kidney health

[DECLAN]

Ask yourself this, is your bg high? How about blood pressure? Diabetes first and hypertension 2nd are the most common cause of kidney disease aside some kidney injury or autoimmune or other disorders.

However, hydration and diet also plays a role on long term damage accrual.

I’ve had declining kidney values my last 2 blood work so I have gone through a little bit of digging on how to be on top of renal function lately.

Dante’s recommendations resonate since it’s geared towards lifters, athletes and especially bodybuilders. He suggests astralagus, pycogenol and grape seed extract combo.

However, one should be aware that you have to address all the issues first. Blood pressure, diabetes and obesity. Then stop drugs causing the problem and change lifestyle that cause problems in the first place.

Do not get on prescription medication right away, get blood work done first. Don’t listen to random wannabes in the internet too, do your confirmation and due diligence. Talk to a health professional to address your health issues.

If you’re healthy then by all means you can try the supplements that people who have anecdotal evidence and blood work to support improvements recommend.

 

[DECLAN]

The guy never listens. He recommends pharmaceuticals first, lifestyle and diet changes last (if at all). People who recommend pharmaceuticals that treat conditions you don’t have should be ignored.

Because it’s easier to sound knowledgeable and look like you are helpful by presenting a diagram and revert to poly pharmacy recommendations as long as you can name medications that fit the criteria by googling.

Nobody wants to talk about actually presenting evidence based recommendations anymore. Back in the day, nobody would listen to your suggestions unless you are vetted or have blood work to verify your claims.

I am not being pessimistic but people need to be critical in our approaches nowadays with all these misinformation spreading around and our ever growing abuse of the drugs either aas or not.

Let’s keep on being on top of our blood work and proceed on being proactive in harm reduction since our body dysmorphia and addiction to this lifestyle will also cause our inevitable demise if we don’t keep it in check.

 

[BamaCrazy]

Two basic types of people in a conversation like this. Those who seek to expand knowledge, and those who diminish, because they have nothing substantial to offer.

The argument by these clowns is that somehow, had this info not been presented, we'd be better off.

~80% of kidney injuries related to AAS have BP as the primary cause or major contributing factor.

~90% of injuries in non-diabetic, non-AAS users.

So how is this an unrelated to the topic?

Is "kidney support" only supposed to focus on the 10-20% of non-BP related causes on or off cycle?

OK, on cycle AAS cytotoxicity injures cells in the kidney directly. But this isn't what causes permanent kidney damage. It's the fibrosis scarring those poisoned cells lead to. Telmasartin inhibits fibrosis completely independent of BP reduction. That's one of half of dozen non-BP related renal protective effects of the combo I mentioned. I didn't discover this. It's probably one reason why Telm has been a preferred blood pressure med by BBs for years.

Or maybe we should only discuss "lifestyle" interventions, and not what actually works to prevent harm? Maybe if someone drinks enough water it'll dissolve kidney scar tissue.

The guy said he didn’t have high BP and you recommended a BP medication to protect his kidneys. You are the one who has nothing valuable to contribute because you are a retarded pharmaceutical addict. He doesn’t have kidney scar tissue or any kidney damage. You are so worthless. Your uneducated ChatGPT opinion is going to kill someone one day. Just STFU when it comes to other people’s health. You are the last person who should be giving medical advice.

 

[explodingHeart]

The guy said he didn’t have high BP and you recommended a BP medication to protect his kidneys. You are the one who has nothing valuable to contribute because you are a retarded pharmaceutical addict. He doesn’t have kidney scar tissue or any kidney damage. You are so worthless. Your uneducated ChatGPT opinion is going to kill someone one day. Just STFU when it comes to other people’s health. You are the last person who should be giving medical advice.

Please tell us how kidneys get damaged in BBers outside of high BP and high blood sugar? I've been asking this question endlessly. Since you're a kidney expert, I'd love to hear this answered.

Astralgus doesn't do shit, BTW. The only proven things to help are pharmaceuticals.

 

[just some dude]

Please tell us how kidneys get damaged in BBers outside of high BP and high blood sugar? I've been asking this question endlessly. Since you're a kidney expert, I'd love to hear this answered.

