Photon
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If we are not using heat, then the smoking point won't matter much.
Instead of smoking point maybe we should look at fat content.
Higher levels of unsaturated fat means higher rate of oxidation.
Mig840 > Mct > BB > BA > Avocado > EO
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If we are not using heat, then the smoking point won't matter much.
Instead of smoking point maybe we should look at fat content.
Higher levels of unsaturated fat means higher rate of oxidation.
Mig840 > Mct > BB > BA > Avocado > EO
cajunpauper
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Invariably, this testing method or hypothesis wouldn't capture all possible causes of the coloration. It would, at a minimum, begin to rule out possible causes.
A more holistic method for testing varying hypothesis could be generated, but that's really not my forte.
A more holistic method for testing varying hypothesis could be generated, but that's really not my forte.
dinfar1337
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indeed, i thought in a application setting because you better believe these ugls are using heat.
to see if theres any significant difference
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Photon
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They definitely are, see how dark Primal's Tren is that was shared lol
dinfar1337
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way too much money, way too much tren, way too much work and thinking.
we need a better way to attack this
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@MESO-Rx Administrator : it is tiresome trying to keep this cross forum dialogue going. Surely if you keep some of these sources around then you can bring back Scholar of Brew if his crime was stealth sourcing. Reinstate him as a Subscriber so we can hold him accountable. Thanks for considering.
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@MESO-Rx Administrator : it is tiresome trying to keep this cross forum dialogue going. Surely if you keep some of these sources around then you can bring back Scholar of Brew if his crime was stealth sourcing. Reinstate him as a Subscriber so we can hold him accountable. Thanks for considering.
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Photon
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Is there anything stopping him from coming back with a new account? Ive seen vendors create new accounts with subscriber statuses..
dinfar1337
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for this cause surely we can get him back.
i dont care who hates him let him start a source account in here and we will tag him here to let him help with this.
and for his comment on tren
1st color to 3rd-4th is acceptable. it gottta be clear "See through". 1st is light yellow so it can get pretty god damn good.
although i think this is what clean tren looks like we have to test it
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Scholar of Brew admits he made an alt account. Can we bring him back as "source" account if not member? I would like to pick his brain and it will benefit the community. We got alot of domestic vendors selling orange/brown tren esters. That is an issue. Let's do something about it and improve the standards.
Note S.O.B. makes some strong accusations about doxxing threats. Is there any truth to this happening on MESO (or was it another platform?) and what was done about it?
@MESO-Rx Administrator
Scholar of Brew admits he made an alt account. Can we bring him back as "source" account if not member? I would like to pick his brain and it will benefit the community. We got alot of domestic vendors selling orange/brown tren esters. That is an issue. Let's do something about it and improve the standards.
Massive Contamination Breach Across Multiple Sources
this is interesting because i have 2 different batches of tren with much different colors. DNA tren is like a slightly dark piss yellow, another one was darker like amber/orange (different source) Same, DNA piss yellow Tren. First time running Tren A.
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Note S.O.B. makes some strong accusations about doxxing threats. Is there any truth to this happening on MESO (or was it another platform?) and what was done about it?
Massive Contamination Breach Across Multiple Sources
Not being a dick (actually I am) lol :ROFLMAO:
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Note the color here...
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Great point. We need an absolute color reference.
Clarification...
Sickening if true.
Massive Contamination Breach Across Multiple Sources
Not being a dick (actually I am) lol :ROFLMAO:
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Sickening if true.
dinfar1337
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well, i spoke with him a little on telegram nothing special. but when he leaks so much stuff while talking with ppl im sure many people could have done this. if they dont come forward he'll probably never know.
in one 30min chat this motherfucker leaked his address, his name, his phone number. and accidentally send me a picture of his girlfriend on facetime.
although i would never leak that since we were talking about filtering or something. and didnt bother to save it i could easily have malicious intents
Photon
Member
Dude has photos of his fingers showing fingerprints over this board.
Buying anything from him is asking for trouble.
Wow. Had no idea. WTH?
Walter Hype
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Your analysis and spectrum is spot on the first color. It would indeed be the ideal color. But as you can see, it's still light canary.
The issue with achieving the first one is you would have to have these raws and or oil produced in an oxygen-free environment.
As soon as Tren is exposed to oxygen, oxidation happens. How fast depends on another few factors including heat, moisture in the air, how much light, what type of light
The best way to store oil for tren would be in an amber vial.
This would be very, very, very, very similar to all trans-retinoic acid.
AKA Tretinoin which is also extremely sensitive to oxygen and light and darkens depending on the exposure.
But the second one is actually achievable.
I've achieved this one myself.
This is tren ace in mct oil.
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Walter Hype
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Sign me up for any testing that you guys do in the future. I always want to contribute because I love seeing stuff like this come to life.!!
Photon
Member
This looks like the best setup?
- Amber media bottle filled, closed tightly with minimal oxygen (brew in this)
- Cold oil, higher amount of solvents to dissolve
- Zero heat
- Oil with close to zero unsaturated fat
- Of course high purity raws
You can mix with a magnetic stirrer in the bottle itself.
- Amber media bottle filled, closed tightly with minimal oxygen (brew in this)
- Cold oil, higher amount of solvents to dissolve
- Zero heat
- Oil with close to zero unsaturated fat
- Of course high purity raws
You can mix with a magnetic stirrer in the bottle itself.
Walter Hype
Subscriber
Yep, high purity raws should be the top of the list.
Your color's only gonna be good as the RAW's going in
Like I said on the other form shit in shit out
Well that was quick. Thanks @MESO-Rx Administrator!
Walter Hype
Subscriber
Here's how I think we should conduct the testing at least in regards to Tren
We should have a bad sample. One that darker than ideal. GSMS test it. Then we should also acquire samples that look closer to ideal. GSMS test that too
These samples should contain the exact same oil, ideally. Preferably from the same brand. Same manufacturer. We have to rule out all the other variables.
Finally, as the ultimate test,
Take a sample of tested tren ace raws. Assuming the purity is non-ideal, run it through one pass of recrystallization using dehydrated lab-grade acetone. You will cold crash this very, very, very, very slowly. I'm talking this will take a process of maybe two days. The slower the better ( we want dramatic differences so this matter) recover the crystals. Vaccume chamber them to extract any lingering solvents
Store it in a amber vial and send it to Jano. Perform a nitrogen flush inside that vial. That way during transit we have no possible way of oxygen or light degrading it in transit to Jano on an airplane.
This will show the differences we are talking about with data.
Actually, if we really want to be anal about it, we should use analytical grade acetone, which is prohibitively expensive, but if we're wanting the best data possible, perhaps that would be the path forward.
We should have a bad sample. One that darker than ideal. GSMS test it. Then we should also acquire samples that look closer to ideal. GSMS test that too
These samples should contain the exact same oil, ideally. Preferably from the same brand. Same manufacturer. We have to rule out all the other variables.
Finally, as the ultimate test,
Take a sample of tested tren ace raws. Assuming the purity is non-ideal, run it through one pass of recrystallization using dehydrated lab-grade acetone. You will cold crash this very, very, very, very slowly. I'm talking this will take a process of maybe two days. The slower the better ( we want dramatic differences so this matter) recover the crystals. Vaccume chamber them to extract any lingering solvents
Store it in a amber vial and send it to Jano. Perform a nitrogen flush inside that vial. That way during transit we have no possible way of oxygen or light degrading it in transit to Jano on an airplane.
This will show the differences we are talking about with data.
Actually, if we really want to be anal about it, we should use analytical grade acetone, which is prohibitively expensive, but if we're wanting the best data possible, perhaps that would be the path forward.
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