Injecting raw powder fillers (silica dioxide) 1 injection - liver damage one year later

Hi, a issue ive been looking at as im about to try homebrew some vitamins. i also realized this issue are in aas raws as well

When we buy supplements on amazon/iherb, many of them contain silica dioxide, wich is a anti calking agent manufacture use
in order to get the powder not to clump. The last few years people have realized this agent is very toxic and alot of vendor have stopped
using it and write specifically on the add "without silica dioxide"

My issue: if this is toxic just to swallow. i would think injecting grams of raws every week that contains this. I think we should make a demand
to the vendors that we will not order if this agent is used in raws. I asked Jano if he have seen this in the products he analyze, waiting for awenser

Also asked SSA if they use this in there products, no respons yet.

One injection was enought to create liver damage one year later. when swallowed it ruins the gut brain axel and create neuroinflammation


"No significant changes were noted in post necropsy examination of internal organs and organ-to-body weight ratio. However, microscopic examination revealed significant amount of liver inflammation and aggregates of histocytes with neutrophils within the spleen suggesting an ongoing or resolving injury. The fast accumulation of these plain SNPs in the liver and spleen upon IV administration and the duration needed for their clearance caused these injuries. There were also subtle changes which were attributed to prior infarctions or resolved intravascular thrombosis and included calcifications in pulmonary vessels, focal cardiac fibrosis with calcifications, and focal renal injury. Most of the pathologic lesions were observed when large, non-porous SNPs were administered."


Bodybuilders might have injecting themself with this for decades
 
Hi, a issue ive been looking at as im about to try homebrew some vitamins. i also realized this issue are in aas raws as well

When we buy supplements on amazon/iherb, many of them contain silica dioxide, wich is a anti calking agent manufacture use
in order to get the powder not to clump. The last few years people have realized this agent is very toxic and alot of vendor have stopped
using it and write specifically on the add "without silica dioxide"

My issue: if this is toxic just to swallow. i would think injecting grams of raws every week that contains this. I think we should make a demand
to the vendors that we will not order if this agent is used in raws. I asked Jano if he have seen this in the products he analyze, waiting for awenser

Also asked SSA if they use this in there products, no respons yet.

One injection was enought to create liver damage one year later. when swallowed it ruins the gut brain axel and create neuroinflammation


"No significant changes were noted in post necropsy examination of internal organs and organ-to-body weight ratio. However, microscopic examination revealed significant amount of liver inflammation and aggregates of histocytes with neutrophils within the spleen suggesting an ongoing or resolving injury. The fast accumulation of these plain SNPs in the liver and spleen upon IV administration and the duration needed for their clearance caused these injuries. There were also subtle changes which were attributed to prior infarctions or resolved intravascular thrombosis and included calcifications in pulmonary vessels, focal cardiac fibrosis with calcifications, and focal renal injury. Most of the pathologic lesions were observed when large, non-porous SNPs were administered."


Bodybuilders might have injecting themself with this for decades
Why would you think that silicon dioxide is in the raws used to brew AAS? It’s not a part of the process at any step.
 
Why would you think that silicon dioxide is in the raws used to brew AAS? It’s not a part of the process at any step.
If you read my post again you will see that companies use this filler to make the powders not clump.

We are not buying pharmacutical grade raws when ordering bulk powders, they are food grade with high purity and companies will add fillers to it. They are not adding it to some and removing it to some cause AAS users will inject it
 
If you read my post again you will see that companies use this filler to make the powders not clump.

We are not buying pharmacutical grade raws when ordering bulk powders, they are food grade with high purity and companies will add fillers to it. They are not adding it to some and removing it to some cause AAS users will inject it
It’s an anti-caking agent used to prevent clumping. When manufacturing raws common fillers and binders include lactose, microcrystalline cellulose, and magnesium stearate. Excipients can include disintegrants, lubricants, and flavoring agents. Nowhere in the manufacturing or brewing process is an anti-caking agent necessary or beneficial. You are inventing nonsense to worry about.