Astralgus doesn't do shit, BTW. The only proven things to help are pharmaceuticals.

first thing i do when i wake up is slam 2 grams of metformin xr , fuck that

 

[explodingHeart]

Ask yourself this, is your bg high? How about blood pressure? Diabetes first and hypertension 2nd are the most common cause of kidney disease aside some kidney injury or autoimmune or other disorders.

However, hydration and diet also plays a role on long term damage accrual.

I’ve had declining kidney values my last 2 blood work so I have gone through a little bit of digging on how to be on top of renal function lately.

Dante’s recommendations resonate since it’s geared towards lifters, athletes and especially bodybuilders. He suggests astralagus, pycogenol and grape seed extract combo.

However, one should be aware that you have to address all the issues first. Blood pressure, diabetes and obesity. Then stop drugs causing the problem and change lifestyle that cause problems in the first place.

Do not get on prescription medication right away, get blood work done first. Don’t listen to random wannabes in the internet too, do your confirmation and due diligence. Talk to a health professional to address your health issues.

If you’re healthy then by all means you can try the supplements that people who have anecdotal evidence and blood work to support improvements recommend.

Dante recommends trash supplements (that he sells) for BP reduction or LDL reduction instead of proven drugs.

He's open about hating using drugs for BP reduction.

 

[DECLAN]

Dante recommends trash supplements (that he sells) for BP reduction or LDL reduction instead of proven drugs.

He's open about hating using drugs for BP reduction.

Lol where did you see these? He’s actively encouraging people to stop abusing drugs and changing lifestyle plus he is recommending vitamin shoppe brand astralagus not even his own company. If you have to make claims like that please show us the source.

I know he has his personal distaste for doctors but I have not seen him recommend not taking bp meds. I’ve been following his posts since I’ve been on these boards.

 

[explodingHeart]

Lol where did you see these? He’s actively encouraging people to stop abusing drugs and changing lifestyle plus he is recommending vitamin shoppe brand astralagus not even his own company. If you have to make claims like that please show us the source.

I know he has his personal distaste for doctors but I have not seen him recommend not taking bp meds. I’ve been following his posts since I’ve been on these boards.

He posted on reddit how drugs are bad and to take supplements first, instead.

IN FACT here's the exact fucking post:


View: https://old.reddit.com/r/steroids/comments/klj7h3/discussion_prescription_medshow_not_to_die_early/ghcre1r/


Now can you fuck off Chasing ghoul around? He actually had some good info here.

Pharma is the only thing proven to protect kidneys. If a shitty supplement actually worked, it would be a fucking drug.

 

[just some dude]

terribly worded advice but hey it’s nothing new older guys telling younger guys to wait until last minute and that they’re “too young” for health issue prevention whether they say it directly or not that’s how they feel

 

[just some dude]

He posted on reddit how drugs are bad and to take supplements first, instead.

IN FACT here's the exact fucking post:


View: https://old.reddit.com/r/steroids/comments/klj7h3/discussion_prescription_medshow_not_to_die_early/ghcre1r/


Now can you fuck off Chasing ghoul around? He actually had some good info here.

Pharma is the only thing proven to protect kidneys. If a shitty supplement actually worked, it would be a fucking drug.

 

[DECLAN]

He posted on reddit how drugs are bad and to take supplements first, instead.

IN FACT here's the exact fucking post:


View: https://old.reddit.com/r/steroids/comments/klj7h3/discussion_prescription_medshow_not_to_die_early/ghcre1r/


Now can you fuck off Chasing ghoul around? He actually had some good info here.

Pharma is the only thing proven to protect kidneys. If a shitty supplement actually worked, it would be a fucking drug.

Damn, is that how you interpret his post? It’s evident you don’t get what he is trying to impart.

Maybe go suck ghoul’s dick and go just take your drugs to fix whatever side effects you encounter. Nobody is saying don’t take the proper drugs to help yourself, they’re just saying get the root problem out before you resort to these drugs.

Holy shit, is that concept hard to grasp? Instead of using bp meds why can’t you just stop using tren or lower your dose, your kidney values are bad stop your cycle or nsaid then retest. But no, you and your boy friend need to just take all the medications first just to keep abusing drugs.

Jeez, no wonder you’re name is exploding heart lol.

 

[BamaCrazy]

Please tell us how kidneys get damaged in BBers outside of high BP and high blood sugar? I've been asking this question endlessly. Since you're a kidney expert, I'd love to hear this answered.

