Castor oil & MCT oil - a few questions

[4x7]

Hey fellas, how's it going? I hope all is good.

So, upon reading on this forum i got introduced to the idea of using castor oil. Especially the contributions of the great brewing sage @narta made me start thinking about using castor oil next time. I think - in my experience - sesame oil was so far the most reliable oil. I don't think i ever had gear crash in it.

So, a couple of questions regarding castor oil:

- Upon looking up for castor oil i came across the cold pressed version and the refined version. I'm guessing that the refined version of castor oil is the way to go, correct? Key reasons i'd name, would be the higher smoke point and less danger of the oil going rancid.

- Since i have never used it, i'll use @Sampei 's great idea to inject 1ml of pure filtered castor oil to check for reactions. How long do i have to wait till i know that there won't be an allergic reaction? 48 hours? And one pin as test should be enough, i guess.

- Is there a chart that compares the saturation rate (how much raw you can add before it gets saturated and crashes) between carrier oils? There was a chart long time ago, i lost it. If i remember correctly sesame was quite on top of the list but (i think it was) castor oil (that) was in a league of its own, if i remember correctly.

Regarding MCT:

- I have also never used MCT. Which type is the ideal one for our purposes? There are C6, C8, C10 & C12 MCT oils. My research on the forum has lead me to the answer that MCT 60/40 C8/C10 from coconut oil is the optimal oil for our purposes. As to why, i have no idea. If someone has the knowledge, i would be thankful if he shared it.

- I do wonder if sesame oil or MCT has the higher saturation rate.



I know that sesame oil works well for me. It does the job. But i always try to improve the way i'm doing something and try to make it more efficient. Do you think that MCT or castor oil as carrier oils would give me any benefit compared to sesame when brewing Test Prop, Tren Ace or NPP? Maybe it's crazy to think this but i wonder if it will make daily Tren Ace pins have a more steady/linear release. Anything that helps lessening Tren sides, i'd happily welcome.

Best regards,

4x7

 

[Sampei]

Hey fellas, how's it going? I hope all is good.

So, upon reading on this forum i got introduced to the idea of using castor oil. Especially the contributions of the great brewing sage @narta made me start thinking about using castor oil next time. I think - in my experience - sesame oil was so far the most reliable oil. I don't think i ever had gear crash in it.

So, a couple of questions regarding castor oil:

- Upon looking up for castor oil i came across the cold pressed version and the refined version. I'm guessing that the refined version of castor oil is the way to go, correct? Key reasons i'd name, would be the higher smoke point and less danger of the oil going rancid.

- Since i have never used it, i'll use @Sampei 's great idea to inject 1ml of pure filtered castor oil to check for reactions. How long do i have to wait till i know that there won't be an allergic reaction? 48 hours? And one pin as test should be enough, i guess.

- Is there a chart that compares the saturation rate (how much raw you can add before it gets saturated and crashes) between carrier oils? There was a chart long time ago, i lost it. If i remember correctly sesame was quite on top of the list but (i think it was) castor oil (that) was in a league of its own, if i remember correctly.

Regarding MCT:

- I have also never used MCT. Which type is the ideal one for our purposes? There are C6, C8, C10 & C12 MCT oils. My research on the forum has lead me to the answer that MCT 60/40 C8/C10 from coconut oil is the optimal oil for our purposes. As to why, i have no idea. If someone has the knowledge, i would be thankful if he shared it.

- I do wonder if sesame oil or MCT has the higher saturation rate.



I know that sesame oil works well for me. It does the job. But i always try to improve the way i'm doing something and try to make it more efficient. Do you think that MCT or castor oil as carrier oils would give me any benefit compared to sesame when brewing Test Prop, Tren Ace or NPP? Maybe it's crazy to think this but i wonder if it will make daily Tren Ace pins have a more steady/linear release. Anything that helps lessening Tren sides, i'd happily welcome.

Best regards,

4x7

You answered most of your questions by researching properly. Well done.

24h you will already know if you are allergic to castor oil. 48h just to be sure. Yeah one time is enough if you are allergic you are allergic not much to say about it.

 

[narta]

@4x7

Refined is the way to go. Cold pressed means it's not processed but usp grade is refined and filtered so easier to work with.

