Qingdao Sigma Chemical Co., Ltd (International, US, EU, Canada and Australia domestic

[fatsoneedstrt]

Whats the cheapest china source for hgh and test raws right now? So many Sources here.. Hard to Tell.

i dont know about the cheapest but look into purple panda labs. they have raws

 

[niqTM]

I had a dream last night. I was on the QSC Discord server and as I was on there, I saw the red promo "lights" next to the promos all start to turn green. This meant Tracy was back and started business back up. I was so excited. It was an awesome dream.

 

[Mma67]

I don’t see any reason for Tracy to come back at this point. The US tariffs are causing some major logistical hurdles that they can’t get around. The Chinese government is probably going to keep a close eye on drug manufacturers to find the ones making and exporting fentanyl. I don’t know the laws in China, but I suspect that a lot of what is produced for our gear is made under the radar of the government, and outside of the law.

If anyone has better insight into Chinese laws I’d like to hear it, but I just think we’re fucked.

 

[Ghoul]

I don’t see any reason for Tracy to come back at this point. The US tariffs are causing some major logistical hurdles that they can’t get around. The Chinese government is probably going to keep a close eye on drug manufacturers to find the ones making and exporting fentanyl. I don’t know the laws in China, but I suspect that a lot of what is produced for our gear is made under the radar of the government, and outside of the law.

If anyone has better insight into Chinese laws I’d like to hear it, but I just think we’re fucked.

It's safe to assume the CCP has near absolute control over what chems can be made and exported, even if they maintain plausible deniability for political reasons.

For the moment, it doesn't serve their purposes to allow scheduled drugs of any sort to he sent en masse to the US. At least not in a way that can be traced back to them.

Perhaps some 3rd country will suddenly become the main visible source of AAS, while it's really still being made in China.

 

[Thequadfather]

I don’t see any reason for Tracy to come back at this point. The US tariffs are causing some major logistical hurdles that they can’t get around. The Chinese government is probably going to keep a close eye on drug manufacturers to find the ones making and exporting fentanyl. I don’t know the laws in China, but I suspect that a lot of what is produced for our gear is made under the radar of the government, and outside of the law.

If anyone has better insight into Chinese laws I’d like to hear it, but I just think we’re fucked.

The US isn't the only market for someone like QSC. You Yankee's sure are fucked, but the rest of us are doing just fine and could easily import products from QSC or others like them.

 

[Anonymous member 154437]

The US isn't the only market for someone like QSC. You Yankee's sure are fucked, but the rest of us are doing just fine and could easily import products from QSC or others like them.

Not the only market but the biggest, by far

 

[Thequadfather]

Not the only market but the biggest, by far

of course, but QSC could easily return in a smaller capacity. Less profit is better than zero profit.

 

[Ghoul]

The US isn't the only market for someone like QSC. You Yankee's sure are fucked, but the rest of us are doing just fine and could easily import products from QSC or others like them.

Digging deep into this topic, I can tell you there are dozens of "partner countries" that are following US Customs and Border Patrol's lead on cracking down on Chinese packs. Sharing data and methods.

Not every one, but almost all Western countries see the problem of contraband slipping in with the flood of Chinese packs and making moves to stop it.

 

[Thequadfather]

Digging deep into this topic, I can tell you there are dozens of "partner countries" that are following US Customs and Border Patrol's lead on cracking down on Chinese packs. Sharing data and methods.

Not every one, but almost all Western countries see the problem of contraband slipping in with the flood of Chinese packs and making moves to stop it.

Undoubtedly, but things still get through all the time. For CBP to be perfect, they would need to open every parcel coming from China. For Canada CBSA to be even 50% more effective, it would cost them so damn much to hire more people and increase costs that it would be politically unpopular. For the UK, the same thing applies.

My guess is that QSC hasn't returned due to a reason other than "it's not worth it for us". International trade difficulties haven't shut down counterfeit bags and watches.

 

[Ghoul]

Undoubtedly, but things still get through all the time. For CBP to be perfect, they would need to open every parcel coming from China. For Canada CBSA to be even 50% more effective, it would cost them so damn much to hire more people and increase costs that it would be politically unpopular. For the UK, the same thing applies.

My guess is that QSC hasn't returned due to a reason other than "it's not worth it for us". International trade difficulties haven't shut down counterfeit bags and watches.