Think of it this way. I do not know much about brewing but I do know that the raws are added to a liquid solution and heated up. Why on earth would anyone care if the raws clump???? It’s going to be dissolved during the brewing process.

More to the point. What gave you the idea that raws might contain silicone dioxide? Can you point to a research paper, a study, a manufacturing process or a brewing process that lists silicone dioxide as an ingredient??
 
It’s an anti-caking agent used to prevent clumping. When manufacturing raws common fillers and binders include lactose, microcrystalline cellulose, and magnesium stearate. Excipients can include disintegrants, lubricants, and flavoring agents. Nowhere in the manufacturing or brewing process is an anti-caking agent necessary or beneficial. You are inventing nonsense to worry about.

Think of it this way. I do not know much about brewing but I do know that the raws are added to a liquid solution and heated up. Why on earth would anyone care if the raws clump???? It’s going to be dissolved during the brewing process.

More to the point. What gave you the idea that raws might contain silicone dioxide? Can you point to a research paper, a study, a manufacturing process or a brewing process that lists silicone dioxide as an ingredient??
Are you arguing that this compound isent used? Its the most common filler tougheter with microcrystaline cellulose (this compound would also be extremely bad to inject as its wood fiber)

Why are you talking about it being put into brewing? the manufacture put it into the powder so it dosent clump BEFORE shipping it out to resellers.

"Silicon dioxide, also known as silica, is commonly used in nutritional supplements as an anti-caking agent, preventing clumping and ensuring the product's flowability."

What the guy with autism dident understand, the guy over you, is that if the powder you buy from bulksupplements, any raw powder seller, any minerals, chemicals, pharmaceuticals, if it DOSENT clump, it contain a filler. As all raws clump

So if you are injecting powder thats food grade and loaded with a filler thats toxic, thats BAD

These powders arent reagents, nor ASC grade, they are food grade, wich uses food grade fillers. But even these grades can contain fillers. Just look at all the mayor chem sites
 
Are you arguing that this compound isent used? Its the most common filler tougheter with microcrystaline cellulose (this compound would also be extremely bad to inject as its wood fiber)

Why are you talking about it being put into brewing? the manufacture put it into the powder so it dosent clump BEFORE shipping it out to resellers.

"Silicon dioxide, also known as silica, is commonly used in nutritional supplements as an anti-caking agent, preventing clumping and ensuring the product's flowability."

What the guy with autism dident understand, the guy over you, is that if the powder you buy from bulksupplements, any raw powder seller, any minerals, chemicals, pharmaceuticals, if it DOSENT clump, it contain a filler. As all raws clump

So if you are injecting powder thats food grade and loaded with a filler thats toxic, thats BAD

These powders arent reagents, nor ASC grade, they are food grade, wich uses food grade fillers. But even these grades can contain fillers. Just look at all the mayor chem sites
Are you dense??? It’s not needed or included in the raws. I’m not arguing that’s it’s not used. I’m telling you that you have no evidence that it’s included in the raws. You are inventing nonsense that even the most naive member here will not believe.

And again, who gives a shit if it clumps before shipping to resellers?? The resellers do not care. The brewers do not care. What real benefit is there to add an anti-caking agent to raws? In my mind clumping would make shipping easier. lol

All fillers are not bad or dangerous. And you have no proof that silicone dioxide is in any AAS raws.

But you go ahead and chase this bone and I will sit back and watch and laugh.
 
they are food grade
I appreciate your interest but I can reasonably assure you the raw AAS APIs sold here and elsewhere on the black market are assuredly not food grade.

Remember, we recently ran metals analysis on quite a few samples.

Not just heavy metals.

 
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Are you dense??? It’s not needed or included in the raws. I’m not arguing that’s it’s not used. I’m telling you that you have no evidence that it’s included in the raws. You are inventing nonsense that even the most naive member here will not believe.

