Ghost guns

[TurboJet]

sorry it was bighunanaballs. You are both so studly that I mixed you up. It was the basis for my remarks about please don’t feel a need to protect my property, all you 17 year old boys with assault rifles, I’m good without your help.

You know damn well that a 17 year old turning up at a protest with an AR15 to “protect property” is hoping to create conflict and generate an outcome, which he got. Dude wasn’t there because he gives a shit about other people’s property. I remember being a stubborn, idiotic, invincible 17 year old myself, it’s exactly the kind of dumbass thing I’d have done.

Anyway, good for him, he got what he wanted. He was one of the lucky ones that managed to murder someone and get away with it. I’m not arguing the merits of the case, a jury already did that and found his dumbfuck actions to be legal.

Actually he didn't turn up at a protest with a firearm. If I recall correctly it was handed to him by the property owner. The shooting didn't actually take place at that property either. He retreated from protestors, was attacked by a skateboard wielding sex offender that he shot and killed. Then while he was on the ground he was approached by Gage?? Whom was pretending to be a medic with his hands up and when Rittenhouse looked away he produced a Glock from his waist band and attempted to execute Rittenhouse, and got shot in his arm for his trouble.

 

[TurboJet]

Here's a few quick pics for ya.

 

[iris]

Actually he didn't turn up at a protest with a firearm. If I recall correctly it was handed to him by the property owner. The shooting didn't actually take place at that property either. He retreated from protestors, was attacked by a skateboard wielding sex offender that he shot and killed. Then while he was on the ground he was approached by Gage?? Whom was pretending to be a medic with his hands up and when Rittenhouse looked away he produced a Glock from his waist band and attempted to execute Rittenhouse, and got shot in his arm for his trouble.

I think the media reported this in a different way, at least from what I remember here.

Those pictures are crazy, though.
To think that stuff like that happened, amongst civilians, is beyond, from a European perspective

 

[TurboJet]

I think the media reported this in a different way, at least from what I remember here

That they did, the unedited videos and the one's shown in court are all available on the Internet. If they could made any of the charges stick no matter the mental gymnastics involved they would have convicted him. That area of the country is extremely liberal and the looting and property destruction by their ilk was openly celebrated by those type.

 

[RandallFlagg]

I have a business with inventory. I kindly request no young men murder anyone stealing it on my behalf. Just call 911 for me, no need to larp as a vigilante hero. As a grown up who hasn’t played too many videogames, I’ll file an insurance claim about it and we can skip the murder part.

Until your insurance rates quadruple....or they outright cancel your coverage because of the area you live and conduct business in. What then?

I understand not necessarily wanting the loss of human life...but I suspect you would feel less self assured if you remove the insurance claim from the equation.

Also you're ignoring the fact that Rittenhouse was attacked. (But sure, it's of course worth remembering he went there when he didn't have to...I get that...but he didn't go there and start sniping as has already been pointed out).

I don't consider him some righteous hero but he was also in a life and death situation he wrongfully thought he could control with a big enough gun. The "victims" also put themselves in a life and death situation...the fault still goes both ways.

 

[TurboJet]

The media bias in the US is insane. Look at the last school shooting here. It's disappeared from the news cycle in days because it didn't fit the narrative. A liberal white female that hated men to the extreme and blacks (look up her manifesto) that wanted all men to be killed so females could make a perfect world.... But she had an online boyfriend supposedly..... All this went away overnight because it didn't fit with the proper narrative. Had it been a white male or anything else they could spin it would be a primary talking point for months.

 

[SpicyMeatball]

Actually he didn't turn up at a protest with a firearm. If I recall correctly it was handed to him by the property owner. The shooting didn't actually take place at that property either. He retreated from protestors, was attacked by a skateboard wielding sex offender that he shot and killed. Then while he was on the ground he was approached by Gage?? Whom was pretending to be a medic with his hands up and when Rittenhouse looked away he produced a Glock from his waist band and attempted to execute Rittenhouse, and got shot in his arm for his trouble.

You recall wrong so maybe do a quick google and try again

 

[TurboJet]

You recall wrong so maybe do a quick google and try again

By all means educate us here.