Astralgus doesn't do shit, BTW. The only proven things to help are pharmaceuticals.

Who said I was a fucking kidney expert?? Do you lack basic reading comprehension fucknuts? I said he shouldn’t be recommending BP pharmaceuticals for someone with normal BP and no kidney issues.

If you want to take unnecessary drug's, go ahead. But to suggest that others do so is reckless and irresponsible.

 

[Ghoul]

Please tell us how kidneys get damaged in BBers outside of high BP and high blood sugar? I've been asking this question endlessly. Since you're a kidney expert, I'd love to hear this answered.

Astralgus doesn't do shit, BTW. The only proven things to help are pharmaceuticals.

Hysterical. All I did was answer the question about what MY protocol for kidney protection is. That WAS the OPs question. Choosing BP meds that offer significant, specific, direct kidney protective effects instead of others that don't was my approach. People with no need for BP reduction can't use this method. No shit. Who are you "protecting" by pointing this out? Some functional retards like yourselves?

Notice none of the loudmouth clowns can actually answer the question of how steroids = kidney damage.

Long term steroid users who haven't done the basic research to know what they need to protect their kidneys from, or how to do it, are such responsible AAS users they feel qualified to swoop in here as harm reduction heroes.

Feigning shock and horror about the terrible "harm" they could cause because they're "unnecessary pharmaceuticals".

Wow such formal language, so scary. "Pharmaceuticals".

On a site where the primary discussion revolves around the consuming underground lab produced drugs in huge amounts, a necessity of course, these bp meds are the "real harm" and they just had to speak up.

I wonder if any of them could tell us the difference between a pharmaceutical and a supplement?
Pretending these well documented, benign "pharmaceuticals" are hugely risky (compared to unregulated, unproven "supplements", which are perfectly safe).

Back to the question at hand. I know I can answer accurately, because I can read, understand, and interpret nuanced concepts, but since these harm reduction jihadi's are totally sincere and not just motivated to come up with any bullshit they can muster to justify their pathetic, impotent hatred for me, let's see if any of them can "ChatGPT" their way to an accurate answer.

I'll bet they can't.

So come on harm reduction heroes. What is the specific connection between steroid use, kidney damage and how can they be protected?

 

[BamaCrazy]

Hysterical. All I did was answer the question about what MY protocol for kidney protection is. That WAS the OPs question. Choosing BP meds that offer significant, specific, direct kidney protective effects instead of others that don't was my approach. People with no need for BP reduction can't use this method. No shit. Who are you "protecting" by pointing this out? Some functional retards like yourselves?

Notice none of the loudmouth clowns can actually answer the question of how steroids = kidney damage.

Long term steroid users who haven't done the basic research to know what they need to protect their kidneys from, or how to do it, are such responsible AAS users they feel qualified to swoop in here as harm reduction heroes.

Feigning shock and horror about the terrible "harm" they could cause because they're "unnecessary pharmaceuticals".

Wow such formal language, so scary. "Pharmaceuticals".

On a site where the primary discussion revolves around the consuming underground lab produced drugs in huge amounts, a necessity of course, these bp meds are the "real harm" and they just had to speak up.

I wonder if any of them could tell us the difference between a pharmaceutical and a supplement?
Pretending these well documented, benign "pharmaceuticals" are hugely risky (compared to unregulated, unproven "supplements", which are perfectly safe).

Back to the question at hand. I know I can answer accurately, because I can read, understand, and interpret nuanced concepts, but since these harm reduction jihadi's are totally sincere and not just motivated to come up with any bullshit they can muster to justify their pathetic, impotent hatred for me, let's see if any of them can "ChatGPT" their way to an accurate answer.

I'll bet they can't.

So come on harm reduction heroes. What is the specific connection between steroid use, kidney damage and how can they be protected?

Shut up ChatGhoulPT. Your tired lame word vomit is so tiring. Seriously. Nobody is reading all that shit. You need to start providing Cliff Notes explaining why you are addicted to prescription drugs and smarter than everyone else. Your answer to everything is either filtering or prescription drugs. So predictably stupid.

Now redeem your stupid ass and go promise to donate to the GH testing you humongous fraud.

