dinfar1337
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you need to do your research man, what do you think sarms wont if you're prone to it? fucking your liver with orals + supressing your test for good 6-8 weeks will probably cause you more acne issues than just test
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Mongo966
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Acne and hair loss are minor side effects compared to what happens to some people who take these drugs.
Even then, Hair loss and acne from inj. AAS like Test mostly happen because the user lets their hormones like E2 go crazy, doesnt check and eats shit food.
Isn't less androgenic sides the whole point of SARMs? And another poster (@Nidus) seems to be saying that high E2 is a factor for acne which is a non-issue for SARMs as well. As for liver damage - like I mentioned in a previous post - "common knowledge" of Ostarine being hepatoxic is a misnomer that comes from data regarding other less-researched SARMs like LGD. Controlled clinical trials for MK-2866 consistently show no statistically significant ALT/AST elevations or liver-related adverse events compared to placebo. Only two well-documented DILI case reports exist in the literature, both of which involve unregulated supplements and confounding factors. Even Ibuprofen has 10x as many DILI case reports as Ostarine does. Liver injury is a non-issue and is bro-science.
People dont say Test is best for reason. SARMS are just fuck around and find out.
Stick to stuff that actually works, has a ton of scientific evidence and is failsafe. By failsafe i mean, you exactly know what side effects Test has and can mitigate them and proactivly approach them.
Taking oral stuff such as sarms can really fuck around with your stomach and the gainz you get are minimal compared to a moderate dose of test. There is so much good and valuabe information here, you just gotta educate yourself. I think by now you received so much good advice here and yet you wanna run SARMS only.
I get the feeling you're not looking for actual help, rather than just confirmation for your plan. You don't seem to have any intentions of accepting help from anyone here.
Either way, live and learn. Do what you want with your body but dont come back in a few months complaining that your balls stopped working, health markers are shit, lipids are out of control or suffer other issues when so many people gave you the right direction already.
Dont take it personal, this is part of harm reduction. Using well established and researched drugs such as Test instead of research chemicals.
Run your SARM cycle and learn for yourself. Just dont say you regret it after having such stern approach and somewhat ignorant view on feedback.
Stick to stuff that actually works, has a ton of scientific evidence and is failsafe. By failsafe i mean, you exactly know what side effects Test has and can mitigate them and proactivly approach them.
Taking oral stuff such as sarms can really fuck around with your stomach and the gainz you get are minimal compared to a moderate dose of test. There is so much good and valuabe information here, you just gotta educate yourself. I think by now you received so much good advice here and yet you wanna run SARMS only.
I get the feeling you're not looking for actual help, rather than just confirmation for your plan. You don't seem to have any intentions of accepting help from anyone here.
Either way, live and learn. Do what you want with your body but dont come back in a few months complaining that your balls stopped working, health markers are shit, lipids are out of control or suffer other issues when so many people gave you the right direction already.
Dont take it personal, this is part of harm reduction. Using well established and researched drugs such as Test instead of research chemicals.
Run your SARM cycle and learn for yourself. Just dont say you regret it after having such stern approach and somewhat ignorant view on feedback.
I already shared my feelings in my initial post. You are absolutely right about me not intending to accept help dissuading me from trying SARMs. I was very clear about my intentions and have not changed those intentions. To answer you, yes I do completely intend on taking SARMs, and I listed out exactly what I wanted advice on. Yet I am still receiving reply after reply telling me not to do SARMs. It's not helping like you think it is. I want advice on PCT, dose amount and bloodwork given the assumption that I will be taking Ostarine. This is not a post asking whether I should take Ostarine.
I also want to say I completely agree that Ostarine has more unknown unknowns, but I have done my own research and come to my own conclusions given the data. I am simply correcting people stating falsehoods about Ostarine.
So again, if you have advice about dose amount, PCT, or bloodwork for an Ostarine cycle then I will be glad to listen. Otherwise I am not interested.