 

[TurboJet]

Fact Sheet: Kyle Rittenhouse | The Webster Law Office

In 2020, Kyle Rittenhouse shot two men and wounded a third at a protest in Kenosha, Wisconsin. The case has gone to trial, and the judge acquitted Rittenhouse of all charges. However, there are a lot of conflicting details about this case, which is why we’ve drafted a fact sheet…

thewebsterlawoffice.com

This is the very first Google result.

 

[iris]

Fact Sheet: Kyle Rittenhouse | The Webster Law Office

In 2020, Kyle Rittenhouse shot two men and wounded a third at a protest in Kenosha, Wisconsin. The case has gone to trial, and the judge acquitted Rittenhouse of all charges. However, there are a lot of conflicting details about this case, which is why we’ve drafted a fact sheet…

thewebsterlawoffice.com

This is the very first Google result.

The event that led to this.

Were people right in protesting or was the police's action fair?
What was the general view of that, from the American public?

One never hears about it.

 

[SpicyMeatball]

Fact Sheet: Kyle Rittenhouse | The Webster Law Office

In 2020, Kyle Rittenhouse shot two men and wounded a third at a protest in Kenosha, Wisconsin. The case has gone to trial, and the judge acquitted Rittenhouse of all charges. However, there are a lot of conflicting details about this case, which is why we’ve drafted a fact sheet…

thewebsterlawoffice.com

This is the very first Google result.

Im proud of you for googling it but next time you also need to read the result — That very link says he brought the gun. What do you think you’re proving with that link? That he wasn’t guilty? I already said a jury found him not guilty. I’m just applying a little common sense to the facts and y’all insist on acting like he is some righteous fellow. You can be a not guilty POS which is what he is. We don’t have to be dishonest with ourselves about what he was doing

 

[malfeasance]

I think the media reported this in a different way, at least from what I remember here.

Those pictures are crazy, though.
To think that stuff like that happened, amongst civilians, is beyond, from a European perspective

iris, the US media has an anti-gun agenda that borders on a crusade. They misrepresent things constantly and present the image they want to present sometimes subtly by not covering certain stories at all, but more generally misrepresenting what they do cover.

As for the Rittenhouse story, almost nothing reported matched the facts as shown on the multiple videos and as presented with evidence in an actual trial. Even while the trial was going on they misrepresented what was happening in the courtroom. I watched the trial. Then I would watch the news that evening and wonder what in the hell they were reporting . . .

 

[TurboJet]

The event that led to this.

Were people right in protesting or was the police's action fair?
What was the general view of that, from the American public?

One never hears about it.

This is directly from Wikipedia:

August 23, 2020, Jacob S. Blake, a 29-year-old black man, was shot and seriously injured by police officer Rusten Sheskey in Kenosha, Wisconsin.[2] Sheskey shot Blake in the back four times and the side three times[3] after Blake opened the driver's door of an SUV belonging to the mother of his children, and attempted to reach inside.[4][5] Sheskey said that he believed he was about to be stabbed, since Blake was holding a knife.[6][7] Earlier during the encounter, Blake had been tasered by two officers, but the tasers failed to disable him and he continued toward the vehicle.[8][9]

So..... That's a pretty good rundown and wiki is known to be very biased toward African Americans and liberal ideals.

 

[TurboJet]

Honestly tho that was just the excuse, most liberals were up in arms over the death of St. Floyd a few months before.

 

[RekTest]

The event that led to this.

Were people right in protesting or was the police's action fair?
What was the general view of that, from the American public?

One never hears about it.

You ever notice when people protest like this, its always over a certain race? “But my baby would never do no wrong!!!!” The mothers always scream to the media.
This was one of many protests at the time, and the American public was tired of it, because it was always just looting and literally burning buildings, hardly call it a protest.
The dope head resisting started these kind of protests.

 

[malfeasance]

The difference in culture is the obvious: USA is trying to actively interfere and control foreign soil, through wars (either economic, cyber or actual conflict) and on the other hand, Switzerland (and less known Sweden) are neutral to any state conflict since the 1815 and 1814 respectively.

In the USA violence is embedded into everyday living, since the day the Spaniards and Portugals set foot in the continent and decided to eradicate the native residents. Cowboys wielding guns in the open and using them cause...reasons was something casual. Hell, even today there are states that open carry is casual. The dog eat dog mentality.

On the other hand, the majority of Europe gun ownership is strictly controlled, you need background checks and reason to get a permit to carry. There is no, get a gun with a drivers license (that the average USA gun shop owner doesn't even have the means to check for validity).

