Test prop vs test cyp dosing?

[newguy2]

With the different half life of the two, would weekly dosing be the same. My mind tells me you should do more prop to get equal test to cyp because it clears out faster.

For example if taking 100mg of test cyp weekly pinning m,w,f, what would an equal amount look like with test prop pinning EOD.

For clarity the above numbers are hypothetical. My wife was prescribed trt, and in a desire to see test levels increase quickly (she's felt horrible for a long time) we're looking at starting with test prop.

 

[HKOX]

I use test prop year round and inject subq every day. You will likely get higher testosterone levels on prop due to the lower ester weight vs cyp. I strongly suggest pinning ED.

 

[newguy2]

I use test prop year round and inject subq every day. You will likely get higher testosterone levels on prop due to the lower ester weight vs cyp. I strongly suggest pinning ED.

My confusion is how the dosing lines up. If you are pinning 200mg/week of cyp, how much would you pin every day of prop?

 

[HKOX]

My confusion is how the dosing lines up. If you are pinning 200mg/week of cyp, how much would you pin every day of prop?

For me, personally, 200mg of prop a week (my year-round dose), but for your wife she might want to go lower with prop than with cyp due to the potential virilization with test. Bloodwork and how she reacts would show you where you want your dosage. You can very easily titrate up and down with prop due to the shorter half life.

You can also do the math after subtracting ester weight from each compound, but what actually happens when injected is highly individual. Cyp will build up to an even level over several weeks, but prop will get there much quicker due to the shorter half-life, so you'd have to factor that in too.

I'd start at 3/4 of the recommended weekly cyp dose and work up from there if I was her.

 

[newguy2]

For me, personally, 200mg of prop a week (my year-round dose), but for your wife she might want to go lower with prop than with cyp due to the potential virilization with test. Bloodwork and how she reacts would show you where you want your dosage. You can very easily titrate up and down with prop due to the shorter half life.

You can also do the math after subtracting ester weight from each compound, but what actually happens when injected is highly individual. Cyp will build up to an even level over several weeks, but prop will get there much quicker due to the shorter half-life, so you'd have to factor that in too.

I'd start at 3/4 of the recommended weekly cyp dose and work up from there if I was her.

Thank you that's helpful. So if the dose was 8mg/week with cyp you would recommend 6mg/week of prop split up ED?

 

[HKOX]

Thank you that's helpful. So if the dose was 8mg/week with cyp you would recommend 6mg/week of prop split up ED?

Yes, although that low a dose might be tricky unless your prop is dosed at 25mg/ml

 

[newguy2]

Yes, although that low a dose might be tricky unless your prop is dosed at 25mg/ml

Yeah I think we will do EOD. It should be dosed at 100mg/ml. Supposed to show up today. Using .3ml insulin pins.

 

[HKOX]

Yeah I think we will do EOD. It should be dosed at 100mg/ml. Supposed to show up today. Using .3ml insulin pins.

I'd still go ED just for the more stable levels if you can manage it

 

[newguy2]

I'd still go ED just for the more stable levels if you can manage it

1 unit a day seems like a pain. Plus I don't know that she wants to inject Ed. We'll see.

 

[HKOX]

1 unit a day seems like a pain. Plus I don't know that she wants to inject Ed. We'll see.

Good luck! Let us know how it goes.

 

[newguy2]

Good luck! Let us know how it goes.

Will do!

I also just read (chatgpt) that a 30g 1/2" insulin pin has a loss of 1 unit in the needle. So it seems like we should load 3 units in the dose is 2 units?

 

[HKOX]

Will do!

I also just read (chatgpt) that a 30g 1/2" insulin pin has a loss of 1 unit in the needle. So it seems like we should load 3 units in the dose is 2 units?

You can draw in some air (say 2 units' worth) after the oil so that you minimize waste. The extra air behind the column of oil will push out almost everything. I'd start with 2 and work up from there if needed.

 

[IndividualMan]

ay
just do this:

order 10 sterile 10 ml vials
transfer 1 ml of your 100mg/ml prop in every vial
add in 9ml oil (and some BA)

boom, now you have oils diluted to 10mg/ml. way lower chance of mismeasuring, or Overdosing your test dose. especially important for women.
you are doing daily doses, so you have more needle waste. if you have lots of gear staying in the needle, you want a lower concentration.

 

[newguy2]

ay
just do this:

order 10 sterile 10 ml vials
transfer 1 ml of your 100mg/ml prop in every vial
add in 9ml oil (and some BA)

boom, now you have oils diluted to 10mg/ml. way lower chance of mismeasuring, or Overdosing your test dose. especially important for women.
you are doing daily doses, so you have more needle waste. if you have lots of gear staying in the needle, you want a lower concentration.

But how would you get it thoroughly mixed. Seems like the chances of taking a shot of pure oil would be decent.

 

[IndividualMan]

it homogenizes pretty well. if you know what carrier you are using (MCT, GSO,CSO,Castor) just add that one. if not, different oils also homogenize/mix well.

 

[IndividualMan]

just shake that shit and it will work

 

[Superchicken]

I’m a woman who has used both test c and prop, recently went back to prop after trying cyp for a couple months. Initially I did prop daily and once I felt consistently good, I was able to switch to eod injx. I drop down 2 mg less for prop than cyp.

It took almost 6 weeks to notice a difference, a lot of women chase a feeling and get into trouble. It was like a switch flipped once it started working though.

 

[newguy2]

I’m a woman who has used both test c and prop, recently went back to prop after trying cyp for a couple months. Initially I did prop daily and once I felt consistently good, I was able to switch to eod injx. I drop down 2 mg less for prop than cyp.

It took almost 6 weeks to notice a difference, a lot of women chase a feeling and get into trouble. It was like a switch flipped once it started working though.

Thank you for jumping in. Can I ask what your weekly dosing has looked like? At the beginning and has that changed?

 

[Anne Jectible]

I’m a woman who has used both test c and prop, recently went back to prop after trying cyp for a couple months. Initially I did prop daily and once I felt consistently good, I was able to switch to eod injx. I drop down 2 mg less for prop than cyp.

It took almost 6 weeks to notice a difference, a lot of women chase a feeling and get into trouble. It was like a switch flipped once it

Hey! Just curious why you switched from cyp to prop. I swear I can’t create the same feeling with cyp but I keep wondering if test is test should I just increase my dose until I get there. Or does the ester make you feel different?!

 

[Superchicken]

Thank you for jumping in. Can I ask what your weekly dosing has looked like? At the beginning and has that changed?

Sorry I missed this before, answering jic it matters. I’ve been up to 14mg a week, but ended up at 7mg a week now. I didn’t have any big negatives at the higher dose, just realized I was having T fluctuations and wasn’t comfortable with how high it was getting sometimes. I know some women are ok with supraphysiological levels, but no thanks. Mine was shooting up to upper quarter of the 100s.

Interestingly, I think the daily prop dosing is what lowered my SHBG into normal range, and made a lower T dose eventually work. SHBG’s still on the higher end of normal, but was above it before. My husband noticed a difference in overall mood when I switched from daily dosing, especially around my cycle, so I’m back to daily again.

Hey! Just curious why you switched from cyp to prop. I swear I can’t create the same feeling with cyp but I keep wondering if test is test should I just increase my dose until I get there. Or does the ester make you feel different?!

I’ve tried more than once and every time had a harder time with orgasm, libido fell, acne, and my mood was flat. With prop, the improvements are almost immediate. My guess is some women do better with a faster peak of free T and fall over steady state exposure, because of liver conversion. There are too many women who have the same experience for it to not be a thing. I like cyp for its convenience, but won’t try again.