hgh for age related physical decline after 40s?

[Diego90]

I'm trying to update my limited knowledge on peds after >10 years since the last (very light) use, at 42yo I'm thinking on give hgh a try for general well-being and mild recovery upgrade from lifting and fast-twitch fiber targeted workouts.

After some reading, I thought on a protocol of 3iu EOD. 1iu IM morning on waking up - 2iu SQ before bed. Maybe paired with 10mg var post-wo, from what I read suppression is minimal at this dosage, and it could add a bit for recovery (at least more than nothing, at supplement or creatine level with barely sides).

Does this sounds an ok protocol for someone just looking for very mild recovery improvement, with no much hassle, pct, etc?

I'm average fit, 82kg@1.84m at 10-12%BF with good diet, training (not grinding myself anymore) and healthy habits. But each year passing I realize my performance and recovery ability drops more and more from what it used to be.

 

[songsofpyramids]

Are you on trt? Would not fuck with var unless you are as you’ll just suppress yourself and get minimal gains at best. The oral only stuff is an old and bad fad. I would do much more research on that front before pulling any triggers.

The hgh is more reasonable. Do your blood work. If you’re looking for recovery you’ll find it there. Do not start at that dose. Titrate slowly. Be prepared for it to fuck up your sleep especially at first. I tell my buddies to start it am.

Don’t settle on a protocol you’ve read work for others as this drug is highly individual for each user and there is no one size fits all. Find what works for you and stick with it. Try subq and im and see what feels better. I got one buddy doing 8iu M W F im and swears by it, another doing 5iu subq 2 hours before bed, I used to split dose im but now I do 2.5iu am and 300mcg ipamorelin pm because it helps my sleep so much.

 

[Ghoul]

Since we're talking about long term, maybe forever use, get baseline IGF then follow up a few weeks after starting. and let that and morning fasted glucose guide your rHGH usage, not some arbitrary number of ius,

It's a cheap test.

Then keep IGF around 1.3x the upper
limit for your age if you want to minimize risks.

 

[malfeasance]

I'm trying to update my limited knowledge on peds after >10 years since the last (very light) use, at 42yo I'm thinking on give hgh a try for general well-being and mild recovery upgrade from lifting and fast-twitch fiber targeted workouts.

After some reading, I thought on a protocol of 3iu EOD. 1iu IM morning on waking up - 2iu SQ before bed. Maybe paired with 10mg var post-wo, from what I read suppression is minimal at this dosage, and it could add a bit for recovery (at least more than nothing, at supplement or creatine level with barely sides).

Does this sounds an ok protocol for someone just looking for very mild recovery improvement, with no much hassle, pct, etc?

I'm average fit, 82kg@1.84m at 10-12%BF with good diet, training (not grinding myself anymore) and healthy habits. But each year passing I realize my performance and recovery ability drops more and more from what it used to be.

What is your testosterone level?

 

[Grey Spartan]

Get base line blood work
Start TRT
Start HGH adjust dose so your IGF-1 is 300+

This protocol will accomplish what your looking for.

 

[Diego90]

Thanks for the replies. My last blood work, a year ago, put me at 680ng/dL of T (total). I plan to do a new one, I may ask for IGF-1 too.

I'm lazy to even think about starting trt or using T without a real deficiency. I understand your point on var suppresion, but so far the data I've read doesn't point out to such a dramatic decline for doses about 10mg for no longer than a 6 week period. I just try not to overcomplicate things, but simplify using the less stuff possible with a rather safety profile.

One study found a 25% LH reduction after a 12 week cycle on 20mg anavar daily. 66% reduction for 80mg. If I do var I plan to do about 10mg, just for a mild aid with recovery/fat loss. 6 weeks on 6 weeks off

Anyway I'll check T and LH before and after to see by myself what the real suppresion is.

For hGH I plan 2IU eod initially for 4-5 months at least to see what the benefits are. Then I'll adjust if not convinced about the results. I obviously don't expect notable muscle gains nor dramatic physica changes. Just to tighten skin up a bit and a mild better recovery and well-being feeling. 2IU edo is a very low dose, I doubt of any serious risk with this protocol, while having an eye on blood glucose.

 

[songsofpyramids]

That var isn’t going to do shit for you but complicate a functioning hormonal system and fuck with your liver. That’s literally the female starting dose. You are reading bad research/bro science/following an old fad on the oral only shit.

