First cycle - test only

[Rippidy Dippidy]

Hey there, first post so cut me some slack.

I am currently 18yo, I know it may be too early but I dont care too much since I'm planning on doing the most basic cycle ever, so no side effects (hopefully). I am 186cm tall, 76kg and like skinny fat I guess, I got some gyno, probably like 20-20% bf.

I got my bloodwork done and I am not all that happy. I only have about 500ng/dl. I didnt measure free test, however I measured shbg and e2 and some other stuff, here is the bloodwork:

Total Test: 17.02 nmol/l
FSH: 1.95 mIU/ml
LH: 2.83 mIU/ml
Estradiol: 91 pmol/l
SHBG: 30.3 nmol/l
Prolactin: 385 mIU/L

I was planning on doing an test only cycle with an ai. I was thinking about test e at trt dosages of like 250 per week. Ai to reduce e2, its already too high anyways, but I'm unsure about dosages and what ai to take. Now I'm not sure what to do with pct, I was thinking of maybe enclo or hcg, I can get my hands on both although I think the hcg may even be cheaper not sure. I dont know what dosages to take tho and when to start taking it. Also, maybe some one can help me out with the duration of the cycle? I'm also unsure about that.


tl;dr I want to cycle test e at 250mg per week. Idk duration of cycle, idk dosages of ai and enclo/hcg. Would be nice if yall can help me out instead of bashing my idea <3

You’re 18 man… stay far away from any of this until you’re older …

 

[bonemass777]

You’re 18 man… stay far away from any of this until you’re older …

he wants facial bone growth

 

[youwhat?]

hgh for bonemass

Name checks out

 

[oldmanwilliams]

250mg is a joke. Be scientific and use atleast 600mg weekly from the Bhasin study. I'd do more than testosterone, like add in a DHT. People who tell you just to do testosterone for your first cycle, are kind of gate keeping, even if it is practical or logical advice. You might as well go hard. Check out Tony Huge mass blast.

 

[Rippidy Dippidy]

250mg is a joke. Be scientific and use atleast 600mg weekly from the Bhasin study. I'd do more than testosterone, like add in a DHT. People who tell you just to do testosterone for your first cycle, are kind of gate keeping, even if it is practical or logical advice. You might as well go hard. Check out Tony Huge mass blast.

Yeah but no.

 

[BigDadd7]

250mg is a joke. Be scientific and use atleast 600mg weekly from the Bhasin study. I'd do more than testosterone, like add in a DHT. People who tell you just to do testosterone for your first cycle, are kind of gate keeping, even if it is practical or logical advice. You might as well go hard. Check out Tony Huge mass blast.

What mate? Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to you. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.

 

[oldmanwilliams]

What mate? Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to you. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.

Yeah so tell the guy to do 250mg testosterone and shut himself down and barely get anything out of it...............tell me how that is smart.

 

[BigDadd7]

There are reasonable choices in between 250mg and jumping the shark like you suggest.

 

[oldmanwilliams]

There are reasonable choices in between 250mg and jumping the shark like you suggest.

Then what are these other reasonable choices? We have the Bhasin study showing 600mg is an excellent and tolerable dose that leads to substantial positive changes.

 

[BigDadd7]

Then what are these other reasonable choices? We have the Bhasin study showing 600mg is an excellent and tolerable dose that leads to substantial positive changes.

What about it? It was 40 men for ten weeks. Based on one small study, you're here recommending 18 year olds jump on 600 mg plus dht? What's wrong with you?

 

[oldmanwilliams]

What about it? It was 40 men for ten weeks. Based on one small study, you're here recommending 18 year olds jump on 600 mg plus dht? What's wrong with you?

I don't think 600mg of testosterone and some DHT is a big deal. It's going to give results.

 

[youwhat?]

That settles it fellas. Oldmanwilliams doesn’t think it’s a big deal, so go for it.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

I don't think 600mg of testosterone and some DHT is a big deal. It's going to give results.

Lol...

You listen to alot of YouTube don't you?

 

[IndividualMan]

I was in a similar position recently, started around 20yo, went light on the Androgens (just some subL powdered test base + DHT, some var and Tbol as well)

what i can tell you:
bone mass grows, Brow ridge gets thicker, jaw growth is noticeable, both bone and cheek muscle. however, this ONLY HAPPENED WITH SUBL APPLICATION for me. As soon as i switched to injectable Test E, the facial Viralisation stopped. the bone mass gains stayed, general muscle mass stayed, but facial gains only resumed once i added the SUBL application back in.

Injectable Test will NOT give you the results you want, especially at that dosage.
If you are serious about this (facial mass gains), get Raw test powder and raw DHT powder and apply Sublingually.

Do not be a pussy.
Do not half ass this and shut yourself down for a little 250 test cycle that gets you nowhere.
Use the right tools for your goal.
Either that, or listen to the other people in this thread and don't touch this stuff.

Anyway, don't follow through with your half-assed approach you pieced together from some retarded concepts planted in your head by some looksmaxx accounts ran by some mentally handicapped 16yo Indian kid.

 

[HUGE McBIGLARGE]

don't follow through with your half-assed approach you pieced together from some retarded concepts planted in your head by some looksmaxx accounts ran by some mentally handicapped 16yo Indian kid.

lol

 

[bonemass777]

Yeah so tell the guy to do 250mg testosterone and shut himself down and barely get anything out of it...............tell me how that is smart.

