just some dude
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you will be fine… it doesn’t seem like it’s gonna get any better judging alone by this not being a single source problem. so, might as well use the filtering syringe and hold on for the ride. another rabbit hole to go down lol
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Ghoul
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You shouldn't, it's a problem of some kind. Manufacturing, storage temps... something causing unfolding of the rHGH.
At the least it's wasted peptide, because in aggregated form it's inactive*
* (it doesn't actually reduce the amount of product very much. If there's a Jano test, that's done post filtration anyway, so you're seeing what's left after the aggregate cloud is removed)
But without filtering. under certain circumstances, visible or invisible, aggregates reduce the effectiveness of the peptide.
At worst it presents health threats to varying degrees.
And it doesn't take a lot of imagination to believe cheap ass Chinese vials don't likely comply with USP standards for being free of particulates like glass and rubber.
Anyway, even without all the specifics, common sense would tell you it's probably a good idea to remove as much of the stuff that's not the peptide out of what you're injecting into your body on a daily basis.
Like I said, the first time a syringe filter completely clogs with invisible contaminants on a "clear" vial is an eye opener.
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just some dude
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see.. that’s 3 different sources now.. same problem (inserted quote is from opti’s thread)
just some dude
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shit without your posts i would’ve been confused on the “plastic” bac water vials and the cloudy peptides , awesome , thanks
CarvinDC125
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Been using their GH since February.
Out of the 18 vials I’ve used so far only one was slightly cloudy. I used it anyway and didn’t run into health issues.
So far I’ve been really happy with the quality and price.
I’ll definitely order some filters when I get paid again. I have 3 months worth left to use from them
Out of the 18 vials I’ve used so far only one was slightly cloudy. I used it anyway and didn’t run into health issues.
So far I’ve been really happy with the quality and price.
I’ll definitely order some filters when I get paid again. I have 3 months worth left to use from them
CarvinDC125
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This has been my experience. I just upped my dose to 3iu once a night before bed. Been on it since feb.
I just got in a new order this week
240iu kit.
There was a difference in storage packing this time. Normally it’s in a plastic case but this time it came in a paper box similar to what I’ve had from other sources.
Not sure why the change but the price was a little cheaper at $90.00 for 240iu so no complain
My last kit was 150iu. Blue tops It came in their normal plastic case. Only one vial of the 10 was slightly cloudy it didn’t cause me any injection site issues.
Not sure why the new batch came in paper box except maybe huge demand.
You can’t beat $90.00 for 240ius!
I once paid $400.00 for 140ius from platinum. Supposedly his are better than pharmaceutical grade but still hard to pay that much anymore when you know you can get nearly just as good GH nearly 8x cheaper
TheCup
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Hi lad, people suggest looking at threads, just want to add to that (It's my belief anyways) that some of these Chinese companies service thousands of people, and it's always the unlucky ones or the most unadjusted types that dominates these threads ... a few bad experiences is not given to be the something you can count on... After having them recommended in a thread in here, II personally went to their discord and talked with people ... and that made me choose them to try out, now QSC is no more.
I just made my first order from them myself ... so can't say how good they will be yet, but their products looks well tested by janoshik and I expect same quality as QSC.
Remember all these HGH can have minor dimmer, and if it's protein left overs they can provoke a reaktion (some filters them, I don't really have the setup or patience for that, and it seems the quality is quite high). also know that Chinese products seldom have the mannitol/glycine/arginine that pharma hgh does. This has nothing to do with SA but is for all compounded HGH in general in my experience.
I just made my first order from them myself ... so can't say how good they will be yet, but their products looks well tested by janoshik and I expect same quality as QSC.
Remember all these HGH can have minor dimmer, and if it's protein left overs they can provoke a reaktion (some filters them, I don't really have the setup or patience for that, and it seems the quality is quite high). also know that Chinese products seldom have the mannitol/glycine/arginine that pharma hgh does. This has nothing to do with SA but is for all compounded HGH in general in my experience.
TheCup
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Lad it cost almost nothing to produce HGH in China today. If you think you get some sort of extra amazing quality because you pay a middle man 80 x the price, then good for you, enjoy the placebo.