I will deal with the consequences as they come and clearly no one else here is liable except me. I have received very minimal advice on harm reduction given the assumptions I have already stated, that I will be taking Ostarine. That is not up for debate, or something to convince me out of, or something I want advice on better options for. It's just not. You could consider that stupid but if you do care about harm reduction you'd be willing to give advice under the assumption that I will be cycling Ostarine, as I have stated as much. That's all I want advice on and all I care about and not once have I changed that opinion or had secret intentions besides that. I'm honestly really annoyed because no one here is legitimately interested in harm reduction. Everyone just wants to convince someone out of something they think is stupid with no intention of reducing harm. I'm not going to be convinced and you realized as much, but are doing nothing to reduce harm given that realization.
Another day, another teenager that knows better…blah blah blah. Do your sarms, get little to nothing out of it except a lighter wallet, and *hopefully* at least learn from that. No one is going to want to help you in the way that YOU want to be helped. You may not think it’s harm reduction, but no one here gives a shit what you think. 99% of the people here have been there and done that and do know better than you. Harm reduction is dissuading you from putting a research chemical in your body, even if you don’t think so.
Edit: initial post says you’re 22, but you behave like a teenager so that’s what I’ll go with.
Edit: initial post says you’re 22, but you behave like a teenager so that’s what I’ll go with.
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spartansask
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Ditch the SARM's and use your natty test with a proper diet and workput plan and you will grow. If i could only return to your age.
Money would be better spent on a Coach.
Eat big,work hard and sleep.
Money would be better spent on a Coach.
Eat big,work hard and sleep.
BamaCrazy
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Well, since Ostarine (and most SARMS) are pure shit and a waste of time, nobody here is taking them. So who is going to give you PCT advice? Maybe you are in the wrong forum. The forum can help you with performance enhancement drugs (PEDs), not Performance Unaltered Drugs (PUDS). I just made that term up but it’s very applicable to SARMS. lol
You say you are 22 but I’m beginning to think you are much younger…and much dumber. After you waste your time and money with your plan come back and provide some lessons learned for other young immature members who might be contemplating doing what you are doing.
Good luck!
dinfar1337
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most irl experiences i heard with sarms people just use them without a pct. the people using them are too stupid to know what pct is.
Sicsemptyran
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Hey @cargin,
Going to do my best to give some reasonable feedback you may appreciate. I'm no SARM hater (though I'd never take them), I even closely follow and have posted about the most recent ostarine outcome data.
Not because I think anyone here should take it, but because I'm a fan of new research into any anabolic and think ostarine does have potential in folks who are worried about androgenic sides (older women/etc).
All that said, we still really don't know much about it! It definitely nukes lipids, and compared to even some of the less studied true AAS people do here, has paltry safety data. With all that, the gains you would get seem minimal. But wait, you said you'd be doing higher doses so you'd probably see more gains - Where there's really no large scale safety data! See where I'm going with this? To add onto all of that, you're going to suppress your natural production and there is a massive nonzero chance you retain zero of your gains in exchange for risk, albeit not massive risk.
You're looking for a speedier recomp - Why not explore non-androgen signaling forms of recomp? Back when I was a competitive runner, we abused the living shit out of oral albuterol and IM/IV L-carnitine. Titrated up to 4mg 5-7x a day. At your current size and experience, you'd not only see some pretty significant fat loss, but with good training some no bullshit anabolism driven by the albuterol, while taking one of the most well studied drugs on Earth and not even touching your very healthy HTPA. Is it ideal? Probably not, but it will likely leave you with better long term gains and health than slamming a research chemical.
You're going to do what you want, obviously. And frankly I don't think you'll do much damage from running ostarine, there's much worse mistakes to make in life.
That said, it is a dumb mistake nevertheless and there's a reason everyone here is telling you not to. It is the wrong decision from a health and gains perspective. Just my two cents.
Going to do my best to give some reasonable feedback you may appreciate. I'm no SARM hater (though I'd never take them), I even closely follow and have posted about the most recent ostarine outcome data.
