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Do you spend most of your life in the plasma state achieved immediately after shotgunning a gal of water? Do you need to piss like a racehorse all day long?

I’m a near dipsomaniac and am pissing like a racehorse much of the day, but even I find the “drink a gallon of water before testing” advice a little fishy.
 
I’m a near dipsomaniac and am pissing like a racehorse much of the day, but even I find the “drink a gallon of water before testing” advice a little fishy.
I think it’s fairly useless for anyone who doesn’t pay attention to their hydration on a regular basis. Personally I’m usually a gallon of water deep by 9-10 am anyway, so this is a moot point for me on days I get bloodwork. I understand that because this came out of Todd Lee’s mouth at some point it is immediately dismissed. The counterpoint of course is to show up fasted / dry so you get the absolute most concentrated values. This way if your hct is normal when you’re dry, you know you’re good to go. If it’s normal when you’re heavily hydrated then you’re just fooling yourself (IF YOU DO NOT DRINK THAT MUCH WATER REGULARLY). I should have been more clear in stating that for an issue that seems to be on so many peoples’ minds (high hct on TRT / gear) it may be helpful to approximate your normal baseline hydration status before getting bloods drawn. Since most of us get bloods drawn early in the AM, yes you’ll need to front load your normal water intake to get a better sense of things.

I’m sure we’ve all had bloodwork at some point either the day of or after a hard workout and the creatinine is a bit elevated, perhaps even AST. That’s not something we get concerned about because we usually can identify the process as being secondary to the effects of hard training. H/H isn’t as straightforward of course but all I was saying is hydrate yourself before bloodwork. I was being hyperbolic when I mentioned the 1 gallon. I didn’t realize it put me in the doghouse with Todd

P.S. very sorry to primal. This is way off topic this will be my last comment on this thread.
 
I think it’s fairly useless for anyone who doesn’t pay attention to their hydration on a regular basis. Personally I’m usually a gallon of water deep by 9-10 am anyway, so this is a moot point for me on days I get bloodwork. I understand that because this came out of Todd Lee’s mouth at some point it is immediately dismissed. The counterpoint of course is to show up fasted / dry so you get the absolute most concentrated values. This way if your hct is normal when you’re dry, you know you’re good to go. If it’s normal when you’re heavily hydrated then you’re just fooling yourself (IF YOU DO NOT DRINK THAT MUCH WATER REGULARLY). I should have been more clear in stating that for an issue that seems to be on so many peoples’ minds (high hct on TRT / gear) it may be helpful to approximate your normal baseline hydration status before getting bloods drawn. Since most of us get bloods drawn early in the AM, yes you’ll need to front load your normal water intake to get a better sense of things.

I’m sure we’ve all had bloodwork at some point either the day of or after a hard workout and the creatinine is a bit elevated, perhaps even AST. That’s not something we get concerned about because we usually can identify the process as being secondary to the effects of hard training. H/H isn’t as straightforward of course but all I was saying is hydrate yourself before bloodwork. I was being hyperbolic when I mentioned the 1 gallon. I didn’t realize it put me in the doghouse with Todd

P.S. very sorry to primal. This is way off topic this will be my last comment on this thread.
Thanks Brother. Very nice summary.

Don't worry about Primal. I bet he is ok with us discussing these important matters here.
 
Just to get things straight…
If someone were to take 10 iu of the orange top growth and then get a GH panel, when would be the best timing to do the draw in relation to when you take the growth?
Second, would it be better to run the GH for a period of time prior to the blood draw or take the draw immediately following the first injection?

It looks like you're talking about two different things

The quick & dirty serum GH assay is 10 IU IM then get GH measured 2-3 hours later

For IGF1, blood draw relative to when you pinned GH doesn't matter but you should be on a consistent dose of GH for a few weeks
 
Thanks Brother. Very nice summary.

Don't worry about Primal. I bet he is ok with us discussing these important matters here.
Absolutely brother, we love it.

Appreciate the solid discussion and insights being shared. We’re learning a lot too, and this kind of dialogue is exactly what helps push the whole community forward.
 
Absolutely brother, we love it.

Appreciate the solid discussion and insights being shared. We’re learning a lot too, and this kind of dialogue is exactly what helps push the whole community forward.
What's the lowest raw purity you have on your injectable line of products currently?

I'm sure you saw my tag discussing the other vendor at SST who came in with all raws HPLC tested (at least that was the claim). Your thoughts?

Btw, MuscleCandy told me one time that just wasn't sustainable/feasible.
 