And again, who gives a shit if it clumps before shipping to resellers?? The resellers do not care. The brewers do not care. What real benefit is there to add an anti-caking agent to raws? In my mind clumping would make shipping easier. lol

All fillers are not bad or dangerous. And you have no proof that silicone dioxide is in any AAS raws.

But you go ahead and chase this bone and I will sit back and watch and laugh.
Jesus christ, i made this post to discuss fillers in raws, silicone dioxide is the most common so thats why its written in the post, and is the one thats most likely been used in your products over the years. sure maby something else but you will most likely have injected it. SSA now responded said they use manitol in there raws. thats better

You are looking at this from a much smaller perspective then how buisness work "i dont care about clumping wtf thats stupid" SO WHY DO 50%+ OF ALL SELLERS FILLERS IT IN THE RAWS THEN. its obviously started decades ago with people being pissed over the supplements they buy in bulk clumps tougheter. i see people complaining all the time when they buy creatine n other bulk powders and it clumps. so its obviously something costumers think is negative = manufactures started putting fillers it it

You are not buying chemicals from a manufacture, you are buying from resellers, its moronic to think they would specifically remove fillers just for aas users when all the manufacture for other products demand it

I just hope people realize that if the powder isent clumping, it got fillers, and is MOST LIKELY NOT SAFE TO INJECT. unless you ask the vendor wich filler. as you saw above SSA now responded that they use manitol, wich is on the safe side. the wood fiber and silicone dioxide would not be. So for you to think that you are so lucky that you never had this stuff injected when buying AAS made in a bath tub with ownknow fillers, is dumb

You must be one of those that injected super toxic solvents year after year and still never understood how bad the chronic inflammatory respons is
 
All this and it turns out silicone dioxide is practically insoluble in water and oil. Checkmate.


Look at the PSD. These particles would be neutrally buoyant and not settle for quite a while; easily pass through a 0.2 um filter. From the EDX results it just doesnt appear to be any significant Si contamination in the raws that were tested.

Full disclaimer: Jano and I didn't get into LOD discussion specifically for Si. The data is there for anyone who is interested.
 
Not true as the studies linked did IV injection
Honestly, even IF it was true that silicone dioxide is being used as a filler in AAS and peptides, filtering would totally eliminate any silica from entering the body.

Probably best not to IV any of these drugs anyway...

(EDIT: Im wrong.)
 
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Look at the PSD. These particles would be neutrally buoyant and not settle for quite a while; easily pass through a 0.2 um filter. From the EDX results it just doesnt appear to be any significant Si contamination in the raws that were tested.

Full disclaimer: Jano and I didn't get into LOD discussion specifically for Si. The data is there for anyone who is interested.
Alright then... Pass me my hat im getting hungry.
 
I appreciate your interest but I can reasonably assure you the raw AAS APIs sold here and elsewhere on the black market are assuredly not food grade.

Remember, we recently ran metals analysis on quite a few samples.

If they werent it would be alot more expencive i belive. Great that someone finally did heavy metal testing! as that is a huge issue as well

Even if it turns out the specific vendors you tested used higher quality then food grade, i would not expect that to be common for the rest of the world when it comes to china manufactures
 
Jesus christ, i made this post to discuss fillers in raws, silicone dioxide is the most common so thats why its written in the post, and is the one thats most likely been used in your products over the years. sure maby something else but you will most likely have injected it. SSA now responded said they use manitol in there raws. thats better

You are looking at this from a much smaller perspective then how buisness work "i dont care about clumping wtf thats stupid" SO WHY DO 50%+ OF ALL SELLERS FILLERS IT IN THE RAWS THEN. its obviously started decades ago with people being pissed over the supplements they buy in bulk clumps tougheter. i see people complaining all the time when they buy creatine n other bulk powders and it clumps. so its obviously something costumers think is negative = manufactures started putting fillers it it