On the other hand the hgh will actually do what you’re looking for and is unlikely to cause any health complications unless you’re pre diabetic or unlucky and have a pituitary adenoma.

 

[Jkeepdrop739]

Thanks for the replies. My last blood work, a year ago, put me at 680ng/dL of T (total). I plan to do a new one, I may ask for IGF-1 too.

I'm lazy to even think about starting trt or using T without a real deficiency. I understand your point on var suppresion, but so far the data I've read doesn't point out to such a dramatic decline for doses about 10mg for no longer than a 6 week period. I just try not to overcomplicate things, but simplify using the less stuff possible with a rather safety profile.

One study found a 25% LH reduction after a 12 week cycle on 20mg anavar daily. 66% reduction for 80mg. If I do var I plan to do about 10mg, just for a mild aid with recovery/fat loss. 6 weeks on 6 weeks off

Anyway I'll check T and LH before and after to see by myself what the real suppresion is.

For hGH I plan 2IU eod initially for 4-5 months at least to see what the benefits are. Then I'll adjust if not convinced about the results. I obviously don't expect notable muscle gains nor dramatic physica changes. Just to tighten skin up a bit and a mild better recovery and well-being feeling. 2IU edo is a very low dose, I doubt of any serious risk with this protocol, while having an eye on blood glucose.

I’m early 40s. Just started TRT this year. 200mg weekly. Added 50mg of var (25mg 2x a day unless I was lifting I’d do the entire 50). I also am currently taking 4ius, although I’ve slowly tirated up from 2. I’m getting some sides now, but relatively minor.

Blood glucose all good. I check many mornings. I have a full blood panel on Monday and will report back. But I am here to tell you - I had about a 600 test level before starting TRT. At 200mg per week, plus a 4 week cycle or 50mg of var, and 4ius a day I’m seeing amazing gains.

Also I’ve been taking glutathione injections along with tudca and other things just to save my liver. But 4 weeks won’t be bad. Shall be interesting what my bloods say.

 

[KOArtist]

I got one buddy doing 8iu M W F im and swears by it.

I’m doing exactly that right now, about 3 weeks in. Hoping the 3x week will get my insulin sensitivity back up after doing both daily and split dosing.

 

[Ateam2023]

I’m doing exactly that right now, about 3 weeks in. Hoping the 3x week will get my insulin sensitivity back up after doing both daily and split dosing.

@3 weeks in, what have you noticed as far as "possible water retention" , or has it been a smooth transition ?

 

[KOArtist]

@3 weeks in, what have you noticed as far as "possible water retention" , or has it been a smooth transition ?

Feels nice and smooth so far, but my Telmisartan comes with HCTZ so that helps any edema too.

 

[wp_375]

I’m doing exactly that right now, about 3 weeks in. Hoping the 3x week will get my insulin sensitivity back up after doing both daily and split dosing.

I've also been doing 8iu M/W/F which also corresponds to my workout days because 3-4iu daily was jacking up my RHR too much. On M/W/F even with the larger doses my RHR is back down in the high 70's, low 80's versus 90 on ED dosing.

Fat loss has been cooking along just as well as daily dosing and workout recovery has been great. Also am managing to gain some muscle in a caloric deficit so this dosing gets two thumbs up from me so far.

 

[zpped]

I’m early 40s. Just started TRT this year. 200mg weekly. Added 50mg of var (25mg 2x a day unless I was lifting I’d do the entire 50). I also am currently taking 4ius, although I’ve slowly tirated up from 2. I’m getting some sides now, but relatively minor.

Blood glucose all good. I check many mornings. I have a full blood panel on Monday and will report back. But I am here to tell you - I had about a 600 test level before starting TRT. At 200mg per week, plus a 4 week cycle or 50mg of var, and 4ius a day I’m seeing amazing gains.

Also I’ve been taking glutathione injections along with tudca and other things just to save my liver. But 4 weeks won’t be bad. Shall be interesting what my bloods say.

That's cool, but nothing you're doing is TRT.