Plugging the holes isn't nearly as hard as it appears.

By severely punishing any of the handful of Chinese logistics companies that move packs when contraband is found gives them a great incentive to only accept shipments from vetted, legit merchants.

$100,000 fines and suspensions from being allowed to operate in a country will keep them very motivated to keep that stuff out of their shipping containers.

Tracy lost a few shippers over the years after they discovered what was being sent using their services. and there are only so many to use.

And no legit merchant will allow stuff to be hidden in their shipments, since they risk losing access to shipping.

Of course nothing will stop 100% of contraband, but by making it difficult enough, not many UGL vendors will find it worthwhile unless the price is significantly higher.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

lol, People have a twisted fucked up definition of quality.

If they don't get ripped off, and pay the $30 per vial of test, they feel it's less quality.
Saying that if you have money you will never buy chinese gear is like saying a German millionaire will never drive a Volkswagen.

At the end, every domestic source here and elsewhere had their own episodes: underdosage, floaters, 3-4 weeks domestic delivery etc... Even the "premium lines" according to the forum main clown, he spent weeks to push and advertise some domestic, and ended up having floaters in their vials, now the customers are discussing which 0.22u filter to use to filter the $30 vials of test...

Let's see facts..

People running this kind of discussions not only they don't buy chinese gear, they don't buy gear tout court. When you start having a need for a variety of oils, raws, peptides, you can't miss QSC, that's fact.

What's surprising is this coming from guys like @Sampei, I mean come'on man, you buy our peptides, raws, and you just bought few months ago oils. How was the primo 200mg/ml? Did you found any sign of low quality using it?
I understand that people when they switch to homebrewing, they feel a certain normal superiority, it's the same feeling about how clean and healthy is your home made meal compared to the take away from restaurant. But never forget that you've been in that restaurant before.

People often assume that the domestic guy will get you some USP grade carrier oils, or high quality fillers and clean set up, while it's complete BS.
Most of them don't even bother and get BA and BB at $25/L from us.
He will get the carrier oils from the cheapest domestic option, because from China it's more expensive, that's it.
Every domestic source is trying to get the best pricing on their products to be competitive.

The dirtiest discovered labs has been always domestic, we've seen tons of busts records of EU labs, in Poland and other countries, and it's always the bathub set up. The only place where you can afford proper lab manufacturing tech and personel is China.
Staff wear gloves and masks all the time, clean continuously. Domestic guys were struggling to wear a mask during corona and were very unhappy about it, I am not sure if they are enjoying doing it in the lab while brewing.

You can continue the hate, shaming people who post positive reviews and questionning their integrity: Does QSC pay you? How is T cock in your mouth? and all that childish BS while you all know Q never paid anyone, and Q delivers, and always.

Let's see around ,what better options you have?

QSC have almost 3500 pages, and it's the most watched/commented thread for a reason !

QSC have the best pricing around here, for every kind of products.

QSC is the most tested source, both 2nd and 3rd testing.

QSC have one of the highest quality peptides, accurately dosed in the market.

QSC tests every batch of peptides, every batch of tablets, and now testing all new oils, unlike majority of domestic, and totality of chinese. More than half of their price lists are untested, not even a single time.
The considered highest quality domestic sources resell our peptides.

We have the highest quality raws, people tried other sources, most of them score less than us. Our tests of steroid raws always test higher, and +98% in +98% of times. Who beside QSC scores +96% for deca and EQ?

As for oils, we have now a perfect production line, every vial is inspected twice before being packed, and all the oils tested perfectly dosed by HPLC recent tests. No more floaters issues. Better rubber stoppers and ofc the best prices in the market.

I am not sure what other criterias you need for us to prove that QSC are high quality oils, but we are open for your suggestions.

I've been and still using them myself, and it's always been pip free, and as far as I know, no one here ever got an infection or a problem using our oils, but I've seen in various thread people getting serious inflammations after injections from several other sources.

International packaging is excellent and everyone can attest of this, majority of our packages clears customs, and even the opened ones, in most of cases they get released.

Customer service and speed, check around you, you try to push a newbie source, sucking their dicks for few weeks, they get an extra 5 orders per day, they start failing to deliver: warehouse is moving, half of your order is missing, no replies, long delivery times...
While we've been here delivering sucessfully for more than 3 years, no matter the volume, and we keep improving, and the most important thing, QSC keeps their promises !