600mg will close his growth plates.. we have the potential to grow til early 20’s

 

[oldmanwilliams]

600mg will close his growth plates.. we have the potential to grow til early 20’s

True that he may be leaving growth potential on the table if he does a cycle now, but he said he is 186cm which is like 6'1 so he's already a big boy. Yes he could grow more and maybe he wants that. If he's concerned about reaching peak growth potential in height or overall skeletal growth then he shouldn't touch any hormones at all. Maybe he doesn’t realize that so it is good you mentioned it.

 

[Tr3nbal0n3]

Hey there, first post so cut me some slack.

I am currently 18yo, I know it may be too early but I dont care too much since I'm planning on doing the most basic cycle ever, so no side effects (hopefully). I am 186cm tall, 76kg and like skinny fat I guess, I got some gyno, probably like 20-20% bf.

I got my bloodwork done and I am not all that happy. I only have about 500ng/dl. I didnt measure free test, however I measured shbg and e2 and some other stuff, here is the bloodwork:

Total Test: 17.02 nmol/l
FSH: 1.95 mIU/ml
LH: 2.83 mIU/ml
Estradiol: 91 pmol/l
SHBG: 30.3 nmol/l
Prolactin: 385 mIU/L

I was planning on doing an test only cycle with an ai. I was thinking about test e at trt dosages of like 250 per week. Ai to reduce e2, its already too high anyways, but I'm unsure about dosages and what ai to take. Now I'm not sure what to do with pct, I was thinking of maybe enclo or hcg, I can get my hands on both although I think the hcg may even be cheaper not sure. I dont know what dosages to take tho and when to start taking it. Also, maybe some one can help me out with the duration of the cycle? I'm also unsure about that.


tl;dr I want to cycle test e at 250mg per week. Idk duration of cycle, idk dosages of ai and enclo/hcg. Would be nice if yall can help me out instead of bashing my idea <3

No disrespect but know absolutely nothing about gear and have no business using it. Your 18 and your natural Testosterone is in perfectly fine, within normal range.
Do you plan on having kids ??
Are you ok with potentially needing TRT for life ??

Those are questions you need to ask yourself before getting on Test. There’s guys who do 250mg cycles and can never restart there HPTA.
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My recommendation :

Use Enclomiphine & HCG only.
They won’t shut you down and they’ll bring your natural testosterone extremely high. I got my test up to 1570 ng/dl with just Enclo & HCG.
That’ll give you more than enough gains. Permanent gains. When you come off of it, those gains will stay with you, also if you really want to go hard throw in a sarm that is not going to shut you down and obliterate your blood work. ( S4 anderine ) or ( Osterine ) would give you like 1 years worth is gains in 2 months…

There’s absolutely no reason for you to get on Testosterone bro.
I’m 24 and I’ve never touched Gear or Testosterone yet I look better than the guys in the gym who abuse gear.

Just try Enclomiphine + HCG + Osterine.. You won’t regret it. Trust me when I tell you.
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But if you’re going to do it regardless of what any of us say. Read that below

1) Use Test “Enanthate” or “Cypionate” only for your first cycle.
No Test Propionate, No Sustanon.
2) ( DAILY Injections )
On 250mg per week you’re only injecting 1ml per week. I strongly recommend you do daily subcutaneous injections.
(0.14 ml daily on an insulin syringe)
3. ( HCG ON CYCLE )
HCG is not meant for post cycle therapy. HCG will further suppress your LH. You need to use HCG on cycle. 1000iu per week dived into 2 injections.
4. ( AI ) use “Aromasin”
You probably won’t need one at 250 mg per week. Especially if you’re injecting daily.
Don’t take an AI unless you actually run into high estrogen side effects. (Bloating, sore nipples, emotional) If you start with an AI off the jump you can potentially crash your estrogen. It’s much worse to have low estrogen then to have high estrogen.
5) Health. Do bloodwork. By blood pressure cuff and check on a daily basis. Also take a good Multi vitamin & Fish oil.
6) PCT (Nolvadex & Enclomiphine)
No HCG. Do your research on dosages for Enclo & Nolvadex.

 

[ThatGuyy312]

what i can tell you:
bone mass grows, Brow ridge gets thicker, jaw growth is noticeable, both bone and cheek muscle. however, this ONLY HAPPENED WITH SUBL APPLICATION for me.

you know, sublingual application sounds quite interesting with test and dht, I do have some questions though. Did you perhaps notice frame changes, like wider clavicles (not delt growth)? Did the dht make you loose hair, get oily skin, acne etc.?

Injectable Test will NOT give you the results you want, especially at that dosage.
If you are serious about this (facial mass gains), get Raw test powder and raw DHT powder and apply Sublingually.

If you dont mind, can you share the sources for raw test and especially dht powder?

 

[lukiss96]

While mfkers don't understand that first cycle is where the LEAST amount of shit is gonna make you explode even if you don't put in 100% of effort...

Yes Testosterone fucking only and even that 250mg which is a lot compared to natural is gonna make you grow like crazy. You can later up the dose if necessary, don't be so fixated like some dumb dumb watching youtube gurus and having no real experience saying shit.

Keep it so fucking simple do 5 weeks of 1cc = 250mg (most commonly available mg/ml variant), then up to 1.5cc if you feel like it and don't get the desired effect (all in your head though).

Don't be a dick and don't slack on your diet and train hard motherfucker. Push that every workout like your life depends on it.

Keep that same lbm gains (as the old man willy only ever reading Bhasin study and maybe understanding one third of it all) after all is said and done and you're after your pct phase and "natural" again pal. Come back and report.