MESO "Specialized" Testing Group Fund

[readalot]

Here's how I think we should conduct the testing at least in regards to Tren

We should have a bad sample. One that darker than ideal. GSMS test it. Then we should also acquire samples that look closer to ideal. GSMS test that too

GCMS. You are referring to oil formulation here. I like this idea. Will give us qualitative view of impurities. Any degradation products of the tren will have similar ionization but different m/z profiles. If there are any significant amounts, we will see them.

These samples should contain the exact same oil, ideally. Preferably from the same brand. Same manufacturer. We have to rule out all the other variables.

Yes, just a color screen. One very light color. The other brown or whatever.

Finally, as the ultimate test,

Take a sample of tested tren ace raws. Assuming the purity is non-ideal, run it through one pass of recrystallization using dehydrated lab-grade acetone. You will cold crash this very, very, very, very slowly. I'm talking this will take a process of maybe two days. The slower the better ( we want dramatic differences so this matter) recover the crystals. Vaccume chamber them to extract any lingering solvents

Store it in a amber vial and send it to Jano. Perform a nitrogen flush inside that vial. That way during transit we have no possible way of oxygen or light degrading it in transit to Jano on an airplane.

This will show the differences we are talking about with data.

Before and after cleanup on raw. Nice. HPLC and GCMS on those two raw samples?

 

[Walter Hype]

GCMS. You are referring to oil formulation here. I like this idea. Will give us qualitative view of impurities. Any degradation products of the tren will have similar ionization but different m/z profiles. If there are any significant amounts, we will see them.


Yes, just a color screen. One very light color. The other brown or whatever.



Before and after cleanup on raw. Nice. HPLC and GCMS on those two raw samples?

Absolutely, I mean that would give you data on the process even though we know it works on paper and it's performed routinely in the field. It's not rocket science, and it's definitely not black magic.

They do this during synthesis itself.

All we're doing, at least, ideally, is fixing up the bad stuff that's getting around.

At least that's how I see it, and yeah, I would like to see an HPLC test plus GCMS on both.

 

[readalot]

GSMS

GCMS.

 

[Walter Hype]

GCMS.

Fixed I use voice to text so it sometimes fucks up my spelling

You will almost never see me type something out. I'm a better speaker than I am a typer

 

[readalot]

It's not rocket science, and it's definitely not black magic.

This is correct. Basic organic chemistry method (crystallization) used to clean up synthesis products.

Adding these references for folks. I had posted at SST but my job is never done, lol.

https://data.epo.org/publication-server/rest/v1.0/publication-dates/20220525/patents/EP4000688NWA1/document.pdf

US20240025941A1 - Improved process for the preparation of trenbolone and/or trenbolone acetate - Google Patents

Object of the present invention is an improved process for the preparation of Trenbolone (I-b) and/or Trenbolone Acetate (I-a) comprising the reaction of the compound of formula (II): wherein R is H or Ac; with an oxidant agent in presence of an acid.

patents.google.com

 

[readalot]

Fixed I use voice to text so it sometimes fucks up my spelling

You will almost never see me type something out. I'm a better speaker than I am a typer

Clearly we aren't the same person, lmao.

 

[dinfar1337]

Your analysis and spectrum is spot on the first color. It would indeed be the ideal color. But as you can see, it's still light canary.


The issue with achieving the first one is you would have to have these raws and or oil produced in an oxygen-free environment.

As soon as Tren is exposed to oxygen, oxidation happens. How fast depends on another few factors including heat, moisture in the air, how much light, what type of light

The best way to store oil for tren would be in an amber vial.

This would be very, very, very, very similar to all trans-retinoic acid.

AKA Tretinoin which is also extremely sensitive to oxygen and light and darkens depending on the exposure.

But the second one is actually achievable.

I've achieved this one myself.

This is tren ace in mct oil.
View attachment 340121

i have never seen the first color myself, but ive seen very clear almost 0% opaque tren with very light yellow color to it.

i agree with you here i just put the standard from x to z and above we will not accept

 

[Walter Hype]

This is correct. It is basic organic chemistry methods used to clean up synthesis products.

