Yeah except I've read some anecdotes of poor mental effects with primo. So fingers crossed with mast.
You are correct. Early on..."Parenabol".
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Yeah except I've read some anecdotes of poor mental effects with primo. So fingers crossed with mast.
You are correct. Early on..."Parenabol".
HerAlewiin
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I'm very interested in your cycle and I have to catch up the whole thread, can I ask you some cycle related questione in dm?
Im a boxer and powerlifting so its hard to get the best of both worlds while having fertility as the top priority
Im a boxer and powerlifting so its hard to get the best of both worlds while having fertility as the top priority
Trenbolonetax
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Yes, or feel free to ask in this thread. Someone else may find it helpful.
Hah - you’re playing on hard mode. Tough combos. Probably test + DHT and/or EQ. Less AAS load less suppression. I’ve come to the understanding non aromatizavle AAS are least impactful to fertility. Any way you can dip back into physiologic levels will be helpful too. For example, test base or test prop rather than longer ester. AUC in physiologic range for short esters is greater than compared to longer esters if dosed intelligently which should result in less net suppression.
Gym response so not most articulate
Trenbolonetax
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I have done a terrible job at articulating this point. Will circle back.
Trenbolonetax
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…bit of a slip up. Oops.
Juiced_lizard
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Fair enough!
I guess your friends tell you the stuff you don't want to hear. I am torn here as I should just keep my f'n mouth shut, personal autonomy, etc.Good to knowalway remember to never go full retard ahaha
But this makes zero sense. No, not perfect timing at all. The height of selfishness. Even if just taking the capsules and not making stuff in the kitchen. Wife about to give birth. New baby on the way. TT never tried DNP. Now try it right before delivery? Even if the cataract chances are 1 in 10k, whatever it is, ain't going to look it up. Makes no sense. I'm out. Best wishes Brother.
@Sampei covered it more tactfully and humorously than I could have.
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HerAlewiin
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First of all let me Say you look bricked Brother, congrats
I was thinking of T and then maybe EQ or Primo as an ancillary to also not use and AI if possible as I Need the bone density in boxing. Eq may be more beneficial if I under stand correctly as It increases RC so i would like to know if It was runnable year round on trt dosages besides the blasts.
Other compounds i would touch are Anavar, tbol and adrol, the last 2 for strenght and Athletic performance but I dont know if they would worsen the fertility aspect. Wish there was a compound especially for max bone density.
I'm 25 and I really want to have Kids in the next five years, it appears that starting trt right away with hcg has the best chances to not lose the fertility completely but I'm waiting to read up some more and maybe find a coach where I live but Its very difficile here as AAS are a big taboo and not even pro bodybuilders are open about them
rexy
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It seems to be keeping me grounded and providing support for any slip so that I don't make things worse. I've found I can include 'treats' and it no longer sends me off the rails. I'm 30+ weeks on from recomping now with most of it in a deficit and things are starting to drag. So slips are going to be more likely from that. I could do with the fullness sensation people report, but I'm not experiencing that. I can still eat up to 2k calories in a meal and not feel full.
That said, considering how much diet fatigue I have, it's probably doing more than I realise mentally to offset what'd usually send me crazy by this point. I definitely don't have the same food drive and haven't been led to a binge.
I've ramped to 3mg per week, pretty fast, and haven't noticed anything in terms of physical sides at any point since starting. I don't experience fullness no matter how much I eat. No hunger but don't experience that much either way. I rely fully on the psych side to stop me slipping. The batch I got was tested at 2.95mg per vial from QSC but it has me questioning whether it's either duff or I just have minimal response to the physical side. I'm going to ramp further to see if I can hit a point I actually feel fullness or some physical effect, but if I don't then I am considering stopping to see whether psychological changes occur - because I think that's the only way I'll know how much reward system effect Sema is having. Come off it and then see it revert and compare.
I may also try Tirz.
Trenbolonetax
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Appreciate your perspective per usual, ReadAlot. I wouldn't log about it if I expected / wanted people to keep their mouth shut. In fact, I debated about mentioning I even decided to start DNP just given the stigma it has (no comment on whether that is rightfully earned or rather due to it's incredibly small therapeutic window creating ease of abuse / more susceptible to full retards), and my expectation of the negative reaction I'd get it. But decided to move forward with it anyways because my log isn't intended for approval by those who read, but rather to share my journey and experience regardless of how imperfect, ridiculous, selfish, stupid, whatever the fuck else it can be characterized as.
I'm certainly appreciative of those who share their perspective in good faith, regardless of whether it is in agreement, disagreement, or somewhere in between.
To clarify, by perfect timing, I mean "perfect timing since I'm cutting pretty aggressively anyways" not, "perfect timing, my wife is pregnant and due in 2 to 3 months, I'm going to try and fry the shit out of my insides and leave her to handle shit alone."
