Injecting raw powder fillers (silica dioxide) 1 injection - liver damage one year later

[readalot]

About fillers, silicone dioxide was ONE exampel, as its the most common used filler. So for you to say there is NONE in raws are naive and plain dumb

Yes so i dont know if they responded to whats contained in the peptides as everyone know they got manitol. but as i asked about SSAs raws n got the same respons. either way, still a better anti calking agent then silicone. one of the raw vendors i buy from uses taurine instead of wood fiber/silica, seem to work just as well, plus non toxic

My point with this thread is to ask the vendor you are buying from what filler it contains, if you are one of those that gonna homebrew and sell it to others

As most people buying raws just think it just contains the chemical they orderd, its good to know that it most likely contain fillers as well. not every vendor but alot of the manufactures do this

So the thread was just a warning to keep your eyes open and ask

I appreciate your effort here. Important to contrast the quality of the raws from 9 months ago vs the fraudulent raws laced with whatever that are popping up now as Jano mentioned.

Raw material quality / purity is always important. I just dont see any measurable Si in the decent raws tested months ago. Feel free to confirm with Jano.

Some of the stuff being put on the market today is fraudulent. That should be the message imo.

 

[Stealth500]

Some of the stuff being put on the market today is fraudulent. That should be the message.

nonsense like this horse shit thread distracts from actual harm reduction with retardation.

This is like making a thread saying

"formaldehyde!!! OMG formaldehyde
Did you know formaldehyde is a carcinogenic substance used to preserve things. These companies are UGLs so they are definitely using formaldehyde! you are all going to get cancer."

 

[Mariafitness]

there are little to no fillers in raw AAS powders, most of the impurities are reagents that were not flushed out.
if they had fillers in them, you would notice immediately when brewing, or even with melting point tests. anything with strange amounts of mp less.fillers would also show up on mass spec, gas chromatography or similar testing methods. if you bought raws containing silica, you got fucked by your vendor. simple as. no normal raws contain any fillers, especially none to make the powder "prettier" or clu

if you believe vendors would make your raws unusable just so they look pretty during the week you store them before brewing you gotta be a special kind of retard.
Maybe a bad vendor cuts them with some stuff, but not to make them look pretty.

The mass spec vendors use are fake. They do not analyze every batch so i would not take that as a evidence for not using fillers. most of the vendors dont even know its contained until you ask them to ask the manufacture they resell from

What you write about smoking point is true but at the same time non of us know how silicon dioxide looks when dissolved by heat. if it was wood fiber it most likely show

Alot of you dosent seem to get my point, why would a vendor think silicone dioxide makes the product unusable? its just in the past few years people are learning that its toxic and supplement companies aka raw manufactures in china have started to reducing the amount.

If you looked at any raw powder/supplement on iherb/amazon/bulkpowder they all contained silica just 5 years ago

Nobody in AAS production is complaining about this so why would they remove it for AAS? As nobody tought it was toxic so why do it matter

Just like 5 years ago nobody tought solvents were the biggest issue with AAS but the steroid itself, but constant repeated injections with grams of solvets destroying muscle tissue and create whole body inflammation n atrophy by rotting the bodyparts is wayy worse then the steroid itself it seems like. still to this day only vigiroussteve talk about solvents, no other coach. will prob need another 5 years to be well known

Fillers in raws could be a similar issue

 

[CharlesV]

what set you off on this? where did you hear that AAS raws contain anti clumping agents? have you ever actually worked with raws?

you are telling me that my EQ raws, that have always arrived as a melted liquid in the summer needs an anti clumping agent?

they are all by large stable powders. they don’t need anti clumping agents.

 

[bubba618]

Fillers in raws could be a similar issue

Bodybuilders might have injecting themself with this for decades

Sounds like a lot of mental masturbation with no evidence supporting your conjecture.

Present some test results that show the kind of contamination you're speaking of, and we can begin a discussion.

 

[CharlesV]

Present some test results that show the kind of contamination you're speaking of, and we can begin a discussion.

this. full stop.

