Which Steroids are the easiest on YOUR Lipids? (Poll)

[RockyP]

I think he's probably right and you'll be good on the other side of the weight loss. Even though Pita boosts ApoA-I and HDL quite a bit more, Crestor lowers LDL more, so it's not worth bothering to switch if you're not having muscle related sides, which is that main reason Pitavastatin exists, for statin intolerant patients.

Thank you - and I'm also only on 5 mg Crestor - so I could always bump that up if the HDL is recalcitrant and I need to drive the LDL lower.

 

[Type-IIx]

Nandrolone’s the actual answer for everyone not just me, at a biologically equivalent dose (comparing apples vs apples)

 

[Jky3rd]

Nandrolone. Easy. Doesn't touch lipids at reasonable loadings for me.

Stay away from primo/mast if you value endothelium. Estradiol is important.

Looking forward to trying tren A....

Im also interested in micro dosing tren A

 

[SenorSuperdrol]

Nandrolone for me.

I also take a statin, because common sense. So my lipids are always perfect.

 

[RockyP]

Nandrolone’s the actual answer for everyone not just me, at a biologically equivalent dose (comparing apples vs apples)

I think I've decided to reduce my test to 200 and add 100 mg nandrolone, just deciding on deca vs NPP.

 

[NotHuman]

Nandrolone’s the actual answer for everyone not just me, at a biologically equivalent dose (comparing apples vs apples)

This. Never gone above 200mg but deca doesn’t do anything noteworthy to my lipids.

However, a low dose statin and ezetimibe overpower LDL increases from steroids pretty easily, so that’s a simple solution. HDL will lower regardless but it’s likely not a huge deal, especially if only temporary.

 

[RockyP]

Nandrolone’s the actual answer for everyone not just me, at a biologically equivalent dose (comparing apples vs apples)

Thank you - To be sure I am understanding this correctly - nandrolone is even easier on lipids than (extra) testosterone, mg per mg? So for example, on paper, if one were to run 300 mg total per week, a cycle of 100 test / 200 nandrolone would have a gentler impact on lipids than 200 test / 100 nandrolone (assuming no AI usage on the higher test)?

 

[RockyP]

I'd really like to hear from the folks who voted for Primo / Mast. I know there are a lot of top competitors (John Jewett, James Hollingshead come to mind) who love running high dose test with some amount of primo and / or Masteron. I know they are very much aware of their bloodwork and are not reckless, so there must be something there. Is the HDL impact of these compounds unique to them or solely secondary to their impact on E2? Perhaps these guys have figured out the ratio of test to Primo / Mast that works for them that does not crash their E2 and perhaps thus mitigates the HDL lowering effects?

Anyone with experience please share. I know many of us have had HDL plummet on even small doses of these compounds, but I would like to learn more from others' experiences. Perhaps the test doses were too low / E2 was too low --> HDL crash? I for one ran test 200 and primo 150 and my E2 was in the 20's (I felt it - I prefer to run in the mid / high 40's) and my HDL was 30. I could have added some more test and re-checked but I just dumped the primo.

 

[Nidus]

I'd really like to hear from the folks who voted for Primo / Mast. I know there are a lot of top competitors (John Jewett, James Hollingshead come to mind) who love running high dose test with some amount of primo and / or Masteron. I know they are very much aware of their bloodwork and are not reckless, so there must be something there. Is the HDL impact of these compounds unique to them or solely secondary to their impact on E2? Perhaps these guys have figured out the ratio of test to Primo / Mast that works for them that does not crash their E2 and perhaps thus mitigates the HDL lowering effects?

Anyone with experience please share. I know many of us have had HDL plummet on even small doses of these compounds, but I would like to learn more from others' experiences. Perhaps the test doses were too low / E2 was too low --> HDL crash? I for one ran test 200 and primo 150 and my E2 was in the 20's (I felt it - I prefer to run in the mid / high 40's) and my HDL was 30. I could have added some more test and re-checked but I just dumped the primo.

In my own experience keeping primo around 200-250 just for E2 control works perfect, 300-400mg is borderline but at 500mg and higher it freaking nukes my lipids. The hardest impact on my lipids had mast, even at 100-150mg a week it totally fucked my lipids, ldl went through the ceiling.

Now sitting at 250mg of primo a week and got ezemtibe + bempoic acid and my lipids look really good


High Test high DHT for a cycle defo works but i wouldnt run it long term, i'd always would opt for the idea of running the lowest amount of primo needed to keep E2 in check unless you are blessed by the genetic gods for lipids

 

[RockyP]

In my own experience keeping primo around 200-250 just for E2 control works perfect, 300-400mg is borderline but at 500mg and higher it freaking nukes my lipids. The hardest impact on my lipids had mast, even at 100-150mg a week it totally fucked my lipids, ldl went through the ceiling.

