High total T, low free T in women

[OffendHand]

This is a bit specialized of a question, but my partner doesn't want to ask her doc.

My partner hit that time of life a couple years back, and it's totally tanked her energy levels, mood, and sex drive. After YEARS of telling her to see an endocrinologist or gynecologist that specializes in treating the negative side effects of menopause, she finally went to see one. Unsurprisingly, her estradiol and progestin levels are nil.

But she'd been asking me to shoot her up with my own T, hoping that would improve at least the sex drive part. She has high total T levels, but very low free T levels. She did not tell her doctor that she'd been getting T from me. Her doctor said that she should get her adrenal glands checked (I think maybe she meant thyroid?, IDK.)

My understanding is that DHT, T and estradiol all bind to weakly to albumin and strongly to SHRB; if she has high total T levels, then most of it is bound up in the albumin of SHRB, right?

So, my question here is, does it seem reasonable to guess that, assuming that there's nothing wrong with her adrenal (...or thyroid...) glands, that maybe it's either that she has overall high SHBG levels or that there's more SHRB available to bind to the testosterone because her estradiol levels are essentially nil.

I think that pounding more T into her ass is probably not a great idea, as I have a strong preference for women over men, and she definitely identifies as a woman.

Ideas?

(...And yes, I know that she should talk to her gynecologist and 'fess up that she's been using my T. But she ain't gonna do that.)

 

[Nidus]

If you want to help freeing up more T and lower SHBG for woman, Bor can help. Also a very low dose of DIM can help.
Bor at 3mg a day can help lower SHBG and free up Test.

 

[Musmadar]

I'm in the same situation as yours ... with my wife....I suspect she is perimenopausal.

She went on the road of treating her situation as an depression....after almost 2 years of antidepressants she is still not good.

We don't have a doctor with good recommendation for these type of symptoms.

I am planning on starting to give her Proviron, DHEA and some little test...in the near future.

 

[Musmadar]

This is a bit specialized of a question, but my partner doesn't want to ask her doc.

My partner hit that time of life a couple years back, and it's totally tanked her energy levels, mood, and sex drive. After YEARS of telling her to see an endocrinologist or gynecologist that specializes in treating the negative side effects of menopause, she finally went to see one. Unsurprisingly, her estradiol and progestin levels are nil.

But she'd been asking me to shoot her up with my own T, hoping that would improve at least the sex drive part. She has high total T levels, but very low free T levels. She did not tell her doctor that she'd been getting T from me. Her doctor said that she should get her adrenal glands checked (I think maybe she meant thyroid?, IDK.)

My understanding is that DHT, T and estradiol all bind to weakly to albumin and strongly to SHRB; if she has high total T levels, then most of it is bound up in the albumin of SHRB, right?

So, my question here is, does it seem reasonable to guess that, assuming that there's nothing wrong with her adrenal (...or thyroid...) glands, that maybe it's either that she has overall high SHBG levels or that there's more SHRB available to bind to the testosterone because her estradiol levels are essentially nil.

I think that pounding more T into her ass is probably not a great idea, as I have a strong preference for women over men, and she definitely identifies as a woman.

Ideas?

(...And yes, I know that she should talk to her gynecologist and 'fess up that she's been using my T. But she ain't gonna do that.)

@Nunya has some well informed posts on the matter.

 

[OffendHand]

If you want to help freeing up more T and lower SHBG for woman, Bor can help. Also a very low dose of DIM can help.
Bor at 3mg a day can help lower SHBG and free up Test.

Can you spell those out for me? I'm not familiar with the acronyms and abbreviations.

 

[Grey Spartan]

I am planning on starting to give her Proviron

Proviron?

"Proviron, also known as mesterolone, is an oral anabolic-androgenic steroid used primarily to treat low testosterone levels and male infertility. It is known for its strong androgenic effects and is taken by mouth, often in the form of tablets."

 

[OffendHand]

I'm in the same situation as yours ... with my wife....I suspect she is perimenopausal.

She went on the road of treating her situation as an depression....after almost 2 years of antidepressants she is still not good.

We don't have a doctor with good recommendation for these type of symptoms.