 

[BamaCrazy]

The mass spec vendors use are fake. They do not analyze every batch so i would not take that as a evidence for not using fillers. most of the vendors dont even know its contained until you ask them to ask the manufacture they resell from

What you write about smoking point is true but at the same time non of us know how silicon dioxide looks when dissolved by heat. if it was wood fiber it most likely show

Alot of you dosent seem to get my point, why would a vendor think silicone dioxide makes the product unusable? its just in the past few years people are learning that its toxic and supplement companies aka raw manufactures in china have started to reducing the amount.

If you looked at any raw powder/supplement on iherb/amazon/bulkpowder they all contained silica just 5 years ago

Nobody in AAS production is complaining about this so why would they remove it for AAS? As nobody tought it was toxic so why do it matter

Just like 5 years ago nobody tought solvents were the biggest issue with AAS but the steroid itself, but constant repeated injections with grams of solvets destroying muscle tissue and create whole body inflammation n atrophy by rotting the bodyparts is wayy worse then the steroid itself it seems like. still to this day only vigiroussteve talk about solvents, no other coach. will prob need another 5 years to be well known

Fillers in raws could be a similar issue

You are just making shit up. Please stop. There are enough members here floating hypotheticals daily to get everyone spun up. What you are doing is worse. You are claiming things that you have no proof of. And when confronted by members who have purchased, tested, brewed and used these raws, telling you that you are incorrect, you continue to ignore and go forward with your zero evidence claims. There are, and never were silicone dioxide in raws.

 

[eery]

but.. there isnt silica in the raws people use.

Dietary supplements that you buy on iherb cant be compared to raw API.. and if you are stupid enough to not make sure the raws you use are clean, thats a you problem.

If someone is dumb enough to brew something with powders that arent pure and contain fillers, let nature sort them out.


You are chasing a lost cause with these arguments.

 

[IndividualMan]

OP is massively retarded and has never handled raws, much less done mass spec at a local Uni on them, or even outsourced testing to janoshik.

Reminds me of when i did some research chems and went into what was described to me as mild psychosis by those who witnessed it, i was convinced "they" put something poisonous into the dough used for making the american wonderbread toast stuff and freaked out big time.

 

[Ghoul]

You are just making shit up. Please stop. There are enough members here floating hypotheticals daily to get everyone spun up. What you are doing is worse. You are claiming things that you have no proof of. And when confronted by members who have purchased, tested, brewed and used these raws, telling you that you are incorrect, you continue to ignore and go forward with your zero evidence claims. There are, and never were silicone dioxide in raws.

Weighing a thousand hypothetical risks is preferable to believing in the hypothetical safety of Chinese UGL produced drugs.

 

[CharlesV]

Maria was the same one that tried to nail Lobster’s ass to the wall for doubling or tripling his price on growth…

…not understanding that there was a price difference between 110iu kits and 310iu kits.

he doubled down in the face of his error there too. he’s committed to his craft if nothing else.

 

[BamaCrazy]

Weighing a thousand hypothetical risks is preferable to believing in the hypothetical safety of Chinese UGL produced drugs.

You live in a fantasy world where there are dangers everywhere. Everyone else here without a stick up their butt will be fine without your hypotheticals.

 

[Den84]

Injecting steroids contaminated with silicon dioxide causes serious inflammatory reactions (tissue necrosis, abscesses, fibrosis, etc.) because it is not soluble and cannot be metabolized by muscle tissue.

How many of us have had these reactions after AAS injections? I think no one

this is proof that you are making a paranoid mental movie

 

[bubba618]

Weighing a thousand hypothetical risks is preferable to believing in the hypothetical safety of Chinese UGL produced drugs.

To a degree, yes. The problem comes when the myriads of hypotheticals detract from addressing known issues or issues with some evidence which needs further investigation.

OP asks us to consider that something might have occurred or still be occurring without having a single test to substantiate their hypothesis that UGL AAS raw powders contain silicon dioxide. This is a testable hypothesis, and I would say that only if silicon dioxide were found in tested samples of UGL AAS raw powders would this conversation need carried forward.

Perhaps OP cannot afford or perhaps is unwilling to spend the money for said testing. I don't think they said one way or the other.

 

[readalot]

To a degree, yes. The problem comes when the myriads of hypotheticals detract from addressing known issues or issues with some evidence which needs further investigation.

OP asks us to consider that something might have occurred or still be occurring without having a single test to substantiate their hypothesis that UGL AAS raw powders contain silicon dioxide. This is a testable hypothesis, and I would say that only if silicon dioxide were found in tested samples of UGL AAS raw powders would this conversation need carried forward.