Now sitting at 250mg of primo a week and got ezemtibe + bempoic acid and my lipids look really good


High Test high DHT for a cycle defo works but i wouldnt run it long term, i'd always would opt for the idea of running the lowest amount of primo needed to keep E2 in check unless you are blessed by the genetic gods for lipids

Thanks so much for your insight. I'm considering running Axle's PrimoTest 250, perhaps 1 - 1.25 cc per week, after my current NPP run completes. I'm cutting weight and i'm on Tirz so I think my HDL will rise just from that, but I also bumped my Crestor to 10 mg to try to get my LDL as low as humanly possible. If I do run the PrimoTest I will get baseline labs and also after 4 weeks or so.

Were you running a statin with your Masteron? I'm guessing no?

 

[Nidus]

Thanks so much for your insight. I'm considering running Axle's PrimoTest 250, perhaps 1 - 1.25 cc per week, after my current NPP run completes. I'm cutting weight and i'm on Tirz so I think my HDL will rise just from that, but I also bumped my Crestor to 10 mg to try to get my LDL as low as humanly possible. If I do run the PrimoTest I will get baseline labs and also after 4 weeks or so.

Were you running a statin with your Masteron? I'm guessing no?

No statin with the masteron but once it was out my lipids improved within 4 weeks drastically

Also recently had a gym buddy coming of masteron, he had 500 test 300 mast 150 deca

His LDL went from 133 to 35 after stopping mast and pulling bloods 5 weeks later

 

[RockyP]

No statin with the masteron but once it was out my lipids improved within 4 weeks drastically

Also recently had a gym buddy coming of masteron, he had 500 test 300 mast 150 deca

His LDL went from 133 to 35 after stopping mast and pulling bloods 5 weeks later

That's a very nice cycle indeed. I'm sure he enjoyed it. Yeah I think for the young men out there running Mast for short stints and eating clean they likely don't need a statin. For an old fart like myself if I run Mast it will be at homeopathic dosages with a sledge hammer dose of Statin.

 

[Nidus]

That's a very nice cycle indeed. I'm sure he enjoyed it. Yeah I think for the young men out there running Mast for short stints and eating clean they likely don't need a statin. For an old fart like myself if I run Mast it will be at homeopathic dosages with a sledge hammer dose of Statin.

I love using Primo at low doses for my cruise, primo makes me feel more calm, peaceful and laid back in a way plus it keeps my e2 in control perfectly

 

[RockyP]

It just occurred to me that perhaps for a few of the folks who say primo wrecked their lipids even at low dosages perhaps had fake primo (Masteron)? I recently consulted with a coach (former pro) who used primo for over a decade and said the impact on his bloods was minimal even at 600+ weekly. He did say that masteron was far more impactful on the lipids.

 

[Zc7219]

It just occurred to me that perhaps for a few of the folks who say primo wrecked their lipids even at low dosages perhaps had fake primo (Masteron)? I recently consulted with a coach (former pro) who used primo for over a decade and said the impact on his bloods was minimal even at 600+ weekly. He did say that masteron was far more impactful on the lipids.

Nah buddy. Primo hits mine harder than tren/Winstrol together.

 

[RockyP]

Nah buddy. Primo hits mine harder than tren/Winstrol together.

Tren doesn't do anything to my lipids. I dont use orals but I'm sure Winstrol would be awful.

 

[initialize]

Been on a cycle of 800mg test, 400mg primo for about 3 months now and just added tren a 50 EOD 2 weeks ago. Got my bloodwork last week and hdl is low 20s. Luckily I only have a few weeks left of the cycle

 

[RockyP]

Just as an update - my HDL bounced back after stopping arimidex. Go figure. Decided to throw 150 primo in for E2 control. If it’s a disaster even at that low of a dose I can write it off. Also switched rosuva to pitavastatin. Turns out listening to the HRT doc is bad for your lipids. Pulling labs in a month to see what’s what.

 

[Ateam2023]

I bet you'll like it, at least for the first few weeks. While nand is instant depression for me, turns out tren A is a much smoother ride until sleep starts to get seriously disturbed and night sweats creep in around week 3-4.

have you tried adding mast to your npp cycle? It really worked for me to combat the npp blues, ,

 

[RockyP]

have you tried adding mast to your npp cycle? It really worked for me to combat the npp blues, ,

Test 200-300, 150 each of mast / NPP is very nice indeed. Can adjust up as needed but those ratios worked nicely for me.