When on TRT, HCG and HMG is the way to go. Enclo when you go fully off, the negative feedback loop you use during a PCT wont work well while youre on Testso with Test and Enclo at once youre burning money.
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Gotcha. I'll do the hcg and hmg until I get off. And then switch to enclomiphene
My large post from earlier is IMO the best way to do it. You can easily do it with less. Enclomiphene is the last one id change though. The previous response was just an easy way to deal with estrogen if you're doing something different. The enclomiphene is important in the mix for many reasons.
I'm basically 6 months ahead of you doing the exact same thing, and reading a lot on the topic. If you're a study reader, this is a good bunch of accumulated data.
Management of Male Fertility in Hypogonadal Patients on Testosterone Replacement Therapy - PMC
Testosterone is crucial in regulating several body functions in men, including metabolic, sexual, and cardiovascular functions, bone and muscle mass, and mental health. Therefore, optimizing testosterone levels in men is an important step to ...
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Here is an important study from people on low dose TRT gaining better fertility. It shows great results from running only low dose trt (a good amount lower than 150mg) with a SERM. (Enclomiphene is better than the nolva they use in the study.)
As a summary, just use 12.5-25mg per day of Enclomiphene along with whatever else you choose. It works. For some bro science, my 6 month journey has been done for a while now
So you would use the enclomiphene with the Trt hcg and Hmg. Does enclomiphene help with estrogen?My large post from earlier is IMO the best way to do it. You can easily do it with less. Enclomiphene is the last one id change though. The previous response was just an easy way to deal with estrogen if you're doing something different. The enclomiphene is important in the mix for many reasons.
I'm basically 6 months ahead of you doing the exact same thing, and reading a lot on the topic. If you're a study reader, this is a good bunch of accumulated data.
Management of Male Fertility in Hypogonadal Patients on Testosterone Replacement Therapy - PMC
Testosterone is crucial in regulating several body functions in men, including metabolic, sexual, and cardiovascular functions, bone and muscle mass, and mental health. Therefore, optimizing testosterone levels in men is an important step to ...
Here is an important study from people on low dose TRT gaining better fertility. It shows great results from running only low dose trt (a good amount lower than 150mg) with a SERM. (Enclomiphene is better than the nolva they use in the study.)
As a summary, just use 12.5-25mg per day of Enclomiphene along with whatever else you choose. It works. For some bro science, my 6 month journey has been done for a while now
That's the major function of enclomiphene. You should read up on it.
High estrogen is a negative feedback loop for your nuts producing testosterone. Having high androgens (testosterone) is another. Your nuts producing testosterone seems to be the biggest component of sperm count.
Edit: to answer your question, yes I would use it in any fertility mix you choose.
I appreciate that. Thank you. I will read. I have read about a lot of fertility stuff. But enclomiphene I have no experience with. Or rfsh. I’ll use the trt for a little then drop it. Seems as if the fertility drugs themselves will keep my T up
Ashwagandha does a bunch of things. I believe the function is mainly reducing stress, cortisol and inflammation though. Supposedly throwing ropes too lol. I haven't noticed much.
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You should care.....or you shouldn't do it. I'd come off of everything and live clean for atleast 6 months. You don't have too but if you're going to produce a baby you want it produced from the healthiest genetic information you can provide. So I wouldn't drink or take any medications or herbs if I could.
Come off and take Enclomiphene you'll be good.
You do need to make an analysis about the kid situation. They are great but you need money and time to be with them and to raise them correctly. In this world today, you certainly don't want to hand them over to other people and the state to raise them for you. That's what ends up happening to most people. You need to have a long term plan on how you will raise them.
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So an interesting development... my wife tested positive on the home pregnancy test twice, and I haven't started any of the protocols here yet to fix my f'd up sperm. She is getting a blood HCG test tomorrow. Should I be worried that she might be pregnant despite my sperm count/ quality? Lol
It's not always necessary to add fertility protocols. I had the same concerns wife wanted a baby. Took a couple months of trying but she got pregnant. The semen sample might have read low count and motility but unless it was shocking the chance is always there. 2 tests id be surprised if both were false positives.
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She got a blood HCG done too... positive
Id get an analysis done first if you have good count and motility just give it a normal run. 6 months is what is considered "normal" trying before most fertility clinicians will even consider. There's the option of going ugly hcg/hmg, but it may not be necessary.
Congrats? Lol, I was indifferent too, and thoughtout the pregnancy. Ours was just born in April but as time goes on and I bond more with her, the more I'm glad/ok we did it. Definitely a challenge at first but we've adapted quickly.
I'm just going run hmg and hcg for a while. With like 150 mg test. If estrogen gets high I'll throw in a dash of primo. If it doesn't happen in 6 months I'll drop everything clean out. Then dry enclomiphen solo with nothing. Then add back in hcg and hmg later with no trt. If that doesn't work I'll seek medical advice. Lol. Going to do 500hcg eod with 75hmg eod. 150 test prop 2-3iu gh. See how that goes.
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TRT (or blast) + enough proteins (over 2g/kg of LBM) + training heavy (mechanical tension) + recovering well (doing pauses, sleeping well, etc..) + hCG/HMG.
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What is the logic of telling your pituitary to put out FSH/LH and shooting FSH/LH at the same time?
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I don't know about enclo but clomiphene gave me permanent eye floaters. Don't risk it.
Hcg and LH are not the same. They just do a similar thing. There are multiple facets of putting your pituitary back to 100%.
The approach i listed was throwing every possible thing at your fertility. Staying on gear makes being fertile extremely hard so if you MUST stay on, a small approach doesn't work.
IMO enclomiphene is the best single fertility item we have access to. I went from borderline hypogonadal, to TRT for a year, to 900ng/dl on a 12.5mg/day of enclomiphene, and vitamins. Wife knocked up in just over 3 months.
Can you run enclomiphene solo with Trt? Does it affect estrogen at all?? Or are you saying the enclomiphene took you to 900 or the Trt did? Or both?
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