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What's the lowest raw purity you have on your injectable line of products currently?

I'm sure you saw my tag discussing the other vendor at SST who came in with all raws HPLC tested (at least that was the claim). Your thoughts?

Muscle Candy told me one time that just wasn't sustainable long term.
We don’t use anything under 98 percent purity for our injectables. Most of what we run is 99 percent or higher, and anything that comes in below doesn’t get used. And honestly, to this point, we haven’t even been SENT anything under 98%. Hopefully that continues.

As for HPLC testing on every single raw, we actually think it is sustainable long term. It just takes commitment, and yeah, it costs more. But if you’re serious about quality and transparency, that’s the price of doing things right. We’re already heavily invested in regular third party testing and expanding that even further as we grow.
 
What's the lowest raw purity you have on your injectable line of products currently?

I'm sure you saw my tag discussing the other vendor at SST who came in with all raws HPLC tested (at least that was the claim). Your thoughts?

Btw, MuscleCandy told me one time that just wasn't sustainable/feasible.
And yes, we saw the tag discussing the other vendor. Genuinely appreciate you tagging us. We were impressed.

We’re always looking for ways to improve and push the standard higher. Respect to anyone putting in the effort to do it right.
 
And honestly, to this point, we haven’t even been SENT anything under 98%.
If you sent your deca raw to Jano you think it would test 98%+? EQ?

@Sampei : ever seen this high of a purity with deca or EQ?

Shall we test them Primal?

@janoshik: if these raws get sent can we get an actual raw data purity report out rather than the typical xx%+?

Very interesting. Seriously. Thank you very much for your thoughtful responses Primal!
 
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We think they would test that high but now I’m curious… let’s send these in if possible

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Strongly advise ya’ll drinking 1 gallon of water before fasting bloods. You may be surprised at your HCT levels. The biggest challenge is logistics (finding a place to piss).
Had a fun time finding bathrooms when I did this for labs.
Stopped at a before gas station. Used the labs bathroom and then right when I got home had to go again
 
First time order. T/a 2 business days to East Coast (Ordered Friday landed this morning).

Nice little extra vial of Reta too. Either an honest mistake or a bit of new customer reciprocity - either way I'm up, because I usually have to send a boner pic(s) to get that kind of treatment.

Praying to the pip gods that this cyp400 doesn't wreck my ass. Usually order Axle but every time I need to re-up bro is on a 4 week hiatus in fuckin bora bora or wherever sources spend their bitcoin.

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Why bother with Primo when you’ve got EQ? Sure, EQ isn’t the flashy type - no charisma, no fan club of girls losing their minds over it, but it’s a workhorse. It keeps E2 in check, doesn’t wreck your lipids like a psycho, and costs half the price. Mast, on the other hand, is like EQ’s cooler cousin - smooth, lean, and knows how to make you look shredded in any lighting. Meanwhile, Primo is that overhyped Hollywood pretty boy everyone talks about, but half the time you’re paying just for the name. I’ll take EQ and Mast, the blue-collar duo, over pretty-boy Primo any day.
Can we get anthropomorphized analogies for the rest of the AAS lineup? Tren, Dbol, Anavar... etc?
 
It looks like you're talking about two different things

The quick & dirty serum GH assay is 10 IU IM then get GH measured 2-3 hours later

For IGF1, blood draw relative to when you pinned GH doesn't matter but you should be on a consistent dose of GH for a few weeks
This is what I was kinda getting at I probably should of been a bit more detailed in my reply. I do hear pinning i.m gives u higher igf numbers from what I heard from a pretty well and knowledgeable podcast. The combo came up between i.m and sub q. Seems like i.m is the way to go. If I was Gunna shoot for if I would just keep whatever dosage u plan to run steady this way you have an idea of what that dosage is doing and weither you wanna increase your ius or decrease. The only thing I might do that day in pin it i.m instead of sub q. But this is just me IV just started recently pinning my gh i.m

I'm excited to see how these mast e and deca hplc come back hopefully this week. Taking my second shot of test cyp today I should start to have some feelz usually by second pin. His test cyp 200 I couldn't even tell I pinned the next day and it was super smooth and barely any pressure to pin actually had to slow my shot down. I got bloods on the 4th also just doing a trt dose 150mg might bump it to 200mg just to see where that puts my test levels at I'll make sure I grab my baseline blood work also. I'm waiting on jano to email me back on the process of sending a sample out to him of the tren e 200. Just wanna make sure I fill the customs form out correctly.
 
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