As to the saturation point for hormones if you look around you will find @Spaceman Spiff @Sampei and others recipes. Also @Dirthand has a few. You should start there and if you feel adventurous expand on them.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

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[4x7]

Thanks a lot for the answers. I truly appreciate your input.

When brewing Test D one day, i'll surely be choosing castor oil.

But with compounds like NPP, Tren Ace and Test Prop, which of the two oils (MCT or castor oil) would grant me a benefit over sesame oil?

I guess MCT would mean an easier pin since it is less viscous. Is it actually noticeable when pinning?

And castor oil would mean some minor health benefits? The idea of castor oil causing a more steady/linear release of daily Tren Ace pins into the blood stream and thus being a benefit in this manner surely is just theoretical and a crazy thought, i guess.


All things considered, it looks to me that i should try MCT in this case (NPP, Tren Ace, Test Prop) and ditch the sesame oil. And for Test D. brews i'll be using castor oil. If i missed something, let me know.

Best regards,

4x7

 

[Sampei]

Thanks a lot for the answers. I truly appreciate your input.

When brewing Test D one day, i'll surely be choosing castor oil.

But with compounds like NPP, Tren Ace and Test Prop, which of the two oils (MCT or castor oil) would grant me a benefit over sesame oil?

I guess MCT would mean an easier pin since it is less viscous. Is it actually noticeable when pinning?

And castor oil would mean some minor health benefits? The idea of castor oil causing a more steady/linear release of daily Tren Ace pins into the blood stream and thus being a benefit in this manner surely is just theoretical and a crazy thought, i guess.


All things considered, it looks to me that i should try MCT in this case (NPP, Tren Ace, Test Prop) and ditch the sesame oil. And for Test D. brews i'll be using castor oil. If i missed something, let me know.

Best regards,

4x7

I would so the opposite actually, brew the test D in MCT as castor oil slow it down the release and I don't see why that's needed when I pin test D twice a week on a blast (I use test U for my cruise/TRT) and use castor for NPP and Ace to try to keep them more stable.

Just my idea tho, not like I have any proof on what's better

 

[narta]

Castor is better for smoothing the injection and slightly prolonging absorption. IT won't make Tren A become a e3d injection or Test prop a eod but it helps a bit. I use it for my TRT Test D and go E10D schedule

 

[Sampei]

Castor is better for smoothing the injection and slightly prolonging absorption. IT won't make Tren A become a e3d injection or Test prop a eod but it helps a bit. I use it for my TRT Test D and go E10D schedule

Yeah I wouldn't change the schedule of the injection on short ester but it could smooth out the peak and valley, I would still inject ED both prop and ace

 

[4x7]

Then castor oil it will be! I do pin all short esters daily though.

Care to explain to me what you mean with "smoothing the injection" @narta ? I'm not an English native speaker. Having read your contributions on the forum, i guess you mean that it lessens the pip.

Best regards,

4x7

 

[Sampei]

Then castor oil it will be! I do pin all short esters daily though.

Care to explain to me what you mean with "smoothing the injection" @narta ? I'm not an English native speaker. Having read your contributions on the forum, i guess you mean that it lessens the pip.

Best regards,

4x7

Castor has anti-inflammatory properties so it can make the injection less painful

 

[mikeh1998]

I bought cottonseed oil for brewing Test C/Test U, is that a good choice?

 

[Exhortae]

My experience

Castor oil from bayer (means BB more than 35%) small PIP.
Sesame oil : dry bloody nose
MCT oil : no pip, smooth injection
Mygliol 840 : joint pain, tendonitis
Grape seed oil : no pip

For me it’s not about the oil properties, it’s more about how my body react to a specific oil in the long term

 

[narta]

For me it’s not about the oil properties, it’s more about how my body react to a specific oil in the long term

That is absolutely correct. Individual response on everything it has to do with biology.

 

[TheScholarOfBrew]

I would so the opposite actually, brew the test D in MCT as castor oil slow it down the release and I don't see why that's needed when I pin test D twice a week on a blast (I use test U for my cruise/TRT) and use castor for NPP and Ace to try to keep them more stable.