Granted there are counties that have worst crime rates (Brazil, Venezuela, Mexico and Colombia) but do you really consider being better that those shitholes an achievement? I would be embarrassed personally.

Alas, it is what it is. We have a difference of opinion. And all that comes form a guy that he is very well educated on weapons. I just see them as useful tools in the correct hands, not something anyone can and should have in their possession

I know you did not want to go on about it, so thanks for taking the time to share your opinion at greater length.

The Swiss situation has long been a topic of interest for me.

 

[malfeasance]

Would you say them requiring them to serve, is in itself a form of education? Something the US is missing.

I do. It is not, however, the type of service that most of us think about. They are not active duty military. It is a militia. They barely show up for any sort of service at all. It is a citizen militia. They do their basic training and go home, then show up a few more times over the next several years.

Yes, they are expected to show up with that Sig SG 550 if the Germans invade and start shooting, but I imagine that is pretty far from the mind of the average 18 year old Swiss boy as something not very likely. Switzerland has not been invaded since 1798, although Italy and German had plans to do so during WWII.

But again, maybe they feel like they belong to something important as a part of the Swiss militia system.

All of the US school shooter types belong to nothing.

 

[malfeasance]

The "victims" also put themselves in a life and death situation...the fault still goes both ways.

If I see a guy with a rifle not harming anybody, or maybe even trying to help people, I should not as a first reaction think, "I should go attack and harm that guy with the rifle."

I do not think the fault goes the way of the kid who did not attack anybody and did everything he could to escape when multiple others attacked him.

Not anymore than a woman in a short skirt has fault going both ways if she goes into the wrong neighborhood and gets gang-raped. I do not have a blame the victim mentality.

 

[egruberman]

Would you say them requiring them to serve, is in itself a form of education? Something the US is missing.

What is missing is an actual will to approach the problem of gun violence, most of which occurs in approximately six urban areas and mostly among black youth. Beyond that, roughly half of the gun deaths in the US are suicide, which is another problem for which there is little will to tackle.

Given the geography of the political factions in the US, the first issue is primarily one the left needs to deal with given that these urban areas are largely run by Democrats. Unfortunately, the anti-gun folks have a different agenda and seem primarily interested in disarming the populace which is an impossible task vs. passing any sort of meaningful legislation that would curtail gun violence.

As an example, I tend to believe that a well-funded federal system for background checks consistently implemented in every state would catch folks buying guns that shouldn't oughta and could also reduce the hassle that the law-abiding folks have to deal with. Presently, there is a federal system, but it's inconsistently used and funded more or less well state by state. A bill was put forth to correct that issue a few years back, but was quickly tanked when someone added a "high capacity" magazine ban to it.

In any case, what should be done in these few areas where most of of the actual gun violence occurs is anyone's guess. Given how focused the problem is, we could devote a fraction of the resources of the anti-gun lobby to it and try any number of things. The amount of funding vs. the size and scope the problem would inevitably lead to a solution, even if it's "gather up all these kids and pay their way through college" or some such.

That's not going to happen, though because the people on the one side of the issue have an agenda they are hyper focused on that doesn't exist in the realm of reason, much like the folks on the other end of the issue have an agenda that doesn't exist in the realm of reason. By that I mean, the NRA used to be cool.

As for the suicides, well, I think that's a perfect example of a deeper underlying problem than access to guns and really, I have no fucking clue how to approach that. @malfeasance is on to something though. People that don't possess a sense of belonging or an obligation to their community are typically the ones that have the problems.

 

[TurboJet]

I do. It is not, however, the type of service that most of us think about. They are not active duty military. It is a militia. They barely show up for any sort of service at all. It is a citizen militia. They do their basic training and go home, then show up a few more times over the next several years.

Yes, they are expected to show up with that Sig SG 550 if the Germans invade and start shooting, but I imagine that is pretty far from the mind of the average 18 year old Swiss boy as something not very likely. Switzerland has not been invaded since 1798, although Italy and German had plans to do so during WWII.

But again, maybe they feel like they belong to something important as a part of the Swiss militia system.

All of the US school shooter types belong to nothing.

I'd give left nut for a Sig 553 but the few that were imported are high dollar and spare parts are unobtainium...