I have not tested SA's GH yet, but I had QSC tested in severals labs here in Ireland, and the only difference between my former pharma HGH was filtration and that the Chinese is raw aka without mannitol... I'm in pro BB and switched to Chinese HGH many years ago, saved me like a lambo a year.
CarvinDC125
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This is spot on.
I was reading the other day an article that said 97% of “domestic” sellers are actually buying from places like SSA then adding their own label and selling them as “domestic” at upwards of 1000% markup.
And 97% is actually being generous. Some argue that there may literally be less than 4 places world wide that produce HGH outside of China.
I personally have used SSA exclusively for over two years. I lost 110 pounds on their tirzepatide and I have been using their GH since February with no filters and have nothing but good things to say about it.
I personally will continue to use them for my HGH and PED needs for as long as they are selling quality products that work.
At least for now I personally have not gotten anything bad from them in the 2 years I’ve been using them.
Ghoul
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The only difference was filtration and all the ingredients that prevent rapid deterioration by controlling ph, etc?
How bio active was it, compared to the pharma range of 2:7 to 3 iu per mg?
How about the cloudy stuff? Was that just like pharma too?
TheCup
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Aye, I’ve been on HGH myself for near 20 years now, wouldn’t claim to be a chemist, not at all, but I had a few mates here in Ireland who are, take a look at it. They didn’t see anything dodgy, I have never had an infection from using these products.
Bit of cloudiness looked much like pharma-grade, likely from lyophilisation, freeze damage, or how the water was added. Nothing seemed off to me.
As for bioactivity, we didn’t lab-test it. Pharma usually includes stabilisers and buffering agents to keep pH and structure in check, so it’s not really fair to compare 1:1. But if it’s handled right, i’d expect it to fall within that 2.7 to 3 IU/mg range. Nothing pointed to it being weak or unstable.
Some minor breakdown over time is normal, sure , but even after 10–14 days in the fridge, the loss was small, maybe 5–10%. All this can cause a few floaters, but it’s in my view harmless unless the whole vial turns murky.
As for filtering it after? Wouldn’t go near it. You run that through a 0.22 micron filter and you’ll wreck the bloody peptide. If it looks clean and mixes right, best leave it be.
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CarvinDC125
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I was just think this.
If it’s really cloudy it might be best and cheaper to just grab a new vial.
Filtering it might indeed damage the GH.
I could be wrong but I think getting GH or any peptide the way we get them from SSA and others where it comes lyophilized then we reconstitute with BAC makes for a cleaner medication. Big pharma adds stabilizers, and other chemicals to preserve longer but I believe some of what they use can do more harm than good. That’s just my personal opinion. Everyone can do what they want and purchase from where they want of course.
Lypholized can still have excipients, stabilizers/ph buffers etc. Some of the vendors stopped adding them though because then people would complain the purity on jano tests were coming back 92%, 94% etc
Ateam2023
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Please explain this statement? I very curious to say the least, i thought all hgh has to have some sort of "cut" as the actual amounts of raw hgh is very little,, tia
Ghoul
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Filtering with a .22mm PES syringe filter does not damage rHGH.
Cloudy rHGH *is* damaged rHGH, that just happens to be damaged in a way that's visible to the unaided eye. But the vast majority of the time, the same damage would not be visible and appear as a clear vial.
Ateam2023
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so Carvin just dont do cloudy hgh, Vials are so cheap that tossing a cloudy vial isn't or SHOUD NOT be a second thought, or you could spend time fn with filtering, (nothing wrong with that) ,,
AlexDavis43
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He's repeating a rumor someone said here (guess who).
It wouldn't make sense for a vial to have only GH because 3 mg would be practically invisible compared to the big ass pucks we see.
They all have additives that don't artificially reduce Jano-tested purity because otherwise they'd be WAY less pure. The vials contain mainly additives.
CarvinDC125
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Got it.
Luckily I’ve only had one vial that was slightly cloudy. Not even that bad.
Nothing like what I’ve seen before with pic people have posted where it almost looks like watered down milk. Mine could have just been the glass itself for all I know.
Anyway if I ever get one that has floaters in it or cloudy again I’ll likely just toss it. Less than $10.00 a vial. I’ll be fine lol
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