Either you like it or not, either you had a positive or negative experience with QSC. Either I teased you or not. QSC quality is good and continuously improving.
I might have hurt your feelings in the past, by telling you to eat dog shit, or to go fuck yourself, but you need to remember, that's just a random seller, calling him/herself Tracy, providing a service, and by the end of the day, he don't remember you or know who you are. Don't be a loser and make it a life obsession, people are here just to grow, put some muscle, burn some fat, trying to be better versions of theirselves.
Vendors are here to make money, which is also an attempt to be better versions of themselves and feed their families in a riskier way.
And in the meantime, you can contibute to general good, like harm reduction, obesity reduction...

People will continue to buy, have their own experiences, two or three bashing clowns won't change anything, because:

QSC is the number one !

QSC is the premium line!

QSC is here for the poor and the rich!

Make QSC great again !

Good night sweet prince

 

[DECLAN]

Make QSC GREAT AGAIN Pls.

 

[SBD1]

I’ll tell you right now how things will need to play out.

We will go back to the old way, where shipping hundreds or thousands of tablets and several kits of vials is considered stupid and a time bomb. This does not apply to gray area legal chemicals provided declarations are correct.

Ordinary consumer shipping lines will only be used to transport raw material dtc and only the experienced traffickers will understand how to slip them through undetected. It is not as difficult to do as most here make it out to be. Yes you still run the risk of mishaps and profiling but maintaining a 95% success rate will not be difficult assuming they are willing to put in the work and pass along the slightly elevated packaging cost. For smaller orders this will make it potentially not worth it, but one could argue it has never really been worth it for those amounts.

We will see a rise in bulk domestic warehouses at a steep premium but still less than normal domestic sources. This and intermediary green countries will be the only reliable way to receive finished products.

These bulk warehouses will be filled either by finished product through back door deals on commercial lines or large raw importation with a stand alone production faculty separate from the warehouse. All depends on cost of labor and bribes.

If you’re new to dealing with real customs I feel sorry for you but you will learn how to navigate it eventually. By real customs I mean the last 5+ years of customs has been absolutely laughable and is not indicative of what we are used to.

Things are going back to normal. Piss or get off the pot. This is not for everyone. While I personally have enjoyed this lax time period it will be nice to get back to business as usual. Lots of new opportunities will appear.

 

[Thequadfather]

Plugging the holes isn't nearly as hard as it appears.

By severely punishing any of the handful of Chinese logistics companies that move packs when contraband is found gives them a great incentive to only accept shipments from vetted, legit merchants.

$100,000 fines and suspensions from being allowed to operate in a country will keep them very motivated to keep that stuff out of their shipping containers.

Tracy lost a few shippers over the years after they discovered what was being sent using their services. and there are only so many to use.

And no legit merchant will allow stuff to be hidden in their shipments, since they risk losing access to shipping.

Of course nothing will stop 100% of contraband, but by making it difficult enough, not many UGL vendors will find it worthwhile unless the price is significantly higher.

So what, our cost goes up but stuff will still get through. The logistics chain will just be different. The power of the Cartels isn’t their drugs, it’s in their ability to move them. That’s why you pay a 2000% markup for coke. Landing it stateside and into a local dealer is risky, but it still gets done.

I said way back when Agent Orange started beating his drum. The next millionaires are the people who can figure out methods to get around new logistics difficulties. It will happen, and it’s not that hard. There is always a way for the willing.

 

[Ghoul]

So what, our cost goes up but stuff will still get through. The logistics chain will just be different. The power of the Cartels isn’t their drugs, it’s in their ability to move them. That’s why you pay a 2000% markup for coke. Landing it stateside and into a local dealer is risky, but it still gets done.

I said way back when Agent Orange started beating his drum. The next millionaires are the people who can figure out methods to get around new logistics difficulties. It will happen, and it’s not that hard. There is always a way for the willing.

3rd party country shipping is the only way as far as I can see. Like Indian PCT vendors did last year during the crackdown on them. Though why this hasn't happened yet, nor have US warehouses really gotten well stocked like I figured they'd be by now, is a surprise.

 

[Thequadfather]

3rd party country shipping is the only way as far as I can see. Like Indian PCT vendors did last year during the crackdown on them. Though why this hasn't happened yet, nor have US warehouses really gotten well stocked like I figured they'd be by now, is a surprise.