 

[Ateam2023]

Hysterical. All I did was answer the question about what MY protocol for kidney protection is. That WAS the OPs question. Choosing BP meds that offer significant, specific, direct kidney protective effects instead of others that don't was my approach. People with no need for BP reduction can't use this method. No shit. Who are you "protecting" by pointing this out? Some functional retards like yourselves?

Notice none of the loudmouth clowns can actually answer the question of how steroids = kidney damage.

Long term steroid users who haven't done the basic research to know what they need to protect their kidneys from, or how to do it, are such responsible AAS users they feel qualified to swoop in here as harm reduction heroes.

Feigning shock and horror about the terrible "harm" they could cause because they're "unnecessary pharmaceuticals".

Wow such formal language, so scary. "Pharmaceuticals".

On a site where the primary discussion revolves around the consuming underground lab produced drugs in huge amounts, a necessity of course, these bp meds are the "real harm" and they just had to speak up.

I wonder if any of them could tell us the difference between a pharmaceutical and a supplement?
Pretending these well documented, benign "pharmaceuticals" are hugely risky (compared to unregulated, unproven "supplements", which are perfectly safe).

Back to the question at hand. I know I can answer accurately, because I can read, understand, and interpret nuanced concepts, but since these harm reduction jihadi's are totally sincere and not just motivated to come up with any bullshit they can muster to justify their pathetic, impotent hatred for me, let's see if any of them can "ChatGPT" their way to an accurate answer.

I'll bet they can't.

So come on harm reduction heroes. What is the specific connection between steroid use, kidney damage and how can they be protected?

@Ghoul According to chat gpt ,, CHuMP!!,,, ,,, Start at bottom and work up, these are in reverse order for those interested,,

 

[Ateam2023]

Do i look like a smart guy now Ghoul,? can i click up with you homie?. Ride or die man ,,

 

[explodingHeart]

Holy shit, is that concept hard to grasp? Instead of using bp meds why can’t you just stop using tren or lower your dose

I'm on TRT. Most people in my height and age range have high BP.



A huge chunk of elite athletes have high bp. Simply because of their size.

Kidney supplements are outright scams. Especially the ones that Dante recommends to take first instead of taking a BP med.

 

[explodingHeart]

terribly worded advice but hey it’s nothing new older guys telling younger guys to wait until last minute and that they’re “too young” for health issue prevention whether they say it directly or not that’s how they feel

It's always older guys "gate keeping" preventive measures and implying it's a moral failing if you have to take a BP med or statin.

Yet the vast majority of America has high BP, even tall, skinny elite athletes.

They're essentially using a forum to brag about their genetics, saying how they don't need a BP med because they're not "weak" like you.

 

[DECLAN]

It's always older guys "gate keeping" preventive measures and implying it's a moral failing if you have to take a BP med or statin.

Yet the vast majority of America has high BP, even tall, skinny elite athletes.

They're essentially using a forum to brag about their genetics, saying how they don't need a BP med because they're not "weak" like you.

Who’s saying don’t use bp meds? I am on telmisartan already. I thought op is asking for kidney support.

Is 40 old already? How old are you?

Nobody is saying don’t use prescription drugs if you need to but to incorporate it when you don’t need it is stupid. You’re blinded by your bias you’re not even trying to understand what you’re reading anymore.

I’m out.

 

[Eddie.]

Who’s saying don’t use bp meds? I am on telmisartan already. I thought op is asking for kidney support.

Is 40 old already? How old are you?

Nobody is saying don’t use prescription drugs if you need to but to incorporate it when you don’t need it is stupid. You’re blinded by your bias you’re not even trying to understand what you’re reading anymore.

I’m out.

Amen, why is it so hard for some guys to understand? No one said don't take meds if you need them but in absence of high blood pressure discussing on taking a bp med to prevent kidney damage is effing ridiculous.

I did an experiment myself with those drugs and I've almost passed out. I had high RHR with low BP and just a couple days on low dose nebivolol it dropped my diastolic to 42.

So first things first, if you have high blood pressure and you care about your kidneys then yes, taking a BP med is the best thing to do. Do you have a high BG as well? Perhaps something like sglt 2 will help further. Do you have normal BP and normal BG and you care about your kidneys? Then relying on supplements is the only option besides fixing all the diet and hydration parameters.