First Cycle (basically test only)

[inconsistencies]

Hey everybody this is my first post after joining a couple weeks ago and I intend to start my cycle in June. My test levels are around 300ng/dl, and I'm mainly looking to put on a good 10-15 pounds of muscle in this time frame (idk if this is doable or not).

Gonna run Test E for 15 weeks; first 5 weeks at 500mg and then 250mg for the next 10 weeks (since I have 2 vials and i am unable to do 20 weeks). I'm going to be pretty precautious as this is my first ever cycle, so I have measures to prevent sides (dut/telmisartan/aromasin).

I also want to run mk-677 but there are no good sources ATM. If somebody could help me out w/that it would be appreciated (I'm new here so I can't post in underground).

In terms of PCT I'm using enclomiphene/nolvadex for a month (more if need be) at the 17-18 week mark.

Should I change anything? Is there anything I could add which would be anabolic but not androgenic (I'm prone to hair loss among other sides)?

 

[Ghoul]

Yeah, switch to Test-C.

Test-E is asking for trouble with no advantage over C.

 

[inconsistencies]

Yeah, switch to Test-C.

Test-E is asking for trouble with no advantage over C.

Why? I'd be injecting both 2x a week for more stable sides anyways, so I might as well use the ester with a half-life closer to half a week. Also because I've never injected before I'm looking to make the experience as easy as possible, and I heard that Test E is less viscous and easier to inject than C.

 

[Ghoul]

Why? I'd be injecting both 2x a week for more stable sides anyways, so I might as well use the ester with a half-life closer to half a week. Also because I've never injected before I'm looking to make the experience as easy as possible, and I heard that Test E is less viscous and easier to inject than C.

Viscosity is primarily determined by the oil with E and C being nearly identical otherwise.

As to why to avoid E:

Post in thread 'Test E cycling'

Apr 21, 2025

Could you tell me why? Not to be rude just open to changes

How fucking rude are you?!

LOL, there's nothing rude about asking for details man.

Test-C is nearly identical to E in terms of effect. half life, etc.

However, something, still the subject of endless debate, changed in the way underground suppliers of Test-E raws manufacture it, which has led to countless complaints of injection site pain. Worse, even when it's initially painless, by some yet undetermined mechanism, it seems to degrade over time even in the finished oil product, producing not just pip (injection...

• Ghoul

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[inconsistencies]

Viscosity is primarily determined by the oil with E and C being nearly identical otherwise.

As to why to avoid E:

Post in thread 'Test E cycling'

Apr 21, 2025

Could you tell me why? Not to be rude just open to changes

How fucking rude are you?!

LOL, there's nothing rude about asking for details man.

Test-C is nearly identical to E in terms of effect. half life, etc.

However, something, still the subject of endless debate, changed in the way underground suppliers of Test-E raws manufacture it, which has led to countless complaints of injection site pain. Worse, even when it's initially painless, by some yet undetermined mechanism, it seems to degrade over time even in the finished oil product, producing not just pip (injection...

• Ghoul

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Thanks man

 

[dinfar1337]

Hey everybody this is my first post after joining a couple weeks ago and I intend to start my cycle in June. My test levels are around 300ng/dl, and I'm mainly looking to put on a good 10-15 pounds of muscle in this time frame (idk if this is doable or not).

Gonna run Test E for 15 weeks; first 5 weeks at 500mg and then 250mg for the next 10 weeks (since I have 2 vials and i am unable to do 20 weeks). I'm going to be pretty precautious as this is my first ever cycle, so I have measures to prevent sides (dut/telmisartan/aromasin).

I also want to run mk-677 but there are no good sources ATM. If somebody could help me out w/that it would be appreciated (I'm new here so I can't post in underground).

In terms of PCT I'm using enclomiphene/nolvadex for a month (more if need be) at the 17-18 week mark.

Should I change anything? Is there anything I could add which would be anabolic but not androgenic (I'm prone to hair loss among other sides)?

test e is like 10$ a vial, even domestic prices its not more than 20$, 30$ at the most expensive. if you're planning to do bloodwork like 2-3 months into cycle going down to 250mg is bad planning man

 

[inconsistencies]

test e is like 10$ a vial, even domestic prices its not more than 20$, 30$ at the most expensive. if you're planning to do bloodwork like 2-3 months into cycle going down to 250mg is bad planning man

I just can't do a 20 week cycle (time constraints) despite having 2 vials, so instead I'm doing 10 weeks at 250mg and 5 weeks at 500mg. Is it better to do the 500mg at the end of my cycle (if I'm comfortable/side effect free at 250mg)? The reason I'm doing it at the start is to frontload and get my test levels up quicker (so my cycle would be made more productive by a couple weeks).

 

[BigDadd7]

Do a little math and shorten the cycle to however many weeks you can get at 500/week. Dropping the dose is a mistake.

 

[inconsistencies]

Do a little math and shorten the cycle to however many weeks you can get at 500/week. Dropping the dose is a mistake.

That would be 10 weeks. Is that long enough to get the same amount of gains as I would with 250mg? And wouldnt 10 weeks be short considering the amount of time it takes for test to saturate fully?

Also the biggest reason I'm less inclined to run 500mg is how prone I am to hair loss. Everybody in my family (including the women) have or had hair loss, and I don't really want to have to use DHT-blockers at only 18. On 250mg, because its mild, I will just be using ketaconazole shampoo and that'll probably be enough. Any suggestions for preventing hairloss on 500mg without dut/fin?

 

[BigDadd7]

18.... ugh. You said your natural levels are at 300? Is this from a doctor or just feels like that?

