What is your opinion on Vigorous Steve?

[verylargeshoes]

I do not understand why there is all this hate when the people who go into such depth of things are extremely few.

He’s definitely cocky now, and there’s a trend towards getting more and more addicted to sniffing his own farts, but I can’t think of anybody from whom I’ve learned more about anabolic pharmacy and staying healthy while indulging in it.

Living in Thailand, with access to OTC pharmacy steroids, he can’t really speak much to the experience of sourcing and testing in a different legal environment. And he can take stances like “pharma only” and “only Test and Primo and GH” that are too absolute. But he backs his opinions up with the best available information. His discussions on ancillaries and support medications are very applicable.

A lot of the same information is available here if you spend all day reading, and learning who to trust, plus doing a hell of a lot of your own research and experimentation. But he packs days of reading and research into well-produced packages of 20-60 minutes that n00bs like me can benefit from. The community would be a lot poorer if we didn’t have him.

 

[verylargeshoes]

Also says his focus in med school was neurosurgery

I can’t think of any more terrifying scenario than Dr. Todd operating on my brain.

Anyway, I don’t think he’s tall enough to reach a patient lying on a regular sized operating table.

 

[hexagonal]

I like Dr Dean, he knows his stuff but hardly has the most impressive physique to go with it

I've found it hard to take Dr. Dean seriously after seeing him spend half an hour going on about protecting ourselves from EMF fields.

 

[AlexDavis43]

I've found it hard to take Dr. Dean seriously after seeing him spend half an hour going on about protecting ourselves from EMF fields.

nnEMF is all the rage every few years

Especially when it starts popping on social media and it's the first time a new influencer learns about it; think they made some novel discovery

A few years ago some entrepreneur drank all the Kool-Aid and started selling nnEMF-proof underwear

 

[IndividualMan]

but i like it when the electromagnetic field tickles my nuts

 

[verylargeshoes]

I've found it hard to take Dr. Dean seriously after seeing him spend half an hour going on about protecting ourselves from EMF fields.

Wow, that is disappointing. He seemed fairly sane. Was he selling magic bracelets or something?

 

[SnowyMiami]

I've found it hard to take Dr. Dean seriously after seeing him spend half an hour going on about protecting ourselves from EMF fields.

He also looks like a bobblehead.

 

[Bandern]

I've found it hard to take Dr. Dean seriously after seeing him spend half an hour going on about protecting ourselves from EMF fields.

This is actually kinda endearing. It’s all over my head, but hearing him talk about how my phones Bluetooth is making the dog gay or whatever sounds way more entertaining than mitochondrial function

 

[hexagonal]

Wow, that is disappointing. He seemed fairly sane. Was he selling magic bracelets or something?

He wasn't selling anything, but it came up a few times during a podcast with Nyle Nayga and he talked about putting shit on his phone and a grounding mat under his keyboard and such.

He was referencing inflammation and other stuff, and to be fair, there is some science behind it... but the studies required the EMF be strong enough that it was literally heating up the tissue, too.

 

[Owenklein78]

Todd Lee. Kurt Havens. Dr. Dean. 3 solid guys to listen to when it comes to AAS advice/knowledge

Todd Lee says a bunch of dumb stuff

 

[Jaxino]

I hold Steve in high regard, and I was fortunate enough to be coached by him prior to the outbreak of the first wave of COVID-19.


At the time, the protocol was straightforward yet highly effective: Testosterone Enanthate, Human Growth Hormone, Lantus, Humalog, and Anadrol introduced during the final 2–4 weeks of each mesocycle.

The dietary plans were both enjoyable and easy to adhere to — a rare combination that made consistency almost effortless.

He also prescribed a substantial regimen of supplements, primarily consisting of vitamins, iron, CoQ10, and various other health-supporting compounds.

The results were exceptional — the kind of gains one rarely experiences — but, regrettably, I was too entrenched in the GH15 mindset back then.
When the pandemic hit, I decided to part ways with him.
Admittedly, the cost of coaching was quite significant as well.

That being said, he remains fundamentally the same individual.
However, these days, many of his protocols rely on what I would consider conservative or underwhelming dosages.

