A GH and fat loss protocol (rhGH lipolysis) that is science-based

[Ghoul]

yeah, how are u gonna atrophy the muscle? you are breathing 24/7

I've read that constant use means there's no downtime for respiratory muscles to recover, so over decades, the anabolic mechanisms atrophy, and eventually they can't take up protein even when it's abundant, leading to muscle loss. rHGH up-regulates androgen receptors, and bam, there's a sudden, localized drop in amino acids (in animal studies) perhaps because all those respiratory muscles start sucking up available rebuilding materials to make up for lost time.

In a sense, respiratory muscles are the most aged skeletal muscles in our body, so they most dramatically benefit from rHGH anti-aging properties.

 

[Photon]

There are many studies on this, the vast majority are adult growth hormone deficiency patients of course. They're scarce on healthy populations.

https://d1wqtxts1xzle7.cloudfront.net/69056907/j.ghir.2007.04.00320210904-15495-38kpbi-libre.pdf

"Conclusion: The findings of this study indicated that short-term high dose rhGH increased aerobic performance and respiratory muscle strength in former AAS users."

The sample size is kind of small.
Dose doesn't seem that high either.
6 days use of HGH at 0.019 mg/kg.

Someone at 70kg will be taking 4IUs.
I wonder what the average weight of these participants are at.

 

[dinfar1337]

I've read that constant use means there's no downtime for respiratory muscles to recover, so over decades, the anabolic mechanisms atrophy, and eventually they can't take up protein even when it's abundant, leading to muscle loss. rHGH up-regulates androgen receptors, and bam, there's a sudden, localized drop in amino acids (in animal studies) perhaps because all those respiratory muscles start sucking up available rebuilding materials to make up for lost time.

In a sense, respiratory muscles are the most aged skeletal muscles in our body, so they most dramatically benefit from rHGH anti-aging properties.

yeah i guess this isnt the only muscle that have increased protein synthesis from the hgh, just going out from hgh increases protein synthesis as a whole and not only in muscle. it probably has some profound effects somewhere else both positive and negative

 

[dinfar1337]

The sample size is kind of small.
Dose doesn't seem that high either.
6 days use of HGH at 0.019 mg/kg.

Someone at 70kg will be taking 4IUs.

i suspect its even lower than 4iu for someone 70kg. just from anecdotes people report better breathing already at low doses in a week or so(1-2iu) and overall better life quality.

 

[Photon]

i suspect its even lower than 4iu for someone 70kg. just from anecdotes people report better breathing already at low doses in a week or so(1-2iu) and overall better life quality.

Looks like they were ~86-89kg.
So 4-5IUs a day.

 

[bananafeet]

Most people produce 2-3 IUs a day. Are you taking 1 IU a day? Is your sleep better or worse without GH? Looks like you had better sleep using Tesa, which makes sense, because you are at least producing the baseline amount.

Both GH and AAS stimulate muscle growth. Lungs are organs, not muscles. Maybe the strengthening of the diaphragm and its surrounding muscles did something. But at the same time, it may be offset by water retention (especially in the neck) or growth of the traps (especially in AAS users). Having more muscles tho results in greater oxygen utilization so i guess there's always a trade off. Taking in more oxygen vs using more oxygen.

Sadly, I personally don't see much of a sleep improvement regardless on TRT or blast doses of HGH. I do see a significant improvement in exercise recovery time tho.

Hmm I disagree about the dosing. 1iu seems sufficient for me

Yes I've noticed an improvement in sleep quality with HGH and tesamorelin. When I take them out the sleep worsens, when I add them back sleep improves.

 

[Ghoul]

The sample size is kind of small.
Dose doesn't seem that high either.
6 days use of HGH at 0.019 mg/kg.

Someone at 70kg will be taking 4IUs.

Not so small, subtle, and isolated of a result that the respiratory improvement can be dismissed as a coincidence that they could all suddenly breath measurably better. Similar results are common and consistent in dozens of studies involving large groups of "sick" subjects. The usual objection to those becomes "But those people have aids/cancer/gh deficiency so how do you know it applies to healthy groups?"

So the way I look at it is confirming results demonstrated on much large groups, by using small numbers of subjects without the health "flaw" that makes a study result's applicability questionable for healthy people.

Studies in healthy subjects are rare, they're difficult to justify from an ethical standpoint when you're not fixing anything. It veers into performance enhancement, which is probably why so many like this are isolated to brief periods. using small groups, often outside the US.

And what motivated me to go down this road was my personal experience climbing up and down a mountain, as I've done for years in the summer, wondering why breathing under a heavy workload and thin air has become so easy all of a sudden after a couple of months at 4iu (90kg).

 

[Ateam2023]

its very individual across so many different levels of effects person to person, Some get "Xyz" out of this and some don't, i moved my hgh away from nighttime injections and my sleep hasnt really improved or changed, i just have a crap schedule pissing all night,, so sleep is fragmented ,,

 

[dinfar1337]

its very individual across so many different levels of effects person to person, Some get "Xyz" out of this and some don't, i moved my hgh away from nighttime injections and my sleep hasnt really improved or changed, i just have a crap schedule pissing all night,, so sleep is fragmented ,,

i have the same issue. but you can still improve deep sleep.

at first it was melatonin for me which i noticed cortisol lowering on bloodtests and i suddenly got a metabolic boost and improved recovery(more reps gained per workout back then i was at +1 got to +2 since i was a newbie sub 100kg)

now with hgh i still feel like i slept like shit every day(just hard to get up in the morning a little mad and groggy) but i got a nice metabolic boost from that aswell, bloodmarkers are looking better than ever and i've never dropped stubborn fat so easily.

not everyone notices improved sleep but the signs will defiently be there.

