is due to their brewing process and how much is due to the raws they're using, how they store them, the shipping conditions of said raws.. lots of variables. That particular source also sent me Mast E 200 that crashed at ~62 Fahrenheit, and from what I know about that particular compound, it's not a particularly difficult one to keep in solution. It should go without saying that I don't buy from that guy any longer. He even had a terrible attitude on top of everything else. Joining MESO really saved me from a lot of garbage gear purchases.

 

[readalot]

The crazy part is that the Ace on the far right and the E on the far left were purchased from the same source at the same time. So I'm not sure how much is due to their brewing process and how much is due to the raws they're using, how they store them, the shipping conditions of said raws.. lots of variables. That particular source also sent me Mast E 200 that crashed at ~62 Fahrenheit, and from what I know about that particular compound, it's not a particularly difficult one to keep in solution. It should go without saying that I don't buy from that guy any longer. He even had a terrible attitude on top of everything else. Joining MESO really saved me from a lot of garbage gear purchases.

Beautiful labeling Sir. Thank you for the methodical captions.

 

[dinfar1337]

Stan's looks pretty good compared to the rotgut shit i got.

im guessing the stan is sp label?

i cant imagine injecting something that looks so poisonous? ofc you are getting tren cough, look at what you're injecting into yourself lmao

 

[readalot]

im guessing the stan is sp label?

i cant imagine injecting something that looks so poisonous? ofc you are getting tren cough, look at what you're injecting into yourself lmao

I think so. Sorry @Stanfordpharma1. Should have ordered from you instead. Damn it.

Well at least we can see quite a bit of diversity out there. Now let's get some testing.

To make this easier should we pick "good" and "bad" color vials with same oil type and send? Or do we just want to rough up a good vial, darken, then send it in with another of the same that hasn't been overheated?

I did like the plan above by Walter, TBH.