I wish the guys I was speaking to like 6 months ago on here would chime in... They had a a simple explanation for the reasoning behind it.. as soon as I said something about it happening to me several times through the years, they started talking about the science behind it and what specific acid was being created by it breaking down.. I swear I didn't make any of this up, I'm sure you can imagine how many batches I must have purchased and had this happen to me in 15 years.. there was just somebody a couple weeks ago on here bitching about him buying raws and them showing up melted, and how he knew better,but he did it anyways ,and what he purchased,did the same thing, and he had to throw everything out. There's plenty of guys on here that's been through it and there's guys on here that know exactly what the f*** causes it.
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Melted raws
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I can tell you for sure if you cook it all at once it'll stay perfectly fine for years and years on end, that is the one thing I've noticed about this through all these years, It doesn't happen once it's bottled up, just when it's left sitting and allowed to melt for a decent amount of time
Pure test e will melt with the warmth of your fingers, You can rub it between your fingers and it will turn into an oil from just that amount of heat. So it will definitely melt in your bedroom or closet easy as hell in the summertime, I've had it happen so many times in 15 years , too many times to count. And it doesn't take a decade, one summer in that state in your closet and it's garbage.
,It's been many years my memory is bad, but I actually did take about 10 vials, And I cooked the s*** out of them in the oven thinking I had too much BA in there, And I could somehow evaporate all of it to bring down the concentration, I even took it out of the vials and put it in a beaker, thinking it would help with the evaporation process,however I didn't have any luck so I guess I did try what you did but it didn't work out the same way for me
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What I find rather curious, people keep not really believing that it happens, but every time they talk to somebody, they say just make sure you brew it all at once when you get it..lol, why should they brew everything at once? That's kind of the point of buying Raws, so you can keep them around and make them as needed not just cook them all up at once.
I wasn't doubting your experience. I've only brewed test e a few times, and it was worth a shot to tell you baking might help.
It may be a manufacturer having a bad method to creating test e. My story of brewing from melted was from 2010. Probably sourced through China, but it was from a long dead, large European supplier. I believe my next batch was melted also and was butter smooth when i went down to 2% BA. Test e was suggested over test c because it was easier to dissolve in oil. Zero people were talking about test e pip back then. I dk. I'll try to find the threads with more info. It's something that doesn't really make sense.
So I just did some searching with different keywords, heptonic acid,carbolic acid, oxidization, test e ,pip,etc It's a problem that started as long ago as 2010, They switched the chemicals they use to manufacture it, And they're getting a leftover product in it, delta something,and heptonic acid . Janoshik had melted test e raws sitting around for a long time, And he did a bunch of testing, And they do indeed degrade and get worse the longer they sit in a melted state.... Funny enough is the fact that he recommended recrystallization, which is a new topic that just popped up recently by scholarof brew ! He mentioned it many years ago, so it would seem to me that they could indeed be saved If you had a bad batch sitting around for a long time if you knew the right solvent to recrystallize test e ! And I'd imagine that's why nobody is replying about this thread, This is something people been arguing ever since the early 2000s It's been an old problem that's going on for a really long f****** time. They're not being washed correctly after being manufactured. So basically test e is a roll of the dice, And there's a good chance if you buy a batch of it and it melts you're pretty much f*****, unless it was manufactured with the old process and old chemicals, and from what I read in all the threads most people are just leaving it alone and have been doing so for a very long time and have moved to c and undeconate
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knucklesamich
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That does make a lot of sense. I had a coach once that said his favorite kind of Test is Test Enanthate. It's a little bit shorter of an ester than Test Cyp, a little bit less overhead. So you get a little bit more from it. He also said he notices less oily skin from Test E, so less likely to break out from it. He's not buying Test E though now, for the very same reasons we're talking about here. He's been at this for a long time too, since he was pretty young. So yeah, a change in the chems they use, that would explain a lot.
You can push C as high as 350mg with just BB, I've been doing it for a little bit, but it still crashes here and there, It has a high melting point.. I've just gotten used to it, I throw a bowl of water in the microwave for 3 minutes, pull it out while it's boiling, pop the vial in the water, Walk away for a couple minutes, come back shake it up good, And it's crystal clear.... Those vials are tough as hell, I've never had one crack on me yet, they take heat changes extremely well... I just like it because you can stock up on it, vac seal it and pretty much sit on it for a long time...I used E most of my life,I honestly can't tell a difference,but my body is different,I don't get side effects from anything,so i can't easily guage slight differences like some can. I don't get bloat,oily skin,hair loss,acne,etc.. tren is the only AAS I can even feel,and all I feel is intermittent hot flashes at most...
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Yeah it's been broken for a long time
TheScholarOfBrew
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If freezing raws is important to you. Put it inside a insulated container to buffer the freezing and dethaw cycles and it will be safe.
How much adderall do I need to take to break my return key?
Usually two pots of coffee does it.How much adderall do I need to take to break my return key?
eery
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That sounds right from what ive heard as well.
I havent heard much of any anecdotes in a while on people brewing enanthate be it good or bad, seems most just stay away from it like you said.
I wish we could see troublefree testosterone enanthate raws again.
whoremoan1
Member
what about sustanon?
just got some raws thats pretty much liquid....
does this mean its degraded and or will cause PIP?
just got some raws thats pretty much liquid....
does this mean its degraded and or will cause PIP?
IME, sustenance that liquifies and then becomes hard is PIP city. Only order it when it is cooler.
Of course now it does not matter as there is nothing to order.
knucklesamich
Member
MrTexas2 is right. You never know though. If it was me, I brew every bit of it and hope for the best. If there's PIP, damn, that sucks. Decide what to do from there. There's only one way to find out
anubisascended73
New Member
Lol test e melting in ambient temps does nothing to degrade the compound. You would need to heat above its degradation point. Put it in the freezer and problem solved
knucklesamich
Member
I don't know if that's what he's saying.
What a whole bunch of us are trying to say is, "If you buy Test E raws, you are gambling with having potentially wasted your money, because brother, when we say it's crippling/debilitating pip, if/when for whatever reason, it goes bad. We mean it."
It's not, "Ow that sucks." It's, "OH HOLY MOTHER OF GOD. WHAT HAS HAPPENED?" The pip is nuts my dude, I'm not exaggerating at all. When it goes bad, it is real F'ed up. Once it happens, what ever you have left will most likely hit the round file quick, because WYKYK.
The closest thing that I can compare it to is the pip that comes from some DHB. Bad Test E feels like a demon crawled in and is suddenly hammering away at ya. Check the forum here, just run a search you'll see. Lots of posts stemming from years ago too.
What a whole bunch of us are trying to say is, "If you buy Test E raws, you are gambling with having potentially wasted your money, because brother, when we say it's crippling/debilitating pip, if/when for whatever reason, it goes bad. We mean it."
It's not, "Ow that sucks." It's, "OH HOLY MOTHER OF GOD. WHAT HAS HAPPENED?" The pip is nuts my dude, I'm not exaggerating at all. When it goes bad, it is real F'ed up. Once it happens, what ever you have left will most likely hit the round file quick, because WYKYK.
The closest thing that I can compare it to is the pip that comes from some DHB. Bad Test E feels like a demon crawled in and is suddenly hammering away at ya. Check the forum here, just run a search you'll see. Lots of posts stemming from years ago too.
