"Only" taking 200mg ffs, lol! So, not trt then, but on a cycle? If so, i wouldn't worry about it.
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High estrogen? Or decent ?
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"Only" taking 200mg ffs, lol! So, not trt then, but on a cycle? If so, i wouldn't worry about it.
ve79
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No definitely not trt lol. My total testosterone is 1500 lol but why not worry about it?
Ateam2023
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what crap advice " i wouldn't worry about it" ? High estrogen like that is not good AT ALL, unless your trying to grow tits,,,,, lmao
"What crap advice". Ok doctor, thanks for that...
Well for starters, just so the OP knows - the 'ultrasensitive' LC/MS test is well known to be very accurate - when measuring at low levels of estradiol. Its accuracy at higher levels is hit and miss, and in fact, he'd have got a more reliable result using the immunoassay based e2 test which would almost definitely given a more accurate, and lower result. Secondly, if he's only on 200mg/week short term (and i'd said, if "on a cycle"), then unless there's any side effects, why worry about raised e2?
Well yours is actually just not that high. Your T/E ratio is around 33:1. If you google "ideal T/E ratio on trt", you'll see figures around 10:1. You're ok.
ve79
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I'm taking 1mg of arimidex per week so I hope it goes down
See my post above - you're already at a good level.
ve79
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Just looked it up on google but little confused to understand . It explains testosterone to estradiol) ratio is generally considered to be between 10 and 20; meaning for every 1 unit of estradiol, you should have 10-20 units of testosterone, with the mid-range. My estrogen is at 96 with total testosterone of 1500.
Eddie.
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It appears that ratio of estrogen to TT is just bullshit. There's no such thing. Estradiol needs to be inside the range or slightly above, max. Either on TRT either blasting 2gr of test. Estradiol is cardioprotective and has other benefits while on normal levels, more is not better, more is more chances of side effects.
"There's no such thing". Are you saying you don't understand what "ratio" is, or that it exists?!
Eddie.
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I understand what it is, i'm just saying it is not a valid way to measure estradiol.
I believe the way i wrote it was clear.
Got your e2 mixed up with the OP. So your ratio then is around 15:1. But, overall if your e2 is 96 pg/ml, then that is pretty high. If it was measured by ultrasensitive LS/MS, then it might not be accurate (due to that test only being accurate at low levels of e2)
Fair enough, i agree e2 shouldn't be very high. Just remember though, the ranges though weren't determined from people taking testosterone and having very high t levels
Eddie.
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Yeah, but why estradiol is ok to be 3+ times over the normal range and the rest of hormones like SHBG, prolactin, progesterone etc are not?
Afterall, estradiol is mostly a female hormone..that by itself should say something, i think we all agree we want to be and look as much as the opposite of that haha
The OP's level was 47, which isn't THAT high. The guy above with 96 pg/ml though, should probably either drop his dose or use an ai (or lose body fat if actually fat?)
Eddie.
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Yes, it's 47 with a 29 limit range though since it's a lc/ms. 47 for eclia it's good in my opinion, 47 for ultra sensitive maybe it's a bit high.. For the other guy with 96 there's definitely no reason to stay in that range and should start an AI.
Ateam2023
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oops my mistake, didn't catch the "if" ,,,,,
HUGE McBIGLARGE
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For whatever my anecdote is worth, I think the best thing is to get your e2 in range, and then experiment with higher and lower e2 based on feelz and biomarkers (BP and lipids, mostly)
“Your e2 needs to be in range”
“Your e2 needs to be a ratio of your T”
“Don’t treat e2 unless symptomatic”
Which doctrine is right? I dunno.
It took 25mg of exemestane daily to get my e2 in range. I felt better when I was on 12.5mg. So I’ll be going back to 12.5mg, letting my e2 go above range, and assessing the feels. I’ll then adjust my dose from there.
I did the same thing with my testosterone. I got my testosterone in range, then took a bit more and assessed the feels.
Feels > bloodwork. I’m taking these drugs to feel good, not achieve numbers that are arbitrarily labelled “good”.
E2 and testosterone are biomarkers that come with a lot of feelz. You can’t feel hyperlipidemia. You can’t feel diabetes (until it’s too late).
Until there’s some solid evidence that a particular e2 level is the healthiest, like a blind man at an orgy I’m going to have to feel my way through.
“Your e2 needs to be in range”
“Your e2 needs to be a ratio of your T”
“Don’t treat e2 unless symptomatic”
Which doctrine is right? I dunno.
It took 25mg of exemestane daily to get my e2 in range. I felt better when I was on 12.5mg. So I’ll be going back to 12.5mg, letting my e2 go above range, and assessing the feels. I’ll then adjust my dose from there.
I did the same thing with my testosterone. I got my testosterone in range, then took a bit more and assessed the feels.
Feels > bloodwork. I’m taking these drugs to feel good, not achieve numbers that are arbitrarily labelled “good”.
E2 and testosterone are biomarkers that come with a lot of feelz. You can’t feel hyperlipidemia. You can’t feel diabetes (until it’s too late).
Until there’s some solid evidence that a particular e2 level is the healthiest, like a blind man at an orgy I’m going to have to feel my way through.
ve79
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Thats exactly what im trying to accomplish. I just pulled back from 200mg of test to 150mg a week and upped my arimidex to 2mg a week. I just checked my e2 again and it went down from 96 to 74 so its coming down What i want to do is keep testosterone optimal and if I want to later and add another compound like deca or primo to put on a little more muscle and strength on cycle I can but at a low dose to stay away from side effect. Then cycle off and just stay on test at a low dose but before doing any other compounds I need to get my e2 inline and loose more body fat
HUGE McBIGLARGE
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Yeah get that e2 in range and go from there. Do consider that you may feel better with e2 above range.
The best I have ever felt was when my e2 had been at 110pg/ml for 6 months with total T at 1390ng/dl. Dick worked brilliantly. Libido high. No aches. No pains.
Ever since I’ve added AIs I’ve only ever felt worse lol. It was possibly just a coincidence. But maybe not!
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