Idk man. You're obviously allowed to have whatever opinion you wish. But I disagree that this is the height of selfishness. I'll concede to the notion that the physique enhancement lifestyle is inherently selfish, but otherwise I'll just leave it at that in regards to an evaluation of my character.
He did a good job. Reminded me DNP ain't no joke, encouraged me to be careful, and brought my attention back to my planned health phase. Can't do much better than that.
I may re-evaluate and decide to move myself down to <2mg/kg so th.at I'm below the threshold for LOAEL -- depending on how this next week goes.
Don't want it to get lost that I appreciate you and your rational commentary + citing of literature.
I'm looking out for your eyes more than your "insides" at this point. Although that's a small probability.
And yes I understood how you meant "perfect timing" in context to your current cutting phase. Just offering perspective that it ain't perfect timing in the even remote chance stuff does go south for you in the perspective wrt wife and child. Ridiculous upside / downside at this moment.
We can agree to disagree and I appreciate your response. Take care.
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Trenbolonetax
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This is huge. That was one of the big things I noticed for myself. My disordered eating, became much more normal. Being able to say things like "No, TrenT, those will still be there later. You don't have to eat them all "cuz they're hot...."
Heh. I get this. You may be onto something with the diet fatigue. Similar to accumulated fatigue from training.
No binge = big win. I'm the type of guy that typically pops all the tires if I get one flat....y'know, that way I have to fix all 4 lol.
I don't think you're the first person talking about lack of effect from a GLP1 during all this China BS that has also tested appropriately.
Nice to have the existing literature with high dose sema out there. Gives a lot of room for you to push up.
I got physiologically full on Tirz compared to Reta. If you're looking for that "man I'm so stuffed and full" sensation, more likely to experience that with Tirz than Reta, imo.
rexy
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Interesting. Glad you mentioned that. I just find it bizarre to have such a lack of physical response compared to what other people have reported. Especially since Sema is known for being harsh on sides. I genuinely can't make myself feel full, and I tested it by doing one meal a day a couple of times. Still had room at 2kish calories. I genuinely haven't noticed any side effect at any dosage, even at the faster/bigger titrations as a result.
I've only got a few more vials left so they'll be finished in 2-3 weeks. I'm going to try a jump from 3mg to 4.5mg or so - or maybe just combine them and give it a Hail Mary last dose of 7.2mg. And if that does nothing, I'll assume it's been a dud.
I do feel like the psych effect I've gotten is subtle enough to have been placebo because I took other safety measures as well....such as making sure I only bought one pack of something. Next time round, having reconsidered it, I feel rather than focus on the psyche benefit, I'd probably gain more from the fullness sensation because one leads to the other anyway.
The issue with binge eating was that it never led to fullness, lol. The times I do experience proper fullness, food is repulsive and that's the effect it seems many report from GLPs. That tends to be the only blocker that truly turns off my desire for food that even disordered eating can't break through, lol. It just takes stupid amounts of food to reach it though and GLPs are meant to 'fix' that.
So seeing how others report GLP1s usually keep them stuffed this experiment with it has been strange, and next time round I'll probably just give Tirz a try from what will be another source rather than risk Sema again - unless the next nuke dose shows I just needed more.
Yes! Welcome to the dark side!
You started with 400 mg of DNP? You're a mad man. I always tell people to start with 100 if possible to check for allergies and work up every 3 days. How is the night sweats treating you?
DNP dangers are incredibly overblown. Straight from Wikipedia "between 2010 and 2020 at least 50 over dose deaths were reported". So during the time of DNP becoming far more available due to the rise of the internet and social media a grand total of 50 people died? Obviously there is no way to know the denominator, but I think it's safe to say millions of people used DNP in that time period.
Load up on anti oxidants. I've used DNP with a super regimented anti oxidant routine , and without. And mega dosing them does seem to make you feel much better.
You started with 400 mg of DNP? You're a mad man. I always tell people to start with 100 if possible to check for allergies and work up every 3 days. How is the night sweats treating you?
DNP dangers are incredibly overblown. Straight from Wikipedia "between 2010 and 2020 at least 50 over dose deaths were reported". So during the time of DNP becoming far more available due to the rise of the internet and social media a grand total of 50 people died? Obviously there is no way to know the denominator, but I think it's safe to say millions of people used DNP in that time period.
Load up on anti oxidants. I've used DNP with a super regimented anti oxidant routine , and without. And mega dosing them does seem to make you feel much better.
Trenbolonetax
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Thanks dude.