Just my idea tho, not like I have any proof on what's better

Ace and castor is match made in heaven. I personally have experimented now with avocado oil however. It's still thick but not as thick as castor.

 

[4x7]

Ace and castor is match made in heaven. I personally have experimented now with avocado oil however. It's still thick but not as thick as castor.

Do you pin your ACE's ed?

I use 0,45x25 mm needles. Will it be problem to inject castor oil through these needles?

 

[TheScholarOfBrew]

Do you pin your ACE's ed?

I use 0,45x25 mm needles. Will it be problem to inject castor oil through these needles?View attachment 318437

Prob I heat mine up but I switched to Avocado oil for my tren now. Easier to draw but still thick

 

[4x7]

The drawing is not the problem for me. I use a thick needle to draw.

Well if injecting castor oil through these needles is a problem, then i can't use castor oil.

The number of daily pins that i have done in my lifetime in my (mostly) thighs is inhuman. This needle is the thinnest that works with all oils i have tried. The thinner the needle the more dampened the build up of scar tissue is due to inhumane number of injections into a muscle. So i'd like to stick with these needles and not go higher in thickness. This has priority over the benefits of castor oil.

Maybe @narta knows if these needles will work with castor oil. If no one knows, then in worst case scenario i buy a bit of castor oil and just try to squeeze it through this needle and see if it flows.

 

[narta]

The drawing is not the problem for me. I use a thick needle to draw.

Well if injecting castor oil through these needles is a problem, then i can't use castor oil.

The number of daily pins that i have done in my lifetime in my (mostly) thighs is inhuman. This needle is the thinnest that works with all oils i have tried. The thinner the needle the more dampened the build up of scar tissue is due to inhumane number of injections into a muscle. So i'd like to stick with these needles and not go higher in thickness. This has priority over the benefits of castor oil.

Maybe @narta knows if these needles will work with castor oil. If no one knows, then in worst case scenario i buy a bit of castor oil and just try to squeeze it through this needle and see if it flows.

Volume?

I can manage a warmed up castor oil with 30% BB with a 25g up to 3ml but it takes some time to push through with a 3ml syringe. If volume is low aka <1ml it can go quick with a 1ml barrel due to greater pressure per inch. 26g though I don't know

 

[4x7]

Maximum 2ml volume.

Holy crap.. 3ml and your gear concentration ain't the standard 100mg/ml like mine. You must look like some sort of a jacked up breeding bull or something. Makes me feel good about my own use which is already deemed as high by most.

Yea, the flow is slow. Yea, my injections are sometimes a thing that takes 10 minutes to a quarter of an hour. Sometimes even longer but that's ok. I trade this for scar tissue as a result of a quick and comfortable inject after a million injections over the years. I completely forgot that other people pin for a few seconds and are done.

Edit: I just read your post again. I use 5ml syringes. I guess i just learned something new. I still have 4 or 5 of 100 unit boxes of 5ml syringes. I guess i'll buy a smaller syringe next time since it increases the pressure and helps with lessening the inject time, as you say.


From what you said it seems it is possible. Thanks for your time, @narta . Truly appreciate your inputs.

 

[Sampei]

Maximum 2ml volume.

Holy crap.. 3ml and your gear concentration ain't the standard 100mg/ml like mine. You must look like some sort of a jacked up breeding bull or something. Makes me feel good about my own use which is already deemed as high by most.

Yea, the flow is slow. Yea, my injections are sometimes a thing that takes 10 minutes to a quarter of an hour. Sometimes even longer but that's ok. I trade this for scar tissue as a result of a quick and comfortable inject after a million injections over the years. I completely forgot that other people pin for a few seconds and are done.

Edit: I just read your post again. I use 5ml syringes. I guess i just learned something new. I still have 4 or 5 of 100 unit boxes of 5ml syringes. I guess i'll buy a smaller syringe next time since it increases the pressure and helps with lessening the inject time, as you say.


From what you said it seems it is possible. Thanks for your time, @narta . Truly appreciate your inputs.

10/15 minutes to inject? Are you kidding me? Lol

That's madness xD with all the force to push and fiddling of the needle inside your muscle you creating more scar tissue that way than to use a 25G and a 2/3ml syringe and inject in 1 minute top