Adding these references for folks. I had posted at SST but my job is never done, lol.

https://data.epo.org/publication-server/rest/v1.0/publication-dates/20220525/patents/EP4000688NWA1/document.pdf

US20240025941A1 - Improved process for the preparation of trenbolone and/or trenbolone acetate - Google Patents

Object of the present invention is an improved process for the preparation of Trenbolone (I-b) and/or Trenbolone Acetate (I-a) comprising the reaction of the compound of formula (II): wherein R is H or Ac; with an oxidant agent in presence of an acid.

patents.google.com

Yep, every single one of my data points was derived from patents.

Then I came up with the idea, why won't we just do it ourselves? Take matters into our own hands. Be the change we wanna see yeah? Sure we take drugs but have standards no? I sure do. I wont be injecting anything not passed through my hands or someone who cares about what they make first.

 

[Walter Hype]

Clearly we aren't the same person, lmao.

I've got fat ass thumbs. Trust me. I'm a better typer on my keyboard, but I'm often not at my computer. I'm on my phone. Doing work lol. I prefer phone for form posting so voice to text saves me from being frustrated that I can't type some keys out because my thumbs are like spades.

 

[readalot]

Yep, every single one of my data points was derived from patents.

Then I came up with the idea, why won't we just do it ourselves? Take matters into our own hands. Be the change we wanna see yeah? Sure we take drugs but have standards no? I sure do. I wont be injecting anything not passed through my hands or someone who cares about what they make first.

Edit: pic removed.

Was very telling once I had it in my hands. Realized no way am I sending that.

 

[dinfar1337]

Here's how I think we should conduct the testing at least in regards to Tren

We should have a bad sample. One that darker than ideal. GSMS test it. Then we should also acquire samples that look closer to ideal. GSMS test that too

These samples should contain the exact same oil, ideally. Preferably from the same brand. Same manufacturer. We have to rule out all the other variables.

Finally, as the ultimate test,

Take a sample of tested tren ace raws. Assuming the purity is non-ideal, run it through one pass of recrystallization using dehydrated lab-grade acetone. You will cold crash this very, very, very, very slowly. I'm talking this will take a process of maybe two days. The slower the better ( we want dramatic differences so this matter) recover the crystals. Vaccume chamber them to extract any lingering solvents

Store it in a amber vial and send it to Jano. Perform a nitrogen flush inside that vial. That way during transit we have no possible way of oxygen or light degrading it in transit to Jano on an airplane.

This will show the differences we are talking about with data.

Actually, if we really want to be anal about it, we should use analytical grade acetone, which is prohibitively expensive, but if we're wanting the best data possible, perhaps that would be the path forward.

for the raws. i think you're onto a good idea but we should be within reason. lets compare bad raws 70-80% purity tren to 90-99% tren.

i also had the idea which dosent fit here since we wont be cooking at high heats for this experiment. but sources defiently wont so i thought it would be cool to compare different carrier oils and see if vials of tren with oils that use a higher heating point is more resistant to oxidizing through brewing.

 

[Walter Hype]

View attachment 340125

Was very telling once I had it in my hands. Realized no way am I sending that.

Is that ace or e?

 

[readalot]

Is that ace or e?

Guess.

 

[readalot]

for the raws. i think you're onto a good idea but we should be within reason. lets compare bad raws 70-80% purity tren to 90-99% tren.

i also had the idea which dosent fit here since we wont be cooking at high heats for this experiment. but sources defiently wont so i thought it would be cool to compare different carrier oils and see if vials of tren with oils that use a higher heating point is more resistant to oxidizing through brewing.

What I shared above was MCT. About as good as you are gonna do. Saturated.

 

[Walter Hype]

for the raws. i think you're onto a good idea but we should be within reason. lets compare bad raws 70-80% purity tren to 90-99% tren.

i also had the idea which dosent fit here since we wont be cooking at high heats for this experiment. but sources defiently wont so i thought it would be cool to compare different oils and see if vials of tren with oils that use a higher heating point is more resistant to oxidizing through brewing.

Oh yeah, for sure, heat definitely has a factor. You can see it yourself. The difference between 40c and 60 c and beyond is is extremely dramatic, but you can slow it down by literally brewing in the dark. You can literally brew your tren with no lights in your room. I know that's really hard to do. And you will notice it won't darken as much as if you had the lights on with the heat. Light is our enemy too.

