47 year old second cycle

[Dirthand]

I think the guys have given out some very solid advice. My short time in the forum i can tell you that Mac is one of the most respected humble guy in here. Obviously his advice is very valuable.
I am only a couple years behind you in age and inly started using AAS in my 40s, and before that I was very hard on my body with decades of drug, alcohol, and tobacco abuse. I will say I have had independent bloodwork dine about 14 times in the last 15 months and as reckless as I have been in some of my aas use overall just due to fair diet and good traing my health has improved greatly from my baseline blood markers.
I said all that to say this and possibly a whole bunch of people will disagree with me. You need to find yourself a very down to earth good Healthcare provider, one that you can be honest with about what you have going on. I'm not saying they will condone what you have going on but if you find the right one like I have they will work with you on keeping your health in check. I had a major surgery 7 weeks ago and while I was down and couldn't work my dr. Help me get a good check on my health ..
Cat scan of my lungs, ekg, echo cardiogram, stress test, heart cath, sleep study. I printed out all the bloodwork (the good ones and the bad ones) and she sat down and look at them and we talked about shit.
I would be the last one to suggest what ti take as a persin deffo should not mirror what I do, but the test /primo/gh option is a good one at low dose yeat around in my opinion. In a couple years that's what I will stick to with a possible small bit of nandrolone. Shit sorry for the ramble
Peace
DH

 

[Grandpa]

I think the guys have given out some very solid advice. My short time in the forum i can tell you that Mac is one of the most respected humble guy in here. Obviously his advice is very valuable.
I am only a couple years behind you in age and inly started using AAS in my 40s, and before that I was very hard on my body with decades of drug, alcohol, and tobacco abuse. I will say I have had independent bloodwork dine about 14 times in the last 15 months and as reckless as I have been in some of my aas use overall just due to fair diet and good traing my health has improved greatly from my baseline blood markers.
I said all that to say this and possibly a whole bunch of people will disagree with me. You need to find yourself a very down to earth good Healthcare provider, one that you can be honest with about what you have going on. I'm not saying they will condone what you have going on but if you find the right one like I have they will work with you on keeping your health in check. I had a major surgery 7 weeks ago and while I was down and couldn't work my dr. Help me get a good check on my health ..
Cat scan of my lungs, ekg, echo cardiogram, stress test, heart cath, sleep study. I printed out all the bloodwork (the good ones and the bad ones) and she sat down and look at them and we talked about shit.
I would be the last one to suggest what ti take as a persin deffo should not mirror what I do, but the test /primo/gh option is a good one at low dose yeat around in my opinion. In a couple years that's what I will stick to with a possible small bit of nandrolone. Shit sorry for the ramble
Peace
DH

Thank you. I’ve seen you around the underground. You seem to know your stuff too. I’m still exploring and trying to figure out the best places on here but I know this isn’t the place for that kind of talk so that’s all I’ll say. I hear primo is often faked so trying to be careful.

 

[Mrhairyman]

Thank you. My joints do hurt

I’ve read that Deca can cause mood issues and I’m already a grumpy old bastard. Is this a problem you are familiar with?

Deca @ high doses gives me anxiety, and Primo higher then 2:1 Test crashes my estrogen.
Don't over think it, it is very simple.
Respect the compounds and they will respect you. Don't abuse them and they wont abuse you.

Lowest effective dose is perfect for me

 

[Ateam2023]

Thank you. I’ve seen you around the underground. You seem to know your stuff too. I’m still exploring and trying to figure out the best places on here but I know this isn’t the place for that kind of talk so that’s all I’ll say. I hear primo is often faked so trying to be careful.

i've added 135 mg of npp to my 250 mg test c and 5 ius hgh and i definitely feel the added joint relief as well as being a little more"Full" , Recently added 200 mg of Mast e to combat the npp blues i was experiencing, and so far so good, , The Mast hasn't fully saturated i'm sure , but i do notice it ,,

 

[Ángel Ruiz]

Gracias. Te he visto por ahí. Parece que tú también sabes de lo que hablas. Sigo explorando y tratando de encontrar los mejores sitios por aquí, pero sé que este no es el lugar para ese tipo de charlas, así que eso es todo. He oído que a menudo falsifican a primo, así que voy con cuidado.

