Anyone decrease test while increasing HCG?

[Theworm]

My thought was to decrease my test dose while increasing hcg from say 1000 weekly to 2000 weekly to see if I could have more of my natural production of test going (Ie bigger testicles etc) while relying on less exogenous test?

I’m doing 100 mg test a week and 1000 hcg and my TT is 700 and free T 200 (35-155), estrogen 20. I was thinking of dropping the test to 70 mg a week and upping hcg to 2000 to see if my testicles can produce more endogenous test. Anyone else try this? I know estrogen will be tricky up control but I can check labs monthly

 

[buck]

It appears that you are assuming that the more HCG you take the more testosterone is made. But that is not what i have seen in studies. Like most things once a certain threshold is met results taper down. Testies can/will only produce a certain amount of testosterone.

Low-Dose Human Chorionic Gonadotropin Maintains Intratesticular Testosterone in Normal Men with Testosterone-Induced Gonadotropin Suppression

In previous studies of testicular biopsy tissue from healthy men, intratesticular testosterone (ITT) has been shown to be much higher than serum testostero

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[TRT@40]

My thought was to decrease my test dose while increasing hcg from say 1000 weekly to 2000 weekly to see if I could have more of my natural production of test going (Ie bigger testicles etc) while relying on less exogenous test?

I’m doing 100 mg test a week and 1000 hcg and my TT is 700 and free T 200 (35-155), estrogen 20. I was thinking of dropping the test to 70 mg a week and upping hcg to 2000 to see if my testicles can produce more endogenous test. Anyone else try this? I know estrogen will be tricky up control but I can check labs monthly

Several years ago, I was on HCG monotherapy.
What I want to share from that experience is that keep an eye on your estrogen as it skyrocketed for me. Ended up with high estrogen symptoms.
If your boys are working properly, HCG monotherapy can bring your test to the level and get the raisins to plump up.
How long has it been since you started TRT and cycling?

 

[Theworm]

Several years ago, I was on HCG monotherapy.
What I want to share from that experience is that keep an eye on your estrogen as it skyrocketed for me. Ended up with high estrogen symptoms.
If your boys are working properly, HCG monotherapy can bring your test to the level and get the raisins to plump up.
How long has it been since you started TRT and cycling?

Prob over 15 years cycling and 6 years on trt , all while on trt I was on hcg…
I’ve read adding fsh to hcg may be a better option, adding fsh to some have really increased sperm count and increased testicles even more than hcg alone.

 

[UncleBuns]

I'm trying 100 mg test cyp and 1000ui HCG weekly right now. Was at 125 test but needed an AI because of estro sides. Feel great so far. Think I'll stay at 100 and 1000 until I can get blood work to see what my numbers are.

There's probably only 1 way to find out if high HCG will work for you.

Let us know how it goes. I'll share my results when I can in May.

 

[Theworm]

I'm trying 100 mg test cyp and 1000ui HCG weekly right now. Was at 125 test but needed an AI because of estro sides. Feel great so far. Think I'll stay at 100 and 1000 until I can get blood work to see what my numbers are.

There's probably only 1 way to find out if high HCG will work for you.

Let us know how it goes. I'll share my results when I can in May.

Thanks, I think an actual measure of how good hcg works is by checking 17 hydroxyprogesterone:

 

[UncleBuns]

Thanks, I think an actual measure of how good hcg works is by checking 17 hydroxyprogesterone:

That's a new one to me. What you posted makes it sound like that is more geared towards fertility? Are you looking to increase sperm count/quality?

I'm using HCG as I'm not sure I want to dedicate to TRT long term. I'm trying it out and using the HCG to maintain testicle function as much as possible in case I decide to not go for the long haul.

I would think altering the dose of test and HCG,
followed by hormone blood test, would be the way to go to find your individual sweet spot from a hormone standpoint. If fertility is the goal I would just get the swimmers tested.

 

[Theworm]

That's a new one to me. What you posted makes it sound like that is more geared towards fertility? Are you looking to increase sperm count/quality?

I'm using HCG as I'm not sure I want to dedicate to TRT long term. I'm trying it out and using the HCG to maintain testicle function as much as possible in case I decide to not go for the long haul.

I would think altering the dose of test and HCG,
followed by hormone blood test, would be the way to go to find your individual sweet spot from a hormone standpoint. If fertility is the goal I would just get the swimmers tested.

Not fertility for me, I have 6 kids. Just merely looking to keeping an organ still alive (testicles) while still on trt. I notice some shrinkage on trt even with 1000 hcg weekly. I really wanna keep them going as they also produce other hormones as well , pregnenolone etc, which some say makes them feel better etc.

 

[LW64]

I was thinking of dropping the test to 70 mg a week and upping hcg to 2000 