 

[Mick]

I have a question for you guys or anyone who has some insight. Recently been lowering my test dose to find a comfortable place between health, maintaining, and slightly growing. Currently on abt 350mg prop weekly. 5mg var pre workout. And 6iu hgh nightly. My question is, is it pointless to have higher doses of hgh 4iu and up if your not kind of matching that with a higher test dose. Esp money wise. For example would it be better to just do low dose test and low hgh and save the extra hgh for when I crank it. Almost like matching 1iu for every 100 mg of test for the synergy. Or will I still get a good bit out of keeping the gh high always, even when lowering the test dose to 300 or less.

 

[Jkeepdrop739]

That's cool, but nothing you're doing is TRT.

Currently a part of the dumbest debate of all time. You have no idea if it’s TRT until I get my bloods. Thanks for playing, though.

 

[wp_375]

Currently a part of the dumbest debate of all time. You have no idea if it’s TRT until I get my bloods. Thanks for playing, though.

I think his point was Anavar is not TRT. Neither is GH. And the 200mg of Test isn't TRT either because your T was in normal range before and didn't need "replacement". LOL

 

[Diego90]

That var isn’t going to do shit for you but complicate a functioning hormonal system and fuck with your liver. That’s literally the female starting dose. You are reading bad research/bro science/following an old fad on the oral only shit.

I also search for medical literature and try to learn from official approved use for a selected drug first. Do you know what anavar is used for? Did you read common guidelines for recovery with oxandrolone on patients after muscle loss at real medical environment? As far as I know they're not put on trt alongside because "hpta suppresion" or negative net gains outcome. You suggest official protocol doesn't work and they're doing it wrong. An enthusiast in a bb forum calling "bro scicence" medical guidelines for a given drug.

Example:
Oxandrolone in the treatment of HIV-associated weight loss in men: a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled study

 

[Jkeepdrop739]

I think his point was Anavar is not TRT. Neither is GH. And the 200mg of Test isn't TRT either because your T was in normal range before and didn't need "replacement". LOL

I said very specifically I was on TRT and I added var/gh. I never said the entire package was TRT. Ffs.

 

[songsofpyramids]

Did you read common guidelines for recovery with oxandrolone on patients after muscle loss at real medical environment?

You are not a geriatric man wasting away, an aids wasting patient, or a burn victim desperately trying to hold onto your unburnt muscle. You are a healthy middle aged athletic man and you will be taking a much smaller dose than they would and expecting it to do miracles. I’m telling you straight, it’s not going to do anything much beyond screw with your liver and suppress your test. You do not want that suppressed even minimally as a middle aged guy as you will feel it and it can cause havoc on your hpa that can last longer than you’ll like.

I’m also a middle aged guy not on trt. If what you’re looking for is performance and recovery you will find that with hgh, even low replacement+ doses. I would personally avoid orals unless you’re contemplating a blast or starting trt.

 

[Proud Pangolin]

Thanks for the replies. My last blood work, a year ago, put me at 680ng/dL of T (total). I plan to do a new one, I may ask for IGF-1 too.

I'm lazy to even think about starting trt or using T without a real deficiency. I understand your point on var suppresion, but so far the data I've read doesn't point out to such a dramatic decline for doses about 10mg for no longer than a 6 week period. I just try not to overcomplicate things, but simplify using the less stuff possible with a rather safety profile.

One study found a 25% LH reduction after a 12 week cycle on 20mg anavar daily. 66% reduction for 80mg. If I do var I plan to do about 10mg, just for a mild aid with recovery/fat loss. 6 weeks on 6 weeks off

Anyway I'll check T and LH before and after to see by myself what the real suppresion is.

For hGH I plan 2IU eod initially for 4-5 months at least to see what the benefits are. Then I'll adjust if not convinced about the results. I obviously don't expect notable muscle gains nor dramatic physica changes. Just to tighten skin up a bit and a mild better recovery and well-being feeling. 2IU edo is a very low dose, I doubt of any serious risk with this protocol, while having an eye on blood glucose.

Why do you want to take 10mg var? Just take Creatine, you will probably get more out of that. 10mg var isnt really anabolic. Its something you tell girls to take who necessary want to take something.
Why would you risk affecting your hormones as your benefits will be almost zero. You dont know how hard this will surpress you. Everybody is different.

Better take 2IU of HGH every day and start eith TRT. You can inject both sq which isnt a pain in the ass as im and you will:
-look great
-feel great
-not have any sides