For instance, I tested the 150mg Mirabegron + 40mcg Clenbuterol protocol for three months, only to find it largely ineffective — a poor return on investment.
I reverted to my usual 80mcg of Clen daily, and fat loss once again became effortless.

In my opinion, he is currently the most credible influencer in the field, but it’s imperative to approach his advice with discernment.
Much like with AI systems (ChatGPT included), they are not there to think for you — they are tools to be guided by those who already possess a foundational understanding and know how to ask the right questions.

 

[FR384]

Some of his stuff is good, some is OK, some times he is just a shill... I don't find him much different from most influencer's. Take the good bits, leave the shill bits.

 

[Texharjim]

I like him. He seems intelligent and knowledgeable.
He's a little bit arrogant and sometimes a jerk but i figure its just roid rage.
Overall I think he's trying to do good.

 

[Owenklein78]

I hold Steve in high regard, and I was fortunate enough to be coached by him prior to the outbreak of the first wave of COVID-19.


At the time, the protocol was straightforward yet highly effective: Testosterone Enanthate, Human Growth Hormone, Lantus, Humalog, and Anadrol introduced during the final 2–4 weeks of each mesocycle.

The dietary plans were both enjoyable and easy to adhere to — a rare combination that made consistency almost effortless.

He also prescribed a substantial regimen of supplements, primarily consisting of vitamins, iron, CoQ10, and various other health-supporting compounds.

The results were exceptional — the kind of gains one rarely experiences — but, regrettably, I was too entrenched in the GH15 mindset back then.
When the pandemic hit, I decided to part ways with him.
Admittedly, the cost of coaching was quite significant as well.

That being said, he remains fundamentally the same individual.
However, these days, many of his protocols rely on what I would consider conservative or underwhelming dosages.

For instance, I tested the 150mg Mirabegron + 40mcg Clenbuterol protocol for three months, only to find it largely ineffective — a poor return on investment.
I reverted to my usual 80mcg of Clen daily, and fat loss once again became effortless.

In my opinion, he is currently the most credible influencer in the field, but it’s imperative to approach his advice with discernment.
Much like with AI systems (ChatGPT included), they are not there to think for you — they are tools to be guided by those who already possess a foundational understanding and know how to ask the right questions.

I greatly appreciate Steve for changing my perspective on longevity and bodybuilding and I created my entire OTC supplement stack based off his advice and tweaked it further since then based off bloodwork and dietary changes. As well as other lifestyle habits that have greatly increased gains and overall health. ever since then, I’ve seen such an amazing improvement on bloodwork.

 

[AlexDavis43]

Overall I think he's trying to do good.

nah bro he's trying to make youtube ad revenue

 

[Eddie.]

nah bro he's trying to make youtube ad revenue

He makes it so obvious all he cares about is money and people still believe he does it for the sake of "community"..right.

 

[Tdeck81]

Not sure if this will be unpopular or not but I like the information access provided by the YouTubers. I’m old enough, wise enough, that I don’t automatically drink the Kool Aid but utilize multiple sources, especially medical publications/studies, when possible.

I have like 3 or 4 popular sources i draw from to begin to understand some of the nuances of a topic. Once I think I have a general grasp, I look at the studies myself and ask questions, start threads here.

These guys are definitely motivated by the financial incentives. But then again anyone willing to create content or reply to threads is motivated by something. It’s the viewers responsibility to vett the information

 

[Ryobi]

Is Steve the holly god of steroid knowladge or just a random dude japping horse cocks?

Interested what meso members think about his content.

Hi Steve

 

[verylargeshoes]

I bet we can all agree that Steve seems to give fewer and fewer fucks about what People on the Internet think about him, and that his entourage probably gives him all the ego stroking a man could ever want.

 

[Wizbang]

You have to look past alot of hype with him, there is some good information mixed in but i get tired of the "I'm pumping a combination of increlex and a bunch of stuff normies cant get access to and ive never been leaner/stronger/faster/growing more" or "the new peptide you didn't know you need until I told you about this singular study that hasn't been repeated in any demonstrable way". I guess that's all part of the gig and I also guess people wouldn't be as interested in just information. That's show biz.