Finished product (GCMS) vs Raws + Finished product testing

[TheScholarOfBrew]

It's a pity but the thread has completely derailed by people trying to draw attention to their thread.

Have reported my own thread.
Hopefully it gets locked or deleted.

I'm sorry you feel like this was intentional. I simply wanted to present an alternative to your question. However, I do believe we did get your question answered. If not, yes.... test the raws. You get purity; you can then properly dose it. If you test the oil, you're not testing for purity.. you're testing if it's dosed right. It's always ideal to test the raws first.

 

[OG_Brewer]

Me personally I just ordered a KG of test enan powder from Eva-Hebei lianfu and am sending 1g of raw powder as well as a few ml of finished product to Jano for purity testing and finished product testing.

To me the $120 x 2 is a small price to pay for peace of mind that I am injecting what is supposed to be test enan even though the smell, texture and melting point was spot on.

 

[Photon]

I'm sorry you feel like this was intentional. I simply wanted to present an alternative to your question. However, I do believe we did get your question answered. If not, yes.... test the raws. You get purity; you can then properly dose it. If you test the oil, you're not testing for purity.. you're testing if it's dosed right. It's always ideal to test the raws first.

Me personally I just ordered a KG of test enan powder from Eva-Hebei lianfu and am sending 1g of raw powder as well as a few ml of finished product to Jano for purity testing and finished product testing.

To me the $120 x 2 is a small price to pay for peace of mind that I am injecting what is supposed to be test enan even though the smell, texture and melting point was spot on.

My post was never about whether the purity of raws should or should not be tested. My post was about how to go about doing it.

Lets put it in simpler terms.

(1) You test purity by sending a 1g sample. It comes back at a certain %. It doesn't mean much.

vs

(2) You dissolve 5g in 5ml of guaiacol/bb. You then fill it up to 10ml with guaiacol/bb after it the raw has dissolved and send all 10ml for HPLC.

You have 10 ml of liquid.
You have 5g of raw dissolved in it.
You have mg/ml per HPLC.
You have the displacement.

Can you get the purity?
With 5g, it is more accurate.
If its contaminated with another product, it shows in HPLC.

You pay 120$ for either (1) vs (2).
Which is more accurate and useful?

There's batches of primo raws now that seems to be either cut or contaminated by other products, which test will it show up in?

What is 1g out of a 1kg of Test E?
I would test at least 10g. Price is the same. $120.

 

[OG_Brewer]

My post was never about whether the purity of raws should or should not be tested. My post was about how to go about doing it.

Lets put it in simpler terms.

(1) You test purity by sending a 1g sample. It comes back at a certain %. It doesn't mean much.

vs

(2) You dissolve 5g in 5ml of guaiacol/bb. You then fill it up to 10ml with guaiacol/bb after it the raw has dissolved and send all 10ml for HPLC.

You have 10 ml of liquid.
You have 5g of raw dissolved in it.
You have mg/ml per HPLC.
You have the displacement.

Can you get the purity?
With 5g, it is more accurate.
If its contaminated with another product, it shows in HPLC.

You pay 120$ for either (1) vs (2).
Which is more accurate and useful?

There's batches of primo raws now that seems to be either cut or contaminated by other products, which test will it show up in?

What is 1g out of a 1kg of Test E?
I would test at least 10g. Price is the same. $120.

If the test required 10g then I would send 10g but the Jano site and email confirmation clearly states how much of each (raw powder and oil) to send in for lab test.

 

[TheScholarOfBrew]

Me personally I just ordered a KG of test enan powder from Eva-Hebei lianfu and am sending 1g of raw powder as well as a few ml of finished product to Jano for purity testing and finished product testing.

To me the $120 x 2 is a small price to pay for peace of mind that I am injecting what is supposed to be test enan even though the smell, texture and melting point was spot on.

I contacted them they have zero raws but i hope your raws come back good bro

 

[Sampei]

My post was never about whether the purity of raws should or should not be tested. My post was about how to go about doing it.

Lets put it in simpler terms.

(1) You test purity by sending a 1g sample. It comes back at a certain %. It doesn't mean much.

vs

(2) You dissolve 5g in 5ml of guaiacol/bb. You then fill it up to 10ml with guaiacol/bb after it the raw has dissolved and send all 10ml for HPLC.

You have 10 ml of liquid.
You have 5g of raw dissolved in it.
You have mg/ml per HPLC.
You have the displacement.

Can you get the purity?
With 5g, it is more accurate.
If its contaminated with another product, it shows in HPLC.

You pay 120$ for either (1) vs (2).
Which is more accurate and useful?

There's batches of primo raws now that seems to be either cut or contaminated by other products, which test will it show up in?

What is 1g out of a 1kg of Test E?
I would test at least 10g. Price is the same. $120.

What do you mean it doesn't mean much lol

You got purity of the raw that's what you wanna know.

 

[Photon]

What do you mean it doesn't mean much lol

You got purity of the raw that's what you wanna know.

The purity of 1g you sent in yes, but it may or may not be reprensentative of the entire bag of raw you received.

You don't know if your product is cut and if the unpure portion is a different compound. You also don't get a clear idea..with just 1g of product (Of course this depends on what % 1g is, of what you purchased). By sending in just 1g of sample, we're assuming that the 1g sample is representative of the entire bag of raw.

1g/1kg is 0.1%.

It's much clearer with the second approach.

 

[Sampei]

The purity of 1g you sent in yes, but it may or may not be reprensentative of the entire bag of raw you received.

You don't know if your product is cut and if the unpure portion is a different compound. You also don't get a clear idea..with just 1g of product (Of course this depends on what % 1g is, of what you purchased). By sending in just 1g of sample, we're assuming that the 1g sample is representative of the entire bag of raw.

1g/1kg is 0.1%.

It's much clearer with the second approach.

Just mix your bag, I mean what's the chances you are just taking the part that is of one substance and missing completely the other if it's allegedly mixed together?

 

[Photon]

Just mix your bag, I mean what's the chances you are just taking the part that is of one substance and missing completely the other if it's allegedly mixed together?

If someone cuts something expensive with something cheap.
Primo with Test.

And you mix, you send it in, you get purity %.
Does it show if Test is present?

It does in approach #2.
And you use a larger sample.
You can use 5 x 1g samples, fill to 10ml, and send 10ml for HPLC.

 

[Sampei]

If someone cuts something expensive with something cheap.
Primo with Test.

And you mix, you send it in, you get purity %.
Does it show if Test is present?

It does in approach #2.
And you use a larger sample.
You can use 5 x 1g samples, fill to 10ml, and send 10ml for HPLC.

Of course it shows lol it will show you both substances

 

[Photon]

Of course it shows lol it will show you both substances

I was not aware.
I stand corrected.

Still, is #2 more accurate and will it work?
Is there any additional benefit than simply testing 1g? (I believe Jano actually uses alot lesser than 1g, which makes it worse in terms of accuracy. Min is 200mg)

 

[Sampei]

I was not aware.
I stand corrected.

Still, is #2 more accurate and will it work?
Is there any additional benefit than simply testing 1g? (I believe Jano actually uses alot lesser than 1g, which makes it worse in terms of accuracy. Min is 200mg)

Why don't you tag @janoshik or send him an email and ask him directly? He will.not eat you lol he is very nice and always ready to help squashing doubts

 

[Photon]

Why don't you tag @janoshik or send him an email and ask him directly? He will.not eat you lol he is very nice and always ready to help squashing doubts

Will post in his thread, to see if my suggested method will serve as a better gauge.