Yeah I think your idea there is right. And thats why I think Tracy hasn't come back, it's probably something else like a more direct legal threat than anything else. He probably wasn't greasing the palm of someone he needed to. He was having banking issues just before QSC went dark entirely, which makes me believe he was under investigation for a while and is now trying to come out from under that. If he really was based in Qingdao, it would've been entirely possible to run shipments in a fishing boat over to Incheon and then ship it internationally from there. Korea is a lot more politically friendly to Western countries and less susceptible to inspection.

I know a fair bit about the replica watch world, too. When a factory is shut down in a sweep, it can take as long as 6-9 months for them to restart operations elsewhere, sometimes even a year. Either way, we aren't getting our Reta Promos!!!

 

[BP_6]

I’ll tell you right now how things will need to play out.

We will go back to the old way, where shipping hundreds or thousands of tablets and several kits of vials is considered stupid and a time bomb. This does not apply to gray area legal chemicals provided declarations are correct.

Ordinary consumer shipping lines will only be used to transport raw material dtc and only the experienced traffickers will understand how to slip them through undetected. It is not as difficult to do as most here make it out to be. Yes you still run the risk of mishaps and profiling but maintaining a 95% success rate will not be difficult assuming they are willing to put in the work and pass along the slightly elevated packaging cost. For smaller orders this will make it potentially not worth it, but one could argue it has never really been worth it for those amounts.

We will see a rise in bulk domestic warehouses at a steep premium but still less than normal domestic sources. This and intermediary green countries will be the only reliable way to receive finished products.

These bulk warehouses will be filled either by finished product through back door deals on commercial lines or large raw importation with a stand alone production faculty separate from the warehouse. All depends on cost of labor and bribes.

If you’re new to dealing with real customs I feel sorry for you but you will learn how to navigate it eventually. By real customs I mean the last 5+ years of customs has been absolutely laughable and is not indicative of what we are used to.

Things are going back to normal. Piss or get off the pot. This is not for everyone. While I personally have enjoyed this lax time period it will be nice to get back to business as usual. Lots of new opportunities will appear.

When I first started 20 years ago, more people than not ordered domestic only as customs was much more of a headache and seizures were much, much, much more common. This was before e commerce took off and pack volume increased dramatically.

On a side note, there are a few know china manufactures that have been shipping from countries other than china for years now.

 

[SunWukong]

Yeah I think your idea there is right. And thats why I think Tracy hasn't come back, it's probably something else like a more direct legal threat than anything else. He probably wasn't greasing the palm of someone he needed to. He was having banking issues just before QSC went dark entirely, which makes me believe he was under investigation for a while and is now trying to come out from under that. If he really was based in Qingdao, it would've been entirely possible to run shipments in a fishing boat over to Incheon and then ship it internationally from there. Korea is a lot more politically friendly to Western countries and less susceptible to inspection.

I know a fair bit about the replica watch world, too. When a factory is shut down in a sweep, it can take as long as 6-9 months for them to restart operations elsewhere, sometimes even a year. Either way, we aren't getting our Reta Promos!!!

CCP goes all in when they decide to. Corruption is rampant. And when they go all in, they really do. My wifes father died a few years ago. Selling his house was a mind fuck because of all the extra bullshit. Believe it or not, the sale required more cash gifts and “friend of a friend” connections after the crackdown.

 

[Franscesco_Schettino_1960]

Undoubtedly, but things still get through all the time. For CBP to be perfect, they would need to open every parcel coming from China. For Canada CBSA to be even 50% more effective, it would cost them so damn much to hire more people and increase costs that it would be politically unpopular. For the UK, the same thing applies.

My guess is that QSC hasn't returned due to a reason other than "it's not worth it for us". International trade difficulties haven't shut down counterfeit bags and watches.

the counterfeit industry is full in force lol

 

[CharlesV]

I know a fair bit about the replica watch world, too. When a factory is shut down in a sweep, it can take as long as 6-9 months for them to restart operations elsewhere, sometimes even a year.

i reflect on that scene often as well, as i bet there are a lot of parallels. the VSF bust for instance, they went down hard, stayed down for a minute, but are back in full force.

call me an optimist, but i have faith in the Peoples Republic to figure it out one way or another. if there is money to be made, they’ll exploit it.