 

[Photon]

Yep, every single one of my data points was derived from patents.

Then I came up with the idea, why won't we just do it ourselves? Take matters into our own hands. Be the change we wanna see yeah? Sure we take drugs but have standards no? I sure do. I wont be injecting anything not passed through my hands or someone who cares about what they make first.

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Post in thread 'TheScholarOfBrew - Trenbolone Acetate 100mg/ml 3rd party'

Jul 17, 2025

@janoshik

Can you please chime in with your expertise? Is this stuff even real? Surely you would have some kind of insight? We would all appreciate some kind of opinion from you to shut this purifying none sense to bed.

If it was this magical solution for all our problems, don't you think some other big lab would know better? For all these years, they're suddenly not doing it?

Makes me roll my eyes

Recrystallization is a technique we regularly employ to purify our standards and it's not as simple as it appears upon the first look, but it's definitely doable. And...

• janoshik

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Now on to testing.
Get someone trustworthy to
(1) Buy 2 vials of Tren from a trustable dom supplier, same batch. (which tren?)
(2) Apply heat for a few hours hours to one vial (how high?)
(3) Send both for HPLC+GCMS -- the GCMS here is mainly qualitative, remember this.
That will allow us to see what happens.

I have a pretty amber darkish looking Tren E im staring at right now from GA. It is in a 100ml vial. Transferring it to a 10ml and its light amber.

(3) As for the raws testing, I'd say we get some feedback from Jano first. My understanding that acetone will not turn up on GCMS due to high volatility, same as b.a. A different test might be needed.

 

[Walter Hype]

Oh yeah, for sure, heat definitely has a factor. You can see it yourself. The difference between 40c and 60 c and beyond is is extremely dramatic, but you can slow it down by literally brewing in the dark. You can literally brew your tren with no lights in your room. I know that's really hard to do. And you will notice it won't darken as much as if you had the lights on with the heat. Light is our enemy too.

100% don't expose your tren to the sun light or room window light for any significant time.

 

[dinfar1337]

What I shared above was MCT. About as good as you are gonna do. Saturated.

and mct has one of the lowest heating points. no wonder it has this color.

i actually suspected mct would be one of the worse ones and included it as the worst in my list to test for

mct(160c heating point)

gso(216c ish heating point)

avocado oil(270c ish heating point)

all oils are strong against oxidization. though avocado oil is experimental

 

[Walter Hype]

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Post in thread 'TheScholarOfBrew - Trenbolone Acetate 100mg/ml 3rd party'

Jul 17, 2025

@janoshik

Can you please chime in with your expertise? Is this stuff even real? Surely you would have some kind of insight? We would all appreciate some kind of opinion from you to shut this purifying none sense to bed.

If it was this magical solution for all our problems, don't you think some other big lab would know better? For all these years, they're suddenly not doing it?

Makes me roll my eyes

Recrystallization is a technique we regularly employ to purify our standards and it's not as simple as it appears upon the first look, but it's definitely doable. And...

• janoshik

• 

(2)
Now on to testing.
Get someone trustworthy to
(1) Buy 2 vials of Tren from a trustable dom supplier, same batch. (which tren?)
(2) Apply heat for a few hours hours to one vial (how high?)
(3) Send both for HPLC+GCMS -- the GCMS here is mainly qualitative, remember this.
That will allow us to see what happens.

I have a pretty amber darkish looking Tren E im staring at right now from GA. It is in a 100ml vial. Transferring it to a 10ml and its light amber.

(3) As for the raws testing, I'd say we get some feedback from Jano first. My understanding that acetone will not turn up on GCMS due to high volatility, same as b.a. A different test might be needed.

It won't show up because it evaporates so readily, especially under vacuum.

Acetone doesn't just stay somewhere, it has to go somewhere. It's boiling point is quite low. And if you pull it under vacuum, like I've done, it won't be there at all. Other solvents are quite different, but acetone specifically is extremely easy to remove. 99.97% pure acetone is pure enough for this purpose.

 

[Walter Hype]

View attachment 340125

Was very telling once I had it in my hands. Realized no way am I sending that.

If that's made in the MCT oil, then it's literally a matter that their raws were not purified like mine was.

Mine was only made in MCT oil or the ones that I have currently being shared around they all have beautiful color