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dick_starbuck
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The best way to use them, without them canceling each other out, is to toss them immediately into the garbage.
Just use HGH.
Just use HGH.
I have plenty hgh, I take 4ius every morning, so if you have any useful advice that’d be appreciated, but seems you’re more interested in trolling
adrenalytic
Member
He's basically saying those peptides do nothing and you've wasted your money which is pretty useful advice imo. It may not look like it now since you've already ponied up the cash but at least you'll know going forward.
dick_starbuck
Member
Thank you, this is exactly what was intended.
dick_starbuck
Member
If you have plenty of GH then up your dose. Youll get more downstream IGF-1 and MGF, the downstream by products of HGH.
IGF-1 LR3 is not increlex, it doesnt do anything worthwhile. It MIGHT if youre using 300mcg - 1mg daily according to some users here who I trust.
Dont waste money on YouTube influencer nonsense. Just stick to the stuff we know works.
Deadpool99
Member
I am honestly interested in it due to its insulin mimetic properties and ability to increase insulin sensitivity to control BG further.
dick_starbuck
Member
If you are having trouble controlling BG, IGF-1 LR3 is the last thing you should consider.
The GLP-1 drug class is where you should be looking. Specifically tirz/reta.
Deadpool99
Member
Yeah, at 8-10ius I got my reta/gda/metormin/SLGT2. But want to test out igf-1. I am skeptical about how good it will be but I source it cheap from china, so not going to be sad about the money part.
dick_starbuck
Member
I think right now Lobster has the best deal on it mg per dollar. I have two kits of it im going to use in the off season at a higher dose. See what its capable of.
Ive used it previously at 100mcg daily and didnt notice much of anything.
You need all that for glucose control on 10iu? How are you dosing it? What is your body composition like?
Deadpool99
Member
6 foot, 205lbs around 12-13% bf. Rn not needing it, but trying it nonetheless incase I ever go higher. Dropped it to 8ius, split into 4IUs AM fasted, 4IUs pre bed (4 hours post meal w/ taking metoformin and my gda) when BG is back to baseline for optimal fat loss . BG is under control, just added in the SLGT2 today while lowering my metformin dose. I'm testing various things out to see the best combo. Used to rely heavily on metformin alone which was a bad thing.
Deadpool99
Member
I noticed it while I was on PCT, earlier this yr I was doing a PCT and still hadn't used HGH. Was on mk677/tesa/ipa/cjc/igf-1. When I stopped cycling my 60mcg IGF-1 I did notice it. then when I stoped all my GH secretagogues and hopped back on gear, my folks convinced me to go on HGH and no regrets ever since.
But I am also open to it being a placebo since I was on a PCT. The PCT could easily be the reason why I noticed less performance.
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dick_starbuck
Member
PCT? Never heard of it.
Anyway, yeah youre doing alot of things. I think youre probably doing... too many things. We are almost the same weight and I'm 5'7 and in much leaner than 12-13% bf. The more lean mass you have the better you'll be able to handle higher doses of GH and gear in general.
Not talking shit by any means. Im just saying... dont over complicate things and just stick to the basics and maybe less gear/GH till you've got a bit more lean mass.
You shouldn't need all that to manage blood glucose unless you're got some predisposition for diabetes in your family etc.
Anyway, yeah youre doing alot of things. I think youre probably doing... too many things. We are almost the same weight and I'm 5'7 and in much leaner than 12-13% bf. The more lean mass you have the better you'll be able to handle higher doses of GH and gear in general.
Not talking shit by any means. Im just saying... dont over complicate things and just stick to the basics and maybe less gear/GH till you've got a bit more lean mass.
You shouldn't need all that to manage blood glucose unless you're got some predisposition for diabetes in your family etc.
AlexDavis43
Member
I'm still running LR3 0.5 mg/d and in my experience: can't beat the 24/7 muscle fullness; and way better pumps than I got from any boner pills
Agree, better overall decision, although I'm less interested in the "anti-aging" and lipolytic effects of GH than I am of the muscle fullness rn, so more of an IGF1 thing
AlexDavis43
Member
TypeIIx has commented on the potential hypoglycemic effects of LR3 but I never experienced them personally
dick_starbuck
Member
Youre the reason I bought 2 kits of it to try this off season. If its good at those doses, ill accept it was wrong about it PARTLY haha.
Deadpool99
Member
I am running high dose of Tren (600mg) so that Impairs GLUT4 Translocation and also causes my liver to flood the bloodstream with glucose when in a fasted state. So that also plays a big role in increasing my BG.
Don't worry my bloodwork is pretty fucking sexy on tren. I get no sides from gear except that slight water retention from HGH + that excess skin from being obese.
I say I'm 12-13% bf but I got excess skin in my abdomen and some water retention, pre-HGH I was about to hit 10%. And then I took HGH and did a cut for 8 weeks, which would put me in around 9% bf. My water weight masks my bf in my midsection but my legs and back confirm I'm around 9-10% bf but I always overestimate it.
Proud Pangolin
Member
I might just chip in here: did anybody try igf-1 DES? For local growth? Like getting bigger sidedelts?
Deadpool99
Member
I was thinking of a plan and wanted to hear ur guy's thoughts. So I've been researching and the safety limit for lr3 is 3 times per yr to avoid IR/Organ growth/cancer signaling/ and receptor desensitization. So since DES work by a different pathway and doesn't impact IR and is shorter half life I can do this instead:
6 Weeks LR3 → 2 week break → 6 Weeks DES → 2 week break → repeat. Thus I can have a cycle where it's fully systemic and helps with my BG on HGH, and another cycle where I can focus on localized muscle growth (ofc gonna focus on my arms/shoulder duh). It sound pretty solid in theory.
I also used to see ppl do IM injection for DES but my research suggests Subq near the target muscle works but I was skeptical that subq near a muscle would actually target it.