I am planning on starting to give her Proviron, DHEA and some little test...in the near future.

If you can, get her to a doc first, an endocrinologist or gynecologist that specializes in menopause/perimenopause. Yeah, it's a hassle, but IMO starting the legit route first will probably yield better results.

Women's hormones are *complicated* compared to men. :/

 

[Nidus]

Can you spell those out for me? I'm not familiar with the acronyms and abbreviations.

Bor is Boron supplement, at low doses of 3mg daily it decreases SHBG and frees up Test, a really good choice for woman and man.

DIM is basically broccoli extract (Diindolylmethan). Helps lowering E2 a bit but also pushes down SHBG.

 

[Nidus]

Proviron?

"Proviron, also known as mesterolone, is an oral anabolic-androgenic steroid used primarily to treat low testosterone levels and male infertility. It is known for its strong androgenic effects and is taken by mouth, often in the form of tablets."

Proviron is not really an ideal choice for woman.

 

[Musmadar]

Proviron is not really an ideal choice for woman.

I'm still at the "study" phase on this matter ... I'm getting a lot of beneficial signals from the low to moderate use in women.

 

[Grey Spartan]

Proviron is not really an ideal choice for woman.

That's what I thought. I wondered why they wouldn't give it to females transitioning to males (since it is almost 100% androgenic), then I found out it is not available in the US.

 

[Musmadar]

That's what I thought. I wondered why they wouldn't give it to females transitioning to males (since it is almost 100% androgenic), then I found out it is not available in the US.

Main effect is to lower the SHBG ...

 

[HeatherSwanson]

I'm in the same situation as yours ... with my wife....I suspect she is perimenopausal.

She went on the road of treating her situation as an depression....after almost 2 years of antidepressants she is still not good.

We don't have a doctor with good recommendation for these type of symptoms.

I am planning on starting to give her Proviron, DHEA and some little test...in the near future.

May I ask hows your sex life with a low drive partner? Sex being the thing that makes the difference between friends and lovers.

I'll have to walk the path of a menopausal partner at some point, curious to know how you deal with it?

 

[clearheaded]

like our fathers before us, get another lady 10-15 years younger than the 1st one. or a secretary like a red blooded American..... I kid of course.

talk to a compounding pharmacist they can line everything up, will cost a consult fee but prob cheaper than trying to find a good dr.

 

[Sickxlost]

This is a bit specialized of a question, but my partner doesn't want to ask her doc.

My partner hit that time of life a couple years back, and it's totally tanked her energy levels, mood, and sex drive. After YEARS of telling her to see an endocrinologist or gynecologist that specializes in treating the negative side effects of menopause, she finally went to see one. Unsurprisingly, her estradiol and progestin levels are nil.

But she'd been asking me to shoot her up with my own T, hoping that would improve at least the sex drive part. She has high total T levels, but very low free T levels. She did not tell her doctor that she'd been getting T from me. Her doctor said that she should get her adrenal glands checked (I think maybe she meant thyroid?, IDK.)

My understanding is that DHT, T and estradiol all bind to weakly to albumin and strongly to SHRB; if she has high total T levels, then most of it is bound up in the albumin of SHRB, right?

So, my question here is, does it seem reasonable to guess that, assuming that there's nothing wrong with her adrenal (...or thyroid...) glands, that maybe it's either that she has overall high SHBG levels or that there's more SHRB available to bind to the testosterone because her estradiol levels are essentially nil.

I think that pounding more T into her ass is probably not a great idea, as I have a strong preference for women over men, and she definitely identifies as a woman.

Ideas?

(...And yes, I know that she should talk to her gynecologist and 'fess up that she's been using my T. But she ain't gonna do that.)

If your pounding anything in her ass it needs to be D and not T

Brooo no way test and girls don’t mix, you can get irreversible sides. I’d say Anavar or primo but that’s for the gym.

Have you ever looked into PT-141? Sounds exactly like what she is needing.

 

[Sickxlost]

like our fathers before us, get another lady 10-15 years younger than the 1st one. or a secretary like a red blooded American.....

Murrica

 

[Musmadar]

May I ask hows your sex life with a low drive partner? Sex being the thing that makes the difference between friends and lovers.