Not because I think anyone here should take it, but because I'm a fan of new research into any anabolic and think ostarine does have potential in folks who are worried about androgenic sides (older women/etc).
All that said, we still really don't know much about it! It definitely nukes lipids, and compared to even some of the less studied true AAS people do here, has paltry safety data. With all that, the gains you would get seem minimal. But wait, you said you'd be doing higher doses so you'd probably see more gains - Where there's really no large scale safety data! See where I'm going with this? To add onto all of that, you're going to suppress your natural production and there is a massive nonzero chance you retain zero of your gains in exchange for risk, albeit not massive risk.
You're looking for a speedier recomp - Why not explore non-androgen signaling forms of recomp? Back when I was a competitive runner, we abused the living shit out of oral albuterol and IM/IV L-carnitine. Titrated up to 4mg 5-7x a day. At your current size and experience, you'd not only see some pretty significant fat loss, but with good training some no bullshit anabolism driven by the albuterol, while taking one of the most well studied drugs on Earth and not even touching your very healthy HTPA. Is it ideal? Probably not, but it will likely leave you with better long term gains and health than slamming a research chemical.
You're going to do what you want, obviously. And frankly I don't think you'll do much damage from running ostarine, there's much worse mistakes to make in life.
That said, it is a dumb mistake nevertheless and there's a reason everyone here is telling you not to. It is the wrong decision from a health and gains perspective. Just my two cents.
BamaCrazy
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Ostarine can partially suppress testosterone production post cycle if used in high doses. But the need for PCT is likely unnecessary. SARMs are such a waste of money.
PermaBlastingTren
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just saw the starting post and willing to bet this is some dumb teenager.
Mongo966
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Jkeepdrop739
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I think this is solid feedback for @cargin… but I want to give him a little more optimism.
Clearly 20s, I’m not messing w a sarm. But I’m in my 40s - still have decent T levels - and I think they could help with some gains when combined with other things - HGH, Tesamorelin/ipamorelin. But if you’re going to do Tesa, the clinical dose is 2mg. Going that route gave me the best gains.
In your 20s, with those T levels, how tanking it for ostsrine is going to help. You can accomplish that physiologically. But I’m afraid this post will deter people in their 40/50s from using sarms and I do believe there is a place for them.
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@cargin You have that insane and uniquely 22 hubris where you ask for advice but what you really want is an echo chamber of people telling you that after two evenings of research you've cracked the code to free gains with no sides. You'll laugh and shake your head at your own post in a few years. But this is your rite of passage to go through and these your mistakes to make.
If you want to recomp for vanity I would just go for clen and tesa (placebo gains from injecting) and maybe l-carnitine (more placebobol). It'll do something and motivate you to train harder and then in a few years you'll hop on and be sweet.
If you want to recomp for vanity I would just go for clen and tesa (placebo gains from injecting) and maybe l-carnitine (more placebobol). It'll do something and motivate you to train harder and then in a few years you'll hop on and be sweet.
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IndividualMan
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Very true.
Unless you have already bought the compounds, and have no money whatsoever left, I would at least beg of you to just get some Anavar instead.
I do not get your reasoning for this subpar approach to PEDs, and why you wouldn't just pin some test and be done with it, but if you really just want to dip your toes in, look good for the Summer, whatever it is, just skip the SARMs, take some var, look good for the same amount of time (before you inevitably lose the gains due to coming off) suppress yourself marginally less, take some TUDCA and NAC for Liver health, and be done with it.
Or go for some non- androgenic, NON SUPPRESSIVE pathways, Tesa+ L Carnitine or MK677+ L Carnitine.
You can't outsmart what has been done for ages with some new shiny, more expensive, sadly bottom of the barrel Androgens.
TLDR:
Save yourself some money & health, take Var, or even better, some MK/Tesa& L-carnitine (no suppression, yippee) and be done with it.
You cannot outsmart your own body. You have not cracked the code. All you can do is take the advice you asked for, or at least consider it.
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