You are not buying chemicals from a manufacture, you are buying from resellers, its moronic to think they would specifically remove fillers just for aas users when all the manufacture for other products demand it

I just hope people realize that if the powder isent clumping, it got fillers, and is MOST LIKELY NOT SAFE TO INJECT. unless you ask the vendor wich filler. as you saw above SSA now responded that they use manitol, wich is on the safe side. the wood fiber and silicone dioxide would not be. So for you to think that you are so lucky that you never had this stuff injected when buying AAS made in a bath tub with ownknow fillers, is dumb

You must be one of those that injected super toxic solvents year after year and still never understood how bad the chronic inflammatory respons is
So are you warning everyone about fillers? Or silicone dioxide? Mannitol is not an anti-caking agent. It’s a filler/binder. Your OP was warning everyone about silicone dioxide of which there is NONE in raws. Now you are saying we’ve all been injecting dangerous fillers for years.
 
Jesus christ, i made this post to discuss fillers in raws, silicone dioxide is the most common so thats why its written in the post, and is the one thats most likely been used in your products over the years. sure maby something else but you will most likely have injected it. SSA now responded said they use manitol in there raws. thats better

You are looking at this from a much smaller perspective then how buisness work "i dont care about clumping wtf thats stupid" SO WHY DO 50%+ OF ALL SELLERS FILLERS IT IN THE RAWS THEN. its obviously started decades ago with people being pissed over the supplements they buy in bulk clumps tougheter. i see people complaining all the time when they buy creatine n other bulk powders and it clumps. so its obviously something costumers think is negative = manufactures started putting fillers it it

You are not buying chemicals from a manufacture, you are buying from resellers, its moronic to think they would specifically remove fillers just for aas users when all the manufacture for other products demand it

I just hope people realize that if the powder isent clumping, it got fillers, and is MOST LIKELY NOT SAFE TO INJECT. unless you ask the vendor wich filler. as you saw above SSA now responded that they use manitol, wich is on the safe side. the wood fiber and silicone dioxide would not be. So for you to think that you are so lucky that you never had this stuff injected when buying AAS made in a bath tub with ownknow fillers, is dumb

You must be one of those that injected super toxic solvents year after year and still never understood how bad the chronic inflammatory respons is
there are little to no fillers in raw AAS powders, most of the impurities are reagents that were not flushed out.
if they had fillers in them, you would notice immediately when brewing, or even with melting point tests. anything with strange amounts of fillers would also show up on mass spec, gas chromatography or similar testing methods. if you bought raws containing silica, you got fucked by your vendor. simple as. no normal raws contain any fillers, especially none to make the powder "prettier" or clump less.

if you believe vendors would make your raws unusable just so they look pretty during the week you store them before brewing you gotta be a special kind of retard.
Maybe a bad vendor cuts them with some stuff, but not to make them look pretty.
 
So are you warning everyone about fillers? Or silicone dioxide? Mannitol is not an anti-caking agent. It’s a filler/binder. Your OP was warning everyone about silicone dioxide of which there is NONE in raws. Now you are saying we’ve all been injecting dangerous fillers for years.
About fillers, silicone dioxide was ONE exampel, as its the most common used filler. So for you to say there is NONE in raws are naive and plain dumb

Yes so i dont know if they responded to whats contained in the peptides as everyone know they got manitol. but as i asked about SSAs raws n got the same respons. either way, still a better anti calking agent then silicone. one of the raw vendors i buy from uses taurine instead of wood fiber/silica, seem to work just as well, plus non toxic

My point with this thread is to ask the vendor you are buying from what filler it contains, if you are one of those that gonna homebrew and sell it to others

As most people buying raws just think it just contains the chemical they orderd, its good to know that it most likely contain fillers as well. not every vendor but alot of the manufactures do this

So the thread was just a warning to keep your eyes open and ask
 
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