Perhaps OP cannot afford or perhaps is unwilling to spend the money for said testing. I don't think they said one way or the other.

Si signal on the raws tested was at or below LOD.

 

[Slowww]

Isn’t this issue entirely voided by testing lmfao? This would be very obvious if it were widespread because testing would indicate the contents of the powders.

“One injection can cause liver damage a year later”
Crazy this has never happened to me over a couple years of home brewing tren. Crazy it also didn’t happen with a year of pinning home brewed test propionate every single day. Liver damage and necrosis should’ve happened by now. I should probably be dead.

everybody is crazy except you! We’re probably coconspirators working together with BIG SILICA

 

[Stealth500]

since we are fabricating hypotheses here's one.

OP contracts hepatitis from his boyfriend who throws the blame on his peptide usage.

AI should be used only for entertainment.. allow me to demonstrate.

"
A Cautionary Tale of Deceit


In a dimly lit apartment, the tension crackled like static. Mariafitness, the honest one, paced back and forth, his heart heavy with betrayal.


Jordan leaned against the wall, arms crossed, a smirk playing on his lips. “Come on, Maria. It’s probably just the silicon dioxide from your peptides that gave you hepatitis. You know how these things work.”


“Silicon dioxide? Really? Those peptides don’t even contain that!” Maria shot back, his voice rising. “You’re just trying to deflect blame. I trusted you!”


Jordan shrugged, feigning indifference. “Maybe you should’ve thought twice before getting tested. It’s not my fault you’re so paranoid.”


The argument spiraled, each word a dagger, revealing the cracks in their relationship. Maria felt the weight of truth pressing down on him, realizing that love built on lies was a fragile facade.


To remove oneself from toxic relationships like this, it’s essential to:


Recognize Red Flags: Be aware of dishonesty and manipulation. Trust your instincts.


Communicate Openly: Address concerns directly and honestly. Healthy relationships thrive on transparency.


Set Boundaries: Know your limits and enforce them. Don’t tolerate disrespect or deceit.


Seek Support: Talk to friends or professionals who can provide perspective and guidance.


Prioritize Self-Care: Focus on your well-being. Sometimes, stepping away is the best choice for your mental health.


By taking these steps, individuals can protect themselves from the dangers of deceitful relationships and foster healthier connections."

 

[readalot]

since we are fabricating hypotheses here's one.

OP contracts hepatitis from his boyfriend who throws the blame on his peptide usage.

AI should be used only for entertainment.. allow me to demonstrate.

"
A Cautionary Tale of Deceit


In a dimly lit apartment, the tension crackled like static. Mariafitness, the honest one, paced back and forth, his heart heavy with betrayal.


Jordan leaned against the wall, arms crossed, a smirk playing on his lips. “Come on, Maria. It’s probably just the silicon dioxide from your peptides that gave you hepatitis. You know how these things work.”


“Silicon dioxide? Really? Those peptides don’t even contain that!” Maria shot back, his voice rising. “You’re just trying to deflect blame. I trusted you!”


Jordan shrugged, feigning indifference. “Maybe you should’ve thought twice before getting tested. It’s not my fault you’re so paranoid.”


The argument spiraled, each word a dagger, revealing the cracks in their relationship. Maria felt the weight of truth pressing down on him, realizing that love built on lies was a fragile facade.


To remove oneself from toxic relationships like this, it’s essential to:


Recognize Red Flags: Be aware of dishonesty and manipulation. Trust your instincts.


Communicate Openly: Address concerns directly and honestly. Healthy relationships thrive on transparency.


Set Boundaries: Know your limits and enforce them. Don’t tolerate disrespect or deceit.


Seek Support: Talk to friends or professionals who can provide perspective and guidance.


Prioritize Self-Care: Focus on your well-being. Sometimes, stepping away is the best choice for your mental health.


By taking these steps, individuals can protect themselves from the dangers of deceitful relationships and foster healthier connections."

To be fair, I am pretty sure you can get HPV from UG GH.

Edit: I really don't know this. Maybe make it worse?

 

[BamaCrazy]

To be fair, I am pretty sure you can get HPV from UG GH.

Oh no. Here we go again.

 

[readalot]

Oh no. Here we go again.

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