I also hate AI. For this reason, I like EQ, primo, and mast. Mast doesn't lower my serum e2, however, it can mask high e2 symptoms. I have found a liking for test + mast + eq or test + primo + mast. Haven't tried primo + eq since unsure if that would crash my estrogen twice as hard.
Well, you can do whatever you want, but you can't really call it TRT if you're including EQ. EQ is generally considered pretty mild on bloodwork for most so you could probably get away with running a low dose of it alongside TRT test year round and call it TRT+ or sports TRT. Similar to how some folks like primo or mast + their TRT.
So, just my experience:
adrol = not an athletic drug in the least bit. be good for PL though.
anavar = more athletic oral. similar to winstrol. however I also do get good strength increase even just pulsing a nice dose of anavar preworkout.
tbol = first oral i ran 10 years ago. couldn't tell you much about it; don't remember exactly and also was alongside 500 - 700mg test. i think maybe jack of all trades master of none is a good way to describe it lol.
orals are least negatively impactful to fertility due to their comparatively shorter half life and thus spend less time in your system.
if you're really looking to minimize impact on fertility I think you're looking at minimal test + DHT oil + dht oral. based on the principle that non-aromatizable drugs have less of a negative impact on fertility. but I don't know how much that would really differ compared to inclusion of EQ.
i was on for 10 years straight no HCG or HMG. needed to get off of all AAS for 6 months. I got my wife pregnant within that time.
you'll have to weigh the potential downside risk of causing fertility issues for yourself.
if you start on gear, make sure to also start HCG immediately. that'll be your best bet. and then you could consider cycling off of test for a couple months out of the year and just relying on HCG + enclomiphene. i would imagine this would be enough to keep your natural function "primed" so that should you need to get off of test, you'll have an easier time recovering and shorter time to sperm production compared to if you stay on 5 years straight (perhaps not if the HCG works with 100% effectiveness but I find that to be unlikely when comparing to not being on any AAS for a few months out of the year).
TLDR; use HCG if you get on gear. choose DHTs. avoid MENT, tren and nandrolones. get baseline sperm analysis with motility metrics. get one every 6 months to benchmark. be proactive with actions so you're not caught in an "oh fuck" 5 years from now when your wife / gf / bf / he / she / they / zir / zey / daddy / mommy wants a child.
Trenbolonetax
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Thanks! It's not so bad yet, lol.
Well, technically 200mg in the PM of day 1 (caps are 200mg; I wanted to check for allergy with the minimum dose). And then 400mg each day after.
That's seriously good advice. Night sweats aren't too bad. I'm eating very very very low carb. Like less than 50 per day of total carbs. But still getting my sheets slightly damp; nothing bad enough to change the sheets, just turn the fan on and leave it running in the morning and it's perfectly dry in a few hours.
Yeah tbh I don't worry about acute death at all. My biggest hesitation was the cataracts thing, but clearly I talked myself off of that ledge. Actually my friend IRL called me a pussy and I succumbed to peer pressure but doesn't really matter.
Yessir! Got a nice little stack going and also some high antioxidant whole foods.
rexy
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Peripheral neuropathy seems to be the other major risk - that's what put me off. There are examples on boards of people describing it; some on here too. I wasn't concerned about the cataract risk when I tried it but the neuropathy one freaked me out. I don't know whether it's overly represented seeing as those that don't experience it don't post, but I saw enough reporting it as an effect to consider it the biggest risk personally.
Trenbolonetax
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I take gabapentin at night so I'll be fine /s
Yeah that's another side effect of this stupidly effective chemical. What a shame lol. Hmm, well, I guess next up is BAM15!
But I do think you are right in the bias of feedback....large bias towards highly negative or highly positive; why tf else you gonna go through effort to comment?
Over representation by people who had the bad sides is probably the right view. I think a lot of people that have had good experiences with DNP don't like to post about it anymore because they get so much hate.
I won't lie my first DNP cycle had began to feel the neuropathy. But as soon as I was aware of the burning in my fingers and feet I stopped. The sensation went away as the DNP left my system. But I did this first cycle way to long and was using it as a crutch for years of bad diet.
And that's probably the other big factor that makes the drug look bad. It's abused by people that abuse food. It's the only drug that is guaranteed results. Before youtube scrubbed DNP content there was a youtuber with an eating disorder that would binge hard on ice cream and pizza and shit and then take a bunch of DNP. He had a video of him sitting in a cold shower due to the heat. Idk what happened to that guy but I guarantee that poor kid has some sort of long term issue.
I've known a lot of people that used DNP "responsibly" (I get the argument that there is no responsible way to use it) with one guy using up to a gram per day for a short period. None of them have had long term effects.
All that said, I don't think any of these people that used heavy doses of DNP in the past would do so now. It was a thing they did as young impatient men with no responsibilities. Hard to go to work dripping sweat and with red skin.
