Wait for labs or .......?

Whistles77

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Every now and then I see someone post (mostly off meso) about sides, or a cycle getting really fucked up, and the go-to advice is often “get your bloodwork done.” And sure, that makes sense, we need data before making changes. But I keep wondering: how does anyone actually use labs to make informed decisions in enough time to do anything about what they’re feeling?

So far, in my limited experience, the timing just doesn’t work. Let’s say you're on an E3D protocol; ideally wait a few days to hit a trough before pulling labs. Then you have to schedule an appointment, which might take another couple of days depending on your lab, and then testing e2 sensitive, takes around two weeks to come back. So realistically, from the moment something feels off to actually having results in hand, you’re looking at maybe 14 to 17 days.

That lag time raises the question: are most of us really using labs to guide decisions in the moment? Or are we mostly going off feel and past experience, and using labs after the fact to confirm whether our instincts were right?

I’m asking this because I recently crashed my E2, really crashed (or at least i believe i did) and it was brutally miserable....even more miserable as it was my own fault for being retarded playing with inconsistent dosing. Sitting around doing nothing for two weeks waiting on labs wasn’t an option, so I reacted: I used HCG, then threw in a bit of dbol and Test Prop to stay sane. By the time my labs came back, my E2 was in a normal range probably thanks to the HCG but I didn’t know that at the time and was still pretty miserable (maybe because e2 was wildly fluctating). Either way, I was operating completely blind. If anything goes wrong again, i want to have a better plan if i can.

So I’m curious: when E2 crashes or other things go sideways, how are you all making decisions in real time? Is it mostly just built from experience? Do you have standard rescue protocols you rely on? Or do some of you actually wait out the labs before doing anything? Are there other labs with accelerated turn around times? Just trying to get a feel for how others, either veterans or virgins navigate the timing gap between symptoms and actionable bloodwork.
 
using labs is like shooting a target with a sniper. and going off feels is like shooting in the dark.

if the problem is right infront of you, you can take a pretty good shot even though you're in the dark.

it all really depends on how desperate you are

me? i prefer being safer and shooting someone from far away, but if my dick isnt working better believe im taking every shot in the dark there is
 
Every now and then I see someone post (mostly off meso) about sides, or a cycle getting really fucked up, and the go-to advice is often “get your bloodwork done.” And sure, that makes sense, we need data before making changes. But I keep wondering: how does anyone actually use labs to make informed decisions in enough time to do anything about what they’re feeling?

So far, in my limited experience, the timing just doesn’t work. Let’s say you're on an E3D protocol; ideally wait a few days to hit a trough before pulling labs. Then you have to schedule an appointment, which might take another couple of days depending on your lab, and then testing e2 sensitive, takes around two weeks to come back. So realistically, from the moment something feels off to actually having results in hand, you’re looking at maybe 14 to 17 days.

That lag time raises the question: are most of us really using labs to guide decisions in the moment? Or are we mostly going off feel and past experience, and using labs after the fact to confirm whether our instincts were right?

I’m asking this because I recently crashed my E2, really crashed (or at least i believe i did) and it was brutally miserable....even more miserable as it was my own fault for being retarded playing with inconsistent dosing. Sitting around doing nothing for two weeks waiting on labs wasn’t an option, so I reacted: I used HCG, then threw in a bit of dbol and Test Prop to stay sane. By the time my labs came back, my E2 was in a normal range probably thanks to the HCG but I didn’t know that at the time and was still pretty miserable (maybe because e2 was wildly fluctating). Either way, I was operating completely blind. If anything goes wrong again, i want to have a better plan if i can.

So I’m curious: when E2 crashes or other things go sideways, how are you all making decisions in real time? Is it mostly just built from experience? Do you have standard rescue protocols you rely on? Or do some of you actually wait out the labs before doing anything? Are there other labs with accelerated turn around times? Just trying to get a feel for how others, either veterans or virgins navigate the timing gap between symptoms and actionable bloodwork.
What were you running exactly?
 
What were you running exactly?
Nothing complex. Primo and Test. My learning from the whole thing was that ratios in dosing are an oversimplification and ok guideline, but very flawed as a rile and understanding the underlying mechanisms behind a compound allows better decision making. I now believe .....choose your primo dose and adjust test to allow for your e2 aromatization.....but that still could need a few labtests at strategic times. At least now i understand firsthand a bit better and will be able to recognize and tweak before it becomes an issue again.
 
Change you method of getting labs.

