I'm not irrevocably fucked, right?

[BillionsMustLift]

I'll admit I don't follow the latest pct guidelines but the steroids reddit https://reddit.com/r/steroids/w/thecycle/pct?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share does mention that with long esters PCT starts two weeks after your last injection while the esters are being cleared so HCG should have been run two weeks after your last Injection and then start the serm nolva

Lol, I'm gonna be honest, the reddit wiki was my source for most of my cycle planning.

I swear I read on there somewhere to start PCT 10 or so days after last injection, but now I see there's a table that says for test e, wait 14-18 days. So, I did that wrong, but not by much to be fair.

hcg I did run for a few days after last injection but that means only 2 more doses. In fact screw it, here's a snapshot of my calendar from around that time (September) for visualization, 250iu refers to an hcg dose.

Excuse "European Heritage Day," I got sick of google forcing fake and gay passive-aggressive holidays like "Indigenous People's Day" or "LGBTQ+ History Month" or whatever into my calendar so I added my own.

 

[BillionsMustLift]

Never said anything about overlapping hcg and clomid/nolva. Respectfully, I’ve helped like a dozen guys come off, after being on for various lengthy durations up to a decade, and about half of them did so to have kids and were then able to.

You seem defensive for someone asking for advice.

You failed a pct wirh an inadequate protocol and your bloodwork is now out of date. Maybe you’ve recovered in the couple months since. Maybe you haven’t. You don’t know for sure.

Get a simple panel run. Go from there.

Sorry if I come across as defensive, I can see that for sure in my first response to posters just telling me to get more bloodwork.

As for overlapping, the poster I was replying to mentioned running hcg for a "few more weeks after you stop the cycle," which is a fair suggestion, but given the recommendation of starting PCT for test E 14-18 days it would mean like a week of overlap with hcg and PCT. Not really a big deal either way I think. At least, that's how I interpreted the language.

 

[BillionsMustLift]

Your bloodwork is months old, dummy. Go get new bloodwork and find out where your levels are. They might be back to normal.

Or you could just ignore the free advice you’re getting, waste all of our time and energy, and go run nolva without having a clue where your hormone levels are at.

Afterall, you’ve done lots of your own research. You have tons of experience. You can tell the difference between 262ng/dl and 425ng/dl. You know what you’re doing. You don’t need us.

Word, thanks for your support

 

[Mongo966]

Word, thanks for your support

No problem. That’s why we’re here.

 

[malfeasance]

You are 24. I would just recover naturally at this point, 4 months out, rather than using drugs to monkey with your body's complicated systems again.

Blood test again when you feel like taking one to see where you are at now.

 

[SBD1]

Never ran a pct, I shoot live rounds on and off cycle, have you tried just being built different? This game isn’t for everyone.

 

[ManK]

is important know which aas you used on cycle

 

[Middus]

Just be aware that this isn’t really a study to learn the lesson of “pct doesnt work.”

They don’t standardize the approach, the dosages, the drugs themselves, etc

The most appropriate takeaway is “people don’t know how to PCT;” rather appropriate for where we’re at in this thread.

I listened to an NPR discussion related to this topic this week.. Dude was talking about AAS usage but from a TRT perspective. Was talking about the overhype and myths about the health risks of testosterone usage. He however mentioned that fertility after TRT only returns to about 75% pre therapy levels. Don't know if that info is useful here

 

[Mac11wildcat]

I listened to an NPR discussion related to this topic this week.. Dude was talking about AAS usage but from a TRT perspective. Was talking about the overhype and myths about the health risks of testosterone usage. He however mentioned that fertility after TRT only returns to about 75% pre therapy levels. Don't know if that info is useful here

I think it should be a going in assumption that fertility and natural function so at risk when you start gear. Applying a flat % was probably just a means to answer a complicated question, but I haven’t had someone fail a fertility protocol yet. Granted <10 is a low sample size but it is none the less data

As far as PCT: as with all drug topics there’s still VERY outdated info being spread and used as fact. Two biggest errors are starting the protocol to early (before exogenous test has cleared) and not using a full suite of PCT drugs at large enough doses for long enough.

 

[malfeasance]

Two biggest errors are starting the protocol to early (before exogenous test has cleared)

LOL, my second cycle, used Deca with test, and waited two weeks and did the PCT and my strength was going up and kept increasing after PCT, I was like, wow, I am fully recovered, lol. Imagine my surprise 2 months later when everything finally crashed and my significant other thought I did not like her anymore.

 

[b3n]

Lol, I'm gonna be honest, the reddit wiki was my source for most of my cycle planning.

I swear I read on there somewhere to start PCT 10 or so days after last injection, but now I see there's a table that says for test e, wait 14-18 days. So, I did that wrong, but not by much to be fair.

hcg I did run for a few days after last injection but that means only 2 more doses. In fact screw it, here's a snapshot of my calendar from around that time (September) for visualization, 250iu refers to an hcg dose.

Excuse "European Heritage Day," I got sick of google forcing fake and gay passive-aggressive holidays like "Indigenous People's Day" or "LGBTQ+ History Month" or whatever into my calendar so I added my own.

The point in time to start PCT is determined by:
1. the substance used
2. the amount of the substanced used

You can go by some estimates from credible sources for that or use a roidplanner to obtain a better estimate for your dosage used.

 

[Jin23]

Lol, I'm gonna be honest, the reddit wiki was my source for most of my cycle planning.

I swear I read on there somewhere to start PCT 10 or so days after last injection, but now I see there's a table that says for test e, wait 14-18 days. So, I did that wrong, but not by much to be fair.

hcg I did run for a few days after last injection but that means only 2 more doses. In fact screw it, here's a snapshot of my calendar from around that time (September) for visualization, 250iu refers to an hcg dose.

Excuse "European Heritage Day," I got sick of google forcing fake and gay passive-aggressive holidays like "Indigenous People's Day" or "LGBTQ+ History Month" or whatever into my calendar so I added my own.

You got so much wrong information. 14 - 18 days is more close to it, 18 days that is, but the real "number" is 5 half life's of the given anabolic used. Which means app 25 days for Te since last Tmax. And you should have used hcg up to somewhere around 20 days since last Tmax.

Enclomiphene is stronger then tamox and 12.5 mg is a good dose. You just started using it too soon and didn't use it long enough. Enclomiphene is a superior serm then tamox. Much smaller dosages are needed.

You were suppressed for 6 months, at such lengths the hypothalamus/pituitary can take a long time to recover ie. your testosterone is low because you LH is low which will come back in due time.

You'll be fine. And you probably don't need to take a serm again.

 

[mwilkes0226]

Just gotta do more drugs lol.