MissedArmDay66
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Haven’t had any issues with it myself but i typically take it when i wake up and usually not working out until late afternoon, early evening
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What's your current old man cycle?
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Oldmanjointpain
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58 here. 400test & 300 Primo
Im curious...at 58, how long do you run that?
Oldmanjointpain
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I ran it for 20 weeks last winter and I’m running it again now for the same. I taper down to 200 test for summer. I’ve always been lean but the vascularity is nuts. I’m older so mass is not something I chase. Lipids went a little wonky. BP in the 130’s. Get plenty of cardio in. Had a full CV checkup last year and zero calcium score so not to worried.
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Zero calcium? Awesome! Getting my first one in a few weeks...a little nervous. A bud of mine got one done (he looks in great shape and has nvr had issues) and came back with "How have you not had a heart attack" lvls.
Oldmanjointpain
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Right. I was expecting plague too but nothing. Surprised considering I took a 25 years off fitness. Could be genetics or my diet was decent. Always ate clean and whole foods. Didn’t dabble in gear until 50 and only been moderate with limited compounds. Mostly test.
SnowyMiami
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Amazing how you feel great when you use the esters as intended.
Ateam2023
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you Already messed up , your 1st post should have been in the "new member introduction thread " introducing yourself to the "Meso community ", thats proper protocol around here, at least you didn't "start a new thread" as your first time, lol , , i thought there was a big red flashing sign on the sign up page stating " new members must read THE RULES"? This place sure is going to shit,,
malfeasance
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about the same age and I probably need to check that calcium score one day. The only reason I haven't is the doubt about whether it is actionable. Plenty of sources say you cannot lower the score.
shrug.
MissedArmDay66
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Had mine checked at 58 about a week ago and scored a 13. Nothing that will cause any issues right now but i was told there is no way to make the number lower
Oldmanjointpain
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I didn’t get that far in my research. I wasn’t to worried about CV. Didn’t have any symptoms. Not on any lipid or BP meds yet but I did run some low dose NPP a few times. Did read the rat study after the fact. Even though they got mega dose of 10mg per kilo I was a little concerned.
One thing that did come back was a very slight left ventricle thickening. Cardiologist said very slight athletes heart and probably from weight training. He didn’t seem to concerned. Did not disclose AAS use.
egruberman
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I love this. You won the lottery. Zero at 58 i sawesome.
Yeah, about that. Maybe consider an intervention here.
There is nothing in the literature that suggests that one can lower one's calcium score. It is actionable, however in that it more accurately characterizes risk. Moreover if the CT-CAC progresses over time, then a more aggressive intervention should be merited.
This is is the margin of error for a CT scan. In this case it is possible you could have zero result in a follow up.
Back to that BP. This could develop into a serious problem. Elevated BP in the presence of AAS will definitely cause this.
AlexDavis43
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It's no longer called athlete's heart when you're over 40. It's left ventricular hypertrophy.
MissedArmDay66
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Man i wish the doc would have told me this, i feel much better about it now, thanks. Probably do another one in a year or so to see how it looks
egruberman
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There's physiological LVH which happens in response to intense exercise, and occurs along with an increase in stroke volume. With pathological LVH there's an increase in wall thickness but no increase in stroke volume.
Given that the elasticity of the heart declines with age, LVH over 40 is more likely to be pathological.
Peter Attia, The MD who wrote the book "Outlive" which I do recommend had a similar calcium score that wasn't replicated after a few years. It scared him as he had a family history.
I would suggest that your approach depends on your other risk factors. BP, metabolic health, lipids, and family history. If there are other risk factors, you might consider getting a CT-A also known as a CCTA which will identify soft plaques and show the degree of stenosis (narroing of the arteries).
Problem being that insurance typically doesn't cover it.
Lacking any other risk factors, maybe replicate the test after a year or two. How's your lipids?
Oldmanjointpain
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I’ve asked my GP for / about Telmisartan and he says no need. I have a source rep that carries pharma Telmisartan so may just get it myself and start with 20mg.
egruberman
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This makes me mad, but is all too common. @Ghoul has some notions about how to go about getting a new prescription easily. Maybe he can chime in. At the very least he can share with me the feeling of being irate at the notion that a fucking medical doctor would leave stage 1 hypertension untreated.
Goddammit.
Look up high dose Vitamin K along with Vitamin D lowering calcium. On YouTube there are 2 doctors that documented lowering their calcium score.
I keep a close eye on my calcium score (38 at age 55) because of family history.
egruberman
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The question remains as to whether lowering one's calcium score improves outcomes. The presence of calcified plaque indicates advanced progression of ASCVD. Presuming one addresses the cause of plaque accumulation and that existing calcified plaque hasn't progressed sufficiently to inhibit flow rate, then I'm not sure that reducing it will yield an improved risk profile.
Even still, there's some work happening in this regard:
Reduction of Calcium Scores Using Intravenous Chelation: A Retrospective Pilot Study - PMC
This pilot study presents a retrospective analysis of 10 asymptomatic patients with a positive calcium score who received a series of intravenous calcium ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid (EDTA) chelations. Current standards for cardiovascular risk ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
~27 IV infusions of a chelating compound to yield a 25% reduction in one's calcium score seems like a pretty heavy lift for little benefit.
Regardless, vitamine K2 MK-7 + D3 have some really interesting data associated with them. It may not reduce calcified plaque, but it will inhibit further accumulation and is worth having. There's some data that show it softening and reversing calcified plaque, but it's sparse and there are no RCTs as of yet.