500 test, even for 20 weeks, isn't going to put on 10- 15 keepable pounds. You'll get some water weight for sure. That will just piss away over the next month when you stop.

250 is a waste of time. It will bump you above natural levels, but it will shut your T down hard. You'll lose a lot of your gains when you come back off. You may only end up keeping 2-3 pounds of muscle. And PCT sucks after a cycle. It's depressing to watch all that water that was stored in your muscles flush out.

I know it's not what you want to hear, but I would wait until you can afford a real cycle, plus at least two blood tests, and some AI. You'll need bloodwork after saturation (~5 weeks) to make sure your estrogen isn't sky high, and then again a month later if you have to take an AI. Sky high estrogen is as bad as crashed estrogen. Too high and you'll hold water like crazy and start crying over lifetime movies. Too low and you'll feel like shit with possible E.D.

You're starting something here that can have consequences for the rest of your life. There's no need to rush this. While you read up, think it through, and save cash for the real cost of a cycle, buy a lot of burger and eat as much as you can while you crush it in the gym. You could easily put on 5 pounds of real muscle that you can keep in ten weeks.

This is the same kind of advice I gave to my boys when they came to me at your age.

 

[inconsistencies]

18.... ugh. You said your natural levels are at 300? Is this from a doctor or just feels like that?

At 240ng/dl from a blood test; my doctor said it was in normal range so she's not putting me on trt. It's quite obvious I am low test (harder to progress in the gym, lack a lot of dimorphic traits that I should have by 18) and I just want a cycle to essentially put me at where I would be with higher natural test (keep in mind I've been going to the gym for over a year already now).

It's depressing to watch all that water that was stored in your muscles flush out.

Is there any way I can minimize loss after coming off? Is it unavoidable so I should just try and make as MUCH gains as possible on cycle?

but I would wait until you can afford a real cycle, plus at least two blood tests, and some AI.

Cost is not an issue for me; I just have test/AI on hand so I wanted to see if I'd have to order more. The only reason I'm not hopping on a "real" cycle is because of how prone I am to hair loss. If getting on a real cycle is a necessity, what would you suggest that won't completely fuck my hair up?

I understand the consequences of what I am doing and I am prepared. I just need advice on running as effective of a cycle without making me norwood 3 lol.

 

[dinfar1337]

At 240ng/dl from a blood test; my doctor said it was in normal range so she's not putting me on trt. It's quite obvious I am low test (harder to progress in the gym, lack a lot of dimorphic traits that I should have by 18) and I just want a cycle to essentially put me at where I would be with higher natural test (keep in mind I've been going to the gym for over a year already now).

Is there any way I can minimize loss after coming off? Is it unavoidable so I should just try and make as MUCH gains as possible on cycle?


Cost is not an issue for me; I just have test/AI on hand so I wanted to see if I'd have to order more. The only reason I'm not hopping on a "real" cycle is because of how prone I am to hair loss. If getting on a real cycle is a necessity, what would you suggest that won't completely fuck my hair up?

I understand the consequences of what I am doing and I am prepared. I just need advice on running as effective of a cycle without making me norwood 3 lol.

in your case you shouldnt be coming off at all lol. even if you pct properly you are gonna retain fuck all muscle mass, just stay on trt as a minimum. 240 is borderline low.

 

[Psy-chonaut]

This is a marathon Mate, your weight might shoot up somewhere between 10-20 pounds the first time - but No worries , its only water. After pct it might settle to 5-8 pounds, if You are on point with training and eating enough..
Sorry if I burst your bubble…

 

[inconsistencies]

in your case you shouldnt be coming off at all lol. even if you pct properly you are gonna retain fuck all muscle mass, just stay on trt as a minimum. 240 is borderline low.

I'm pretty sure my HPTA is just fucked because in my bloods everything else is in range or above average besides my test. I have a friend in kinesiology and pharmacology at college who agrees with my hypothesis that Enclo/Nolva following my cycle could boost my test above what it was precycle.

 

[JuiceJohn]

brother I suggest you do some more research

 

[dinfar1337]

I'm pretty sure my HPTA is just fucked because in my bloods everything else is in range or above average besides my test. I have a friend in kinesiology and pharmacology at college who agrees with my hypothesis that Enclo/Nolva following my cycle could boost my test above what it was precycle.

well if your hpta is fucked before ever touching testosterone then a pct wont fix your brain not sending the right signals that would be a disease, i think you should do more research like @JuiceJohn says

 

[lukiss96]

While Test E is slightly stronger, it is best avoided for pip reasons.

Test C is currently the best I guess, as it's availability and price combined with slight pip is hard to beat.

You got it vice versa, start with 250mg/week and only then taper up, not with the higher dose and then lower...

 

[Liter O' Test]

if you are this worried or prone to hair loss do not do a cycle
especially with pct, you dont know what youre doing youre going, youll just come out with gyno and hairloss and no muscle after especially because of pct, why even pct at 300ngdl naturally

 

[inconsistencies]

Ok guys thanks for your help I will just be running MK-677 and Enclomiphene to boost my natural production of test/gh. If I'm not happy with my natty gains and my baseline test (once i'm off mk and enclo) I'll go on a real cycle. The vials I have right now wont expire until late 2026 so realistically i'll probably run a real cycle next summer.

 

[dinfar1337]

Ok guys thanks for your help I will just be running MK-677 and Enclomiphene to boost my natural production of test/gh. If I'm not happy with my natty gains and my baseline test (once i'm off mk and enclo) I'll go on a real cycle. The vials I have right now wont expire until late 2026 so realistically i'll probably run a real cycle next summer.

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