 

[Ateam2023]

i have the same issue. but you can still improve deep sleep.

at first it was melatonin for me which i noticed cortisol lowering on bloodtests and i suddenly got a metabolic boost and improved recovery(more reps gained per workout back then i was at +1 got to +2 since i was a newbie sub 100kg)

now with hgh i still feel like i slept like shit every day(just hard to get up in the morning a little mad and groggy) but i got a nice metabolic boost from that aswell, bloodmarkers are looking better than ever and i've never dropped stubborn fat so easily.

not everyone notices improved sleep but the signs will defiently be there.

thats one test i need to get is a cortisol test, do you know if theres a specific cortisol test thats better for data purposes?

 

[Ateam2023]

i have the same issue. but you can still improve deep sleep.

at first it was melatonin for me which i noticed cortisol lowering on bloodtests and i suddenly got a metabolic boost and improved recovery(more reps gained per workout back then i was at +1 got to +2 since i was a newbie sub 100kg)

now with hgh i still feel like i slept like shit every day(just hard to get up in the morning a little mad and groggy) but i got a nice metabolic boost from that aswell, bloodmarkers are looking better than ever and i've never dropped stubborn fat so easily.

not everyone notices improved sleep but the signs will defiently be there.

i don't get much deep sleep according to my apple watch,,

 

[dinfar1337]

thats one test i need to get is a cortisol test, do you know if theres a specific cortisol test thats better for data purposes?

just get the standard cortisol package(dhea + cortisol), its the hormone for stress levels of your body. and you're informing you dont get much deep sleep which can negatively impact coritsol, recovery etc so you should probably find the cause of why you're not able to get deep sleep and fix it.

its gonna improve your quality of life heavily and gains. and i mean it as my mother have chronic stress and its something i suspect i have inherited from her, fixing it has been a life saver. ashwaganda, melatonin, hgh whatever it takes try everything to see whatever is causing it.

 

[Photon]

thats one test i need to get is a cortisol test, do you know if theres a specific cortisol test thats better for data purposes?

Doesn't it fluctuate throughout the day?
Are you planning to get it tested at night?

 

[dinfar1337]

Doesn't it fluctuate throughout the day?
Are you planning to get it tested at night?

no you take it in the morning

 

[Photon]

no you take it in the morning

Yes but are we not talking about sleep.
Isn't it best to get it tested as late as possible to see if its elevated.

 

[dinfar1337]

Yes but are we not talking about sleep

cortisol gets tested in the morning to see if the levels are too high since thats when its the highest and see if its so high it has a impact; you dont fast and do bunch of cardio shedding bunch of waterweight to impact the scale in the morning to see if you have lost weight

 

[Photon]

cortisol gets tested in the morning to see if the levels are too high since thats when its the highest and see if its so high it has a impact; you dont fast and do bunch of cardio shedding bunch of waterweight to impact the scale in the morning

i have the same issue. but you can still improve deep sleep.

at first it was melatonin for me which i noticed cortisol lowering on bloodtests and i suddenly got a metabolic boost and improved recovery(more reps gained per workout back then i was at +1 got to +2 since i was a newbie sub 100kg)

Yes i understand.
Highest in the morning, lowest at night.
Cortisol increases due to poor sleep. If his sleep sucks, his cortisol is going to be high.

Are you not saying that cortisol is affecting sleep, due to it being elevated at night, which is why melatonin is helping out by lowering it? Or are you saying it's improving your deep sleep, which is why you see a cortisol drop in the morning?

 

[Ateam2023]

Doesn't it fluctuate throughout the day?
Are you planning to get it tested at night?

no i would most likely do it as early as i can, which is usually @8-10 am in my area ,

 

[dinfar1337]

Yes i understand.
Highest in the morning, lowest at night.
Are you not saying it's affecting sleep, due to it being elevated at night, which is why melatonin is helping out?

you could do that at home testing but no labs have open at night, and if your cortisol is high in the morning its high in the night if its chronically elevated(affecting sleep to the point of bad deep sleep).

you could also have high cortisol in the night due to overtraining etc which it would be good to do both in the morning and night just to safe. but from overtraining/aas/etc it will most likely be elevated in both instances.

genetically if its some rare disease you could have normal cortisol in the morning and elevated in the night.

in my case i inherited the chronic stress from my mother so it was elevated throughout the whole day(day & night)

 

[dinfar1337]

Yes i understand.
Highest in the morning, lowest at night.
Cortisol increases due to poor sleep. If his sleep sucks, his cortisol is going to be high.

Are you not saying that cortisol is affecting sleep, due to it being elevated at night, which is why melatonin is helping out by lowering it? Or are you saying it's improving your deep sleep, which is why you see a cortisol drop in the morning?

i researched a little and they do both night and morning for sleep cases.

night will give insight if you have trouble falling asleep.

and morning will give insight if u have slept like shit(bad deep sleep), so in this case morning will be just fine unless he have trouble of falling sleeping.

although both morning & night will give the best full picture