Self order labs (Fitnomics, Dr Says, wherever). Both Labcorp and Quest allow walk in appointments (at least around here). Results back in a few days.
 
Change you method of getting labs.

Self order labs (Fitnomics, Dr Says, wherever). Both Labcorp and Quest allow walk in appointments (at least around here). Results back in a few days.
Including things like e2 senstive? AFAIK all the Labcorps and Quests near me have at least a 2 week turnaround time on those results? Is that any different when using fitnomics rather than PrivateMDlabs that im using?
 
Nothing complex. Primo and Test. My learning from the whole thing was that ratios in dosing are an oversimplification and ok guideline, but very flawed as a rile and understanding the underlying mechanisms behind a compound allows better decision making. I now believe .....choose your primo dose and adjust test to allow for your e2 aromatization.....but that still could need a few labtests at strategic times. At least now i understand firsthand a bit better and will be able to recognize and tweak before it becomes an issue again.
When you’re taking something like Primo for the first time you definitely want to plan to get bloods a few weeks in to see how E2 is being affected. It’s especially important that you have a baseline on what your E2 looks like with just Test, hence why so many people say Test only for your first cycle. Anywhere above 2:1 test primo ratio my E2 starts to nuke. My buddy runs 1:1 with zero problems. I know it’s redundant, but this is why everyone preaches bloodwork as the gospel, you can better guide yourself in the future.
 
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When you’re taking something like Primo for the first time you definitely want to plan to get bloods a few weeks in to see how E2 is being affected. It’s especially important that you have a baseline on what your E2 looks like with just Test, hence why so many people say Test only for your first cycle. Anywhere above 2:1 test:primo ratio my E2 starts to nuke. My buddy runs 1:1 with zero problems. I know it’s redundant, but this is why everyone preaches bloodwork as the gospel, you can better guide yourself in the future.
Yup. Even now, im second guessing myself as when i got my labs back from what i thought was crashed e2 (and my few days of reacting to bring them back up), they were in normal range. Either i had brought them back up and probably then overshot, or it wasn't the issue at all. Im starting to think it could have been a finasteride issue all along (maybe).

Getting bloods at short intervals through a first cycle with a new compound sounds like good wisdom though. Thank you. See how it's trending early to anticipate the issue......even if there is no issue.
 
I am currently 10 weeks into test and 5 weeks into primo and I just had a draw, awaiting E2 results now. I don't have any serious sides, mostly just bloating if my carbs get too high so I'm inclined to wait for results. But if I did have bad sides I would still probably wait. Knee jerking into more drugs doesn't seem prudent. You can always pause/lower doses. Sure it doesn't give immediate relief but the alternative seems riskier to me. We all got into this game accepting certain levels of risk. So it's really a question of how risk averse are you?

Btw, 2+ weeks is ridiculous. Not sure why it would be different elsewhere but I can buy a test online (Labcorp on Demand) tonight and walk into my local Labcorp tomorrow with no appointment and get drawn. I've never had to wait longer than a week for results.
 
Where are you? On west coast both labcorp and quest take at least 10 days for e2 sensitive results. Other results come much quicker.

NY. FYI, got my E2 results from Quest yesterday - 3 days after draw so it's not a technical limitation. More likely a service level limitation in your case.
 
Where are you? On west coast both labcorp and quest take at least 10 days for e2 sensitive results. Other results come much quicker.

There's only 1 lab for LabCorp that does all LC/MS testing and that's in NC. Shipping samples alone takes time, and they probably test in batches to reduce cost. The long wait times are expected, sadly.

Waiting times are not very different from Quest AFAIK.
 
Blood tests are an investment in the future. Every time you try a new molecule in combination with testosterone, you should do a bloodwork after a few weeks. The results should be kept and catalogued: they serve as a guide for subsequent protocols.

Example: this year I tried for the first time 300 mg/week DHB, in stack with 500 mg Test C, after 6 weeks my blood report show E2 50.8 Pg/ml.

When I will re use dhb i will know that this dosage is perfect for my needs, Unfortunately lab reports show also transaminases very high (150 ALT, 90 AST) even though I used Tudca, so I also found out that DHB, is insanely toxic
 
NY. FYI, got my E2 results from Quest yesterday - 3 days after draw so it's not a technical limitation. More likely a service level limitation in your case.
Regular E2 comes back within a few days, E2 Sensitive takes 10 - 15 because there is only 1 lab that does it as far as I know.
 
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