I'll have to walk the path of a menopausal partner at some point, curious to know how you deal with it?

It's not easy...

As you mentioned:
it's a path ... you don't just get to that point where you, all of the sudden, realize that you are stuck ...

It slowly develop ... in the meantime you face small frustrations...you learn to manage them ... then you get, not that small frustrations, that you also learn to manage ... and so on.

In the meantime you realize that both of the partners somehow develop ... they are not that good at certain aspects of a marriage but they become way better at other aspects.

Today we have appointment to the lab for my wife's testing ... we were talking about that and she asked me if I'm ready an think that I am sure that I am able to "handle" her high libido if it gets to that point?

Very clever question.

 

[HeatherSwanson]

It's not easy...

As you mentioned:
it's a path ... you don't just get to that point where you, all of the sudden, realize that you are stuck ...

It slowly develop ... in the meantime you face small frustrations...you learn to manage them ... then you get, not that small frustrations, that you also learn to manage ... and so on.

In the meantime you realize that both of the partners somehow develop ... they are not that good at certain aspects of a marriage but they become way better at other aspects.

Today we have appointment to the lab for my wife's testing ... we were talking about that and she asked me if I'm ready an think that I am sure that I am able to "handle" her high libido if it gets to that point?

Very clever question.

Ive been reduced to zero once in a divorce catering to the insane whims of the emotions of my wife all the while giving every little bit I could.

I'll never marry again and will always reserve the right to leave. As a man I'm expected to perform certain duties for my girl including but not limited to financial and emotional responsibilities.

I will leave her if she thinks to with hold sex or turn me down, menopause or not. As amazing as my woman (GF) is, I've made my expectations quite clear right from the start.

Do you think that taking this approach would have held a different outcome? I know I come off as crass, mean, misogynistic and uncaring, and maybe I am. But I'm genuinely curious to know, will this tactic work in my favour?

 

[Musmadar]

Ive been reduced to zero once in a divorce catering to the insane whims of the emotions of my wife all the while giving every little bit I could.

I'll never marry again and will always reserve the right to leave. As a man I'm expected to perform certain duties for my girl including but not limited to financial and emotional responsibilities.

I will leave her if she thinks to with hold sex or turn me down, menopause or not. As amazing as my woman (GF) is, I've made my expectations quite clear right from the start.

Do you think that taking this approach would have held a different outcome? I know I come off as crass, mean, misogynistic and uncaring, and maybe I am. But I'm genuinely curious to know, will this tactic work in my favour?

That is one way of dealing with these kind of matters ... I also thought of this, many times...

In my case: I got to the conclusion that sex is the easiest and the most approachable way to interact with your pair ... there are also others way to create a bond ... ways that require a lot more time and dedication among many other variables like : culture, social influence, personal history of partners, parents issues, education, health of partners, etc.

Eather way ... good things require time to grow.

 

[clearheaded]

Ive been reduced to zero once in a divorce catering to the insane whims of the emotions of my wife all the while giving every little bit I could.

I'll never marry again and will always reserve the right to leave. As a man I'm expected to perform certain duties for my girl including but not limited to financial and emotional responsibilities.

I will leave her if she thinks to with hold sex or turn me down, menopause or not. As amazing as my woman (GF) is, I've made my expectations quite clear right from the start.

Do you think that taking this approach would have held a different outcome? I know I come off as crass, mean, misogynistic and uncaring, and maybe I am. But I'm genuinely curious to know, will this tactic work in my favour?

no it won't work, woman dont want to feel forced to have sex. most guys dont want there partner to starfish and ask if they are done yet as they are not into it. she knows u want more sex and knows it will make u happy, thats rhetorical.

I would suggest a mediating shrink and id say talk to them a few times before so u can figure out how to express urself correctly. " I need to express my love physically" " I feel closer when we are intimate" that type of gas light y shit, but at least its a nicer way of s my d you b, I guess?

but hormones will help, if she is estrogen Dom it tends to make them hyper vigilant and want to be in control, so giving an ultimatum won't end well.

-shrink
-hormones
- could ask if she wants to try pt141