Hola abuelo.
Vamos a ver....
No eres ni vas a ser culturista, lo que quieres es un poco más de energía, un poco mejor físico y pocos efectos secundarios, (salud)
Necesitas análisis antes, ya los 2 meses y ver como estás.
3-4 ui hormona del crecimiento. Empieza por 2, sube poco a poco.
250 mg de testosterona.125+125 semanal.
200 mg primo/masteron semanal.
Solo pesa 70 kg, es suficiente por ahora.
Ya tendrás tiempo para ajustar según tus análisis y como te sientas

 

[fw190jd]

Deca @ high doses gives me anxiety, and Primo higher then 2:1 Test crashes my estrogen.
Don't over think it, it is very simple.
Respect the compounds and they will respect you. Don't abuse them and they wont abuse you.

Lowest effective dose is perfect for me

That's going to be my Approach, however if I was 30 again I try some more meaty stuff LOL

 

[Ouch]

In my early 40’s too and considering it’s only your 2nd cycle my best advice is to offer my fav (so far) wiseman’s cycle:

300 Test / 100 Primo weekly. I wouldn’t touch anything else yet, personally. And I’d stay really fucking far away from Deca.

Some say 2:1 ratio on test/primo but I found 3:1 to feel absolutely perfect.

 

[Regular Joe]

48 and i got no joint relief from deca at 120mg then 150mg for 3 months total. i never got full deca dick but it was harder to keep my dick and heart rate up together so no plans to use it again. i did feel like i was getting good pumps when working out but its hard on your brain and heart, not worth it to me. currently on 150test (guessing it puts me around 650-700 total test based on previous results) 120eq and 100 mast. eq and mast seem to balance each other out some, ive seen others call it poor mans primo. im dealing with prostate issues from seemingly any dose of test and playing with compounds to see iff i can find a combo for myself

 

[BeardedGuy]

But still for all of this… how long do the gains last assuming you go back down to test only, maybe Test/GH only…?

 

[fw190jd]

48 and i got no joint relief from deca at 120mg then 150mg for 3 months total. i never got full deca dick but it was harder to keep my dick and heart rate up together so no plans to use it again. i did feel like i was getting good pumps when working out but its hard on your brain and heart, not worth it to me. currently on 150test (guessing it puts me around 650-700 total test based on previous results) 120eq and 100 mast. eq and mast seem to balance each other out some, ive seen others call it poor mans primo. im dealing with prostate issues from seemingly any dose of test and playing with compounds to see iff i can find a combo for myself

Oh thanks for that reply that was really good to know I think I'm going to skip the DECA.
I was reading prednisone was good for joint pain relief and inflammation I'm meeting with my doctor on the 30th of this month to have a discussion about that as a possibility has anybody here ever tried Prednisone for joint pain?

 

[Regular Joe]

Oh thanks for that reply that was really good to know I think I'm going to skip the DECA.
I was reading prednisone was good for joint pain relief and inflammation I'm meeting with my doctor on the 30th of this month to have a discussion about that as a possibility has anybody here ever tried Prednisone for joint pain?

no but id like to. im hoping to see if an indian vendor has it in the underground here along with other supplies before all the loophole shut. ive found ibuprofen is still my favorite but i dont take it daily anymore. i do 1200mg before bed, id guess twice a week on average, mainly for my knees, no cartilage left.

 

[Dirthand]

no but id like to. im hoping to see if an indian vendor has it in the underground here along with other supplies before all the loophole shut. ive found ibuprofen is still my favorite but i dont take it daily anymore. i do 1200mg before bed, id guess twice a week on average, mainly for my knees, no cartilage left.

Every india pharma has prednisone, methypredisone, and methypredisone injections. I keep a large stock of these items.. my go to is pct24x7 but he just raised his prices are couple days ago. Either way... there ya go!!
Peace
D

 

[fw190jd]

Every india pharma has prednisone, methypredisone, and methypredisone injections. I keep a large stock of these items.. my go to is pct24x7 but he just raised his prices are couple days ago. Either way... there ya go!!
Peace
D

Well how do you like the Prednisone for inflammation and joint pain that was the big question?

 

[Dirthand]

Well how do you like the Prednisone for inflammation and joint pain that was the big question?

I don't take them for that.. I take HGH/tb4/bpc-157. It works very well for me .. i take methypredisone injections when my allergies get extremely bad.. and I only have the pills on hand for same type of emergencies. I do not thi k prednisone would be good to get my bidy hooked on but I'd have to read up on it... i reckon it be a hell.of a lot cheaper than the bpc-157/tb4..
D

 

[AlexDavis43]

Oh thanks for that reply that was really good to know I think I'm going to skip the DECA.
I was reading prednisone was good for joint pain relief and inflammation I'm meeting with my doctor on the 30th of this month to have a discussion about that as a possibility has anybody here ever tried Prednisone for joint pain?

no but id like to. im hoping to see if an indian vendor has it in the underground here along with other supplies before all the loophole shut. ive found ibuprofen is still my favorite but i dont take it daily anymore. i do 1200mg before bed, id guess twice a week on average, mainly for my knees, no cartilage left.

Prednisone is a short-term solution. You will feel GREAT for a few days.

But long-term consequences of regular use aren't worth it, imo. Especially for bodybuilders.

 

[fw190jd]

Prednisone is a short-term solution. You will feel GREAT for a few days.

But long-term consequences of regular use aren't worth it, imo. Especially for bodybuilders.

I have no idea what I'm going to try I was going to try deca, but the majority of membership seem to find it to be a terrible choice side effects are insomnia which I'm already trying to deal with in limp weenie which I'm also already trying to deal with as a result of other compounds.. guess I'm back to square one

 

[Dirthand]

I have no idea what I'm going to try I was going to try deca, but the majority of membership seem to find it to be a terrible choice side effects are insomnia which I'm already trying to deal with in limp weenie which I'm also already trying to deal with as a result of other compounds.. guess I'm back to square one

You should try npp, it's the same drug of deca with a shorter half life so if you have side effects you can stop a d it will get out of your system quick.. Not everyone one reponds the same to compounds. I get no side effects of depression or insomnia or deca dick from the nandrolones

 

[AlexDavis43]

You should try npp, it's the same drug of deca with a shorter half life so if you have side effects you can stop a d it will get out of your system quick.. Not everyone one reponds the same to compounds. I get no side effects of depression or insomnia or deca dick from the nandrolones

Bro you always have insomnia. Do you really not have insomnia on nandrolones?

 

[Dirthand]

Bro you always have insomnia. Do you really not have insomnia on nandrolones?

I mean not any worse that it is with not being on it. My sleep quality has improved just a little.in the last couple.months. it's hit and miss.. I just conducted an at home sleep study last weekend.. Im sure I have sleep apnea but not sure i would be able to sleep with a mask attached to my face anyways, but we shall see.

When I drop down to trt+ from the surgery I added 200mg of deca and have kept it in ever since.. I made some at 500mg/ml so it's real easy to add 100mg 2x a week. I can't say i have noticed a big feel good with the joints but I have been dealing with low estradiol. It's up to a whopping 16 as of 2 weeks ago. Last November it crashed at 2.2. (Eq ) I have been running test/tren/mast for 5 weeks and mentally I feel very good.

Leaving the low dose deca was just an experiment to see if and what i notice over time, plus I want the extra conversion.. I. An say e en though it's only been 5 weeks in the trenE I seem to have less side effects on the Enanthate vs the Acetate. But I have also held myself to what I consider a moderate dose vs trying to go to high..Who knows next week the tune may be different.. The only marker that concerns me a little is my HDL is pretty low atm , but I guess it's expected..
My daily ramble
DH

 

[explodingHeart]

I'll play devil's advocate.

I'm 40, started GH at 38. Never noticed a damn thing. Went up to 10iu daily for six months. Went off for a few months and no change.

As an "old guy" the only thing that made much of a difference was lifting and taking sets to near/at failure, TRT test and GLPs (to stay lean with zero hunger). Specifically GLPs made 90% of the difference.

100% emphasis on lifting to failure. I know it's risky in old age but your body needs more of a stimulus to actually change thus in my opinion, it's damn near critical the older you get.