new to DHT dose Advice Needed

[Amgiji]

Your not running anything except way more adex than any of us would use. Transdermal test does not have the best bioavailabity. I know people take try it for trt that have to go to injection.

I would do that but the compounding pharmacy I found doesn't do injections and as it is my blood testosterone level routinely come back at 1,000+ ng/dl

I feel it's more important to get the other ones I don't have any of before optimizing the testosterone delivery method.

 

[Amgiji]

With no estrogen you probably feel like complete shit.

nope, no low energy no low libido no extra depression. no other side effects that's part of why this dose was oked for so long if my bones weren't melting I could do this indefinitely.

 

[Amgiji]

hand to God I feel mentally better with undetectable estradiol than I did at 25-60 pg/ml

and one time checking my testosterone high I was all most 3,000ng/dl (I think they fucked up the batch)
no roid rage no anxiety no depression just calm

far as I can tell I'm at least somewhat resistant to the negative mental effects of this stuff
(and that's part of the reason I'm more cavalier about this)

I dread going back to feeling that many mood swings but the whole rapidly disintegrating bones means I have to soon

 

[Amgiji]

Ok, why don't you give everyone an example of your current workouts?

I used to do a lot more squat, bench press, deadlift, curls ,lat raises, leg press almost every machine even had a personal trainer but for some reason even frequently at 1000+ng/dl blood testosterone levels just couldn't make progress
and eventually couldn't afford the trainer.

now a year later I mostly do physical therapy exercises nothing glamorous ie "reverse belly lift" "left side lying toward knee" " standing supported right knee flexion with left hip extension"

to build up a base of strength while I get my hormones and food (I don't think I was eating enough back then) right so I don't end up in a situation where even going to the gym every other day it takes 3 and a half months to add 5lbs to my rack pull again (yes that happened)

 

[dafqu1]

3mg adex is hellish even taking 1g of test 1mg of adex every other day was putting me into a coma. 3mg everyday is death lol if you're not trolling i think the people you are seeing with the test gel shit are trying to kill you. gels suck, you need to get on real trt as soon as possible and if u cant just do it yourself

 

[I6JQdr06]

if you read my other posts you would know I'm already on arimidex and the goal is not to stop it entirely but to reduce it and to stop having undetectable levels (less than 5mcg/dl)of estradiol.

but more importantly I already have most of the side effects of this stuff without any of the benefits,

I already had boobs, I already am blading, I already have acne, I already have a bubble gut, my joints already have a hard time doing even physical therapy level exercises, (remember hgh is supposed to heal joints) I already can barely eat anything, I already take 50pills a day I already live like an old man, I already live like I'm stuck in hospice.

that's the point you people never seem to get.

I am already dealing with or will have to deal with most of the side effects of this stuff without any of the benefits.

the point is to get to a high level of performance and function to get something out of being alive,
cost and consequences be dammed since I'll have to deal with the same health problems anyway.

the point is

TO GET SOME QUIALITY OF LIFE

Ok. I’m going to wade in but bear in mind I’m just a person on the internet with no medical experience.

You should get a new doctor. Both your test and E2 levels should be within the reference range for men. It sounds like your doctor is giving you so much arimidex that your E2 levels are undetectable? That’s going to be responsible at least in part for your shitty quality of life. You need estrogen to function properly.

It seems to me with the correct medical care you could be on TRT and whatever estrogen control necessary to keep your levels around the middle of the reference range.

 

[Amgiji]

Yep, and it's all got to be done in 10 months. Set healthy, realistic goals of being an average man. Then maybe you'll get some responses from people here who are willing to help you get there.

the goal was to become less short and more masculine in that time frame and then figure out a lower long-term dose of hgh and dht( as it's good for strength as it effects the nerves) to use for strongman it was never "become strongman in 10 months or die"
quote the ending line of my new member introduction.

I want to get anything I can out of this (without blowing out my liver) in those 10 months and then to make up for lost time figure out a long-term dose to help me do strongman events.

the "and then" is important.

 

[Amgiji]

Ok. I’m going to wade in but bear in mind I’m just a person on the internet with no medical experience.

You should get a new doctor. Both your test and E2 levels should be within the reference range for men. It sounds like your doctor is giving you so much arimidex that your E2 levels are undetectable? That’s going to be responsible at least in part for your shitty quality of life. You need estrogen to function properly.

It seems to me with the correct medical care you could be on TRT and whatever estrogen control necessary to keep your levels around the middle of the reference range.

nope, no low energy no low libido no extra depression. no other side effects that's part of why this dose was oked for so long if my bones weren't melting I could do this indefinitely.

and

hand to God I feel mentally better with undetectable estradiol than I did at 25-60 pg/ml
I dread going back to feeling that many mood swings but the whole rapidly disintegrating bones means I have to soon.

 

[I6JQdr06]

I mean, I’d suggest adding 250-300mg of masteron on top of your TRT but I’m super hesitant to because your needs are so complex, I don’t want to responsible for doing you extra harm. On the pros side (for your purposes), 3 months of this made me sprout way more body hair than I previously had. On the cons side, it made me feel a little more creaky than I already do (not great if your joints are already fucked). The enanthate ester is way easier to dial in than the propionate ester, which is more for drug tested athletes who are looking for a compound which will clear their system quickly. I took something like 140mg every 4 days.

Halotestin is also used to induce puberty. Athletes take 10-20mg per day. I’ve no idea if this would be a good idea for you. Maybe ask your doc to prescribe it?

EDIT: I’m no bodybuilder but from what I can tell there’s a current fashion in that scene for taking very high doses of compounds. Bear this in mind when taking dosage advice from someone here.

 

[Amgiji]

I mean, I’d suggest adding 250-300mg of masteron on top of your TRT but I’m super hesitant to because your needs are so complex, I don’t want to responsible for doing you extra harm. On the pros side (for your purposes), 3 months of this made me sprout way more body hair than I previously had. On the cons side, it made me feel a little more creaky than I already do (not great if your joints are already fucked). The enanthate ester is way easier to dial in than the propionate ester, which is more for drug tested athletes who are looking for a compound which will clear their system quickly. I took something like 140mg every 4 days.

Halotestin is also used to induce puberty. Athletes take 10-20mg per day. I’ve no idea if this would be a good idea for you. Maybe ask your doc to prescribe it?

EDIT: I’m no bodybuilder but from what I can tell there’s a current fashion in that scene for taking very high doses of compounds. Bear this in mind when taking dosage advice from someone here.

thank you for the reply. don't worry you aren't the first person to suggest that and I'm not starting anything yet time limit or not I still need to try to figure out the best course of action that reasonably I can.

 

[Amgiji]

3mg adex is hellish even taking 1g of test 1mg of adex every other day was putting me into a coma. 3mg everyday is death lol if you're not trolling i think the people you are seeing with the test gel shit are trying to kill you. gels suck, you need to get on real trt as soon as possible and if u cant just do it yourself

I'm not trolling everyone I've seen talk about AI'S say the same thing but,
I don't know if my estrogen receptors don't work or if my default state of being is so fubar that it's worse than taking that much or what's going on but I've been on that dose for years and the only negative effect is the lower bone density.

you can only get a maximum of 2 mg of arimadex I have a normal prescription and one for the compounding pharmacy I alternate them as needed to take 3 per day.

as for the testosterone testing I do an overnight 12 hour fast put the cream on at11 am wait 2 hours to get it checked at 1pm then do whatever but don't take the cream again the next day,
then after another 12 fast go in at 11 am to see what's still =in my system
after 24 hours without the cream
(every second number is that "low" (24 hours without the cream) designated by a (#))
this is my last 16 times

results from testosterone cream dosed as 200MG/MG apply 12 clicks (120 mg) topically to the forearms once per day every day.

from 11/8/22 to 8/23/23 dose and everything else I did remand the same the entire time (other than doing a bit more exercise)

total testosterone (1,156) (1,007#) (1,380) (981#) (1,596) (901#) (1,906) (1,137#) (962) (1,340#) (1,538) (1,108#) (2,940) (1,836#) (1,410) (1,892#)

free testosterone (288.7) (244.2#) (324.9) (218.1#) (444.7) (206.1#) (547.5) (280.5#) (236.8) (380.3#) (443.0) (308.0#) (960.8) (558.0#) (388.3) (565.7#)

sex binding globulin (33.7) (33.3#) (41.1) (38.3#) (32.2) (35.2#) (33.6) (34.2#) (31.7) (27.8#) (29.1) (26.3#) (31.7) (28.3#) (30.7) (30.2#)

I thought these were pretty high hence

as it is my blood testosterone level routinely come back at 1,000+ ng/dl

I feel it's more important to get the other ones I don't have any of before optimizing the testosterone delivery method.

but if I am wrong please do let me know.

 

[dafqu1]

i dont know what kind of advice to give you cuz your situation is so weird and ur doctor seems to think you need non existent estrogen to keep growth plates open? but the test lvls is good for a trt dose, for a supra physiological dose like u would want during a cycle for rapid changes to the body its crappy. definitely not high enough test lvls to warrant 3mg adex a day...thats probably the main problem and why you lost height and have gotten so weak.

 

[TheRingloVale]

Why not use letrozole? It would surely be more effective for what you're trying to do with less health impact than arimidex

 

[Amgiji]

i dont know what kind of advice to give you cuz your situation is so weird and ur doctor seems to think you need non existent estrogen to keep growth plates open? but the test lvls is good for a trt dose, for a supra physiological dose like u would want during a cycle for rapid changes to the body its crappy. definitely not high enough test lvls to warrant 3mg adex a day...thats probably the main problem and why you lost height and have gotten so weak.

1 any amount of estrogen chips away at your growth plates and the older you are when you get your estrogen surge the faster they close

2

that trail dose is just 5MG of topical cream between the forearms, it made my estradiol go from 25 to 60 pg/m

sometimes I even get to 6-8 pg/ml even on 3mg of arimadex, it's not too much sometimes it's not even enough.

 

[Amgiji]

Why not use letrozole? It would surely be more effective for what you're trying to do with less health impact than arimidex

Letrozole is an oral, anti-estrogen drug Letrozole inhibits the enzyme in the adrenal glands that produces the estrogens, estradiol and estrone

arimidex is an aromatase inhibitor arimidex works by blocking aromatase enzyme at the receptor

it's been a long time since I looked at AI's so please correct me if I'm wrong but how I remember it Letrozole stops you from making it but leaves the receptor open so if you have a hormone secreting tumor or ingest estradiol it doesn't help.

where arimidex doesn't stop you from making it but binds to the receptor so your estradiol however it's in your body (made by you or not) can't do anything

and while Letrozole had better blood levels arimidex had a higher rate of inhibition in the tissue where it matters more in my case.

but again
it's been a long time since I looked at AI's so please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Amgiji]

part of the reason I want DHT is while my test is trt ok levels my testosterone to DHT ratio is Godawful
it should be 3.5 to 14 test to DHT but
I am borderline 5-alpha reductase 2 deficient it's typical diagnosed at a ratio of 1:18

the last 6 time I got testosterone and DHT checked DHT converted from pg/ml to ng/dl with range of what it should have been in **

was 1,538 to 80.65 {1:19.07} (80.65) should have been *439.4 -109.8*

was 1,108 to 52.18 {1:21.23} (52.18) should have been *316.5 -79.14*

was 2,940 to 133.74 {1:21.98} (133.74) should have been *840 -210*

was 1,836 to 87.39 {1:21} (87.39) should have been *524.5 -131.1*

was 1,410 to 116.61 {1:12.09} (116.61) should have been *402.8 -100.7*

was 1,892 to 103.93 {1:18.2} (103.93) should have been *540.5 -135.1*

I'm hoping that by taking DHT and getting it to the level it should be I can masculinize properly and stop aromatizing so extremely heavily.

 

[FleshGod]

Yeah dude, your situation is really complex so take it all with a grain of salt.

You need TRT base, like 150-250mgs/ week(test c or e)
Masteron is your DHT, you should run at the same amount or lower. Experiment by feels, Can be harhs on joints.
Deca or NPP 50mgs/week. Its an ultra low dosage that probably can do wonders for the joints. Can get gyno issues in higher dosages (from 300 onwards) but as you are a heavy aromatizer, check it and stop if feel strageness and itchings on your nipples

Regulat HGH 3-5uis a day, as separate from foods as possible (so take it when going to sleep or just waking up and then dont eat for 2 hours)

Forget creams. You have to dosage all these via injections. SubQ with insulin jeringes is the belly area is dead easy, free of pain and perfect to administrate all these drugs.

Also, execute as fast as you can. Taking 3mgs arimidex a day is killing your heart and bone structures as minutes happens. You want to stop it as fucking soon as possible.

Good luck dude and go for it. If doctors can´t or dont know you have to take the final responsability of your health

 

[Amgiji]

Yeah dude, your situation is really complex so take it all with a grain of salt.

You need TRT base, like 150-250mgs/ week(test c or e)
Masteron is your DHT, you should run at the same amount or lower. Experiment by feels, Can be harhs on joints.
Deca or NPP 50mgs/week. Its an ultra low dosage that probably can do wonders for the joints. Can get gyno issues in higher dosages (from 300 onwards) but as you are a heavy aromatizer, check it and stop if feel strageness and itchings on your nipples

Regulat HGH 3-5uis a day, as separate from foods as possible (so take it when going to sleep or just waking up and then dont eat for 2 hours)

Forget creams. You have to dosage all these via injections. SubQ with insulin jeringes is the belly area is dead easy, free of pain and perfect to administrate all these drugs.

Also, execute as fast as you can. Taking 3mgs arimidex a day is killing your heart and bone structures as minutes happens. You want to stop it as fucking soon as possible.

Good luck dude and go for it. If doctors can´t or dont know you have to take the final responsability of your health

thank you for the reply.

the main thing stopping me from going off arimidex (or acting on any of the advice here)
is I'm dirt poor, less than 900 a month from disability
(if ssi sees 100$'s go to www.steroids.com it will be my ass)

don't have a smart phone (or the apps on it ie cash app)

and I am more or less technologically illiterate so crypto is something I don't know anything about.

made a whole thread on that till someone got offended from me saying gh clinics mark ups are too high and took away my privileges to the steroid underground so,
I can't follow up on my own goddamn thread linked

((HERE))

I am still trying to gather information so when I'm in a better place
(or figure out how to do it from this site) I'll know what to try then.
I can only hope my bones and heart can hold on till then.

 

[I6JQdr06]

Ok. It sounds like your health situation is out of your control but technological illiteracy is an area you can do something about.

Take responsibility for your own destiny wherever you can, maybe?

 

[Amgiji]

Ok. It sounds like your health situation is out of your control but technological illiteracy is an area you can do something about.

Take responsibility for your own destiny wherever you can, maybe?

not a bad idea