Bocacolony
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Starting TRT at home, any help for first timer?
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Johnnan2880
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My trt clinic started me on 175 a week I had split in 2 pins a week and it seemed like to much. I’m thinking about trying 150 and working my way down. I had estrogen symptoms at 175 . like you I’m wanting to do it on my own. The clinic is too expensive for me so why I joined as well. Test c is what everyone tells me is most user friendly for trt since the half life is longer. I’d start there and like you I’m wondering about keeping a AI on hand in case symptoms come back. Best of luck
Johnnan2880
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I’m finding this to be more true everyday sine joining. Been a sponge on here
Bocacolony
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For anyone who might come across this thread and be asking the same questions I was, I've decided to start at 100mg /wk, every other day injections and wait 6 weeks before testing my blood again, and then considering adjusting dose up or down.
I will not do sub q, as it seems like it introduces too great of a variable, IM, EOD, with this schedule, no AI should be needed
Civdiv
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This is a solid plan. Just remember your hormones will be on a roller-coaster for a while so don't freak out if you feel great, then it fades to feeling off. Ride it out and stay with it for 6-8 weeks every time before you make adjustments. It's a good feeling once you get dialed in. Good luck!
Liftn4Life
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Agree. Most common I see is 200 mg every two weeks for TRT if you are going through a doc and not a clinic.
If doing on your own and the first time, I would start with 100 mg/week, run for a while and see where that puts you after a month, then adjust from there.
For those that I have seen with Total Test in the 300s like OP, the 100/week or 200 every two weeks will likely put you in the 600s.
Many years in the past every other week was pretty normal. But in my 25 years of Dr prescribed treatment Androgel is the preferred route for most Dr. to prescribe. Then 100mg/week is the most typical injection protocol.
My personal experience is 100mg/week is the norm for most Dr's. But for me on that dose my blood levels peak 2 days after injecting at around 1100, then drop to 450 on the next injection day.
I tend to think at least 2x a week leads to more stable level's I do daily which many do not care to do. But 15mg/day keep me in the low 800's with the top of the scale at 1000. 20mg/day puts me over the top of the range.
Generally it takes a drug 5 half lives to stabilize in the blood. The side effects from them may take a little longer to manifest.
My personal experience is 100mg/week is the norm for most Dr's. But for me on that dose my blood levels peak 2 days after injecting at around 1100, then drop to 450 on the next injection day.
I tend to think at least 2x a week leads to more stable level's I do daily which many do not care to do. But 15mg/day keep me in the low 800's with the top of the scale at 1000. 20mg/day puts me over the top of the range.
Generally it takes a drug 5 half lives to stabilize in the blood. The side effects from them may take a little longer to manifest.
Civdiv
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I started at once a week and there was a noticeable difference in how I felt throughout the week as test peaked, then E2 peaked a day or 2 later. I went to twice a week and now don't really notice any difference day to day whether I'm on 90mg/week or 190/wk. Definitely been an improvement. I've heard at higher doses, daily helps with hemocrit and E2 management but so far twice a week has worked for me. I might go more frequently when I blast later this summer but really trying to minimize pinning if I can.
Did you notice a significant difference pinning daily? Seems like a lot of work but it's obviously worth it to you and many other people.
I don't notice much of any difference in the short run with anything dose or schedule. My levels can be 500 or 1000 and i feel the same day to day. But in the longer term i recover better at higher levels. And as big fluctuations seem less natural i go with more stable levels.
Bocacolony
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Thanks for the feedback, I know it will take some getting used to and riding that rollercoaster, kind of nervous because I don't know what to expect, only words of caution. But the one thing I'm committing to no matter what, is keeping my dose the exact same for 6 weeks, and getting BloodWork. No adjustments on the fly.
This is Part of what's so nerve wracking, like getting it right the first time, kind of pressure. But from everyone's advice and all the professionals I've researched and listened to, starting conservatively is the best way to approach this.
Obviously, I want noticeable effects right away, so starting to low was a concern, especially considering sitting down my natural production, but getting benefits without needing any additional medications is much more important to me, than rushing into this. 600 total t sounds lower than I'd like to be, but at this point anything would be an increase and I'm more interested in doing this right long term, sustainably.
While sub q seems like an easy option, and more and more people are doing it, I'm not sure it's the route I want to go given it's strange variables with dispersing. I think I would rather IM and have tighter control.
The EOD plan for me is intended basically give all the same benefits of subQ daily. Honestly I didn't mind pinning everyday, but I think IM EOD is the perfect balance between both worlds..
At least this is what I believe from my research, but I will be the experiment soon and learn what's right for myself.
sub q give more stable level
is proved by manu studies
high injection frequency also help for more stable level
more stable level give lower e2 and lower hct
personally (i try this method since 5 years) switching from 2 injection week to injection eod gave 4 point less (from 50 to 46) of hct in the long term
is proved by manu studies
high injection frequency also help for more stable level
more stable level give lower e2 and lower hct
personally (i try this method since 5 years) switching from 2 injection week to injection eod gave 4 point less (from 50 to 46) of hct in the long term
Hey, i also am about to start my TRT after the first cycle of testE only for 14weeks, age 37, i got my gear and had first couple shots of 125 twice a week but the PIP is brutal, flu like symptoms and all. i was wondering if anyone can help me with a pharma grade gear here in canada please?
BigDadd7
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That's the test e. Switch to c.
AlexDavis43
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Find one that ships to Canada (many do and there are some with Canada warehouses) and check out their thread for recent feedback, ask any questions there
Will do, much appreciate it guys
TheJuiceIsLoose69
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Not true. I need an AI at 80mg a week, which offers me zero symptom reduction. Some people aromatize a ton for no apparent reason.
Wow that's rough, my TRT started at 200mg a week and e2 was 84 (scale ends at 40). Hoping that dropping to 120 solves it.
Curious do you run trt at a higher dose (than the 80) and just run an AI year round?
TheJuiceIsLoose69
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Yea I do, I run 175mg/w as it's what I need to feel a reduction of my symptoms.
I started with arimidex but it felt like a hormonal yo-yo, went to aromasin and was largely the same deal.
So far I have settled on low dose primo because it's much, much more stable for me.
I don't necessarily want to be on primo forever so I'm going to continue tweeking my protocol in hopes I can solve it.
My body seems to produce a fuck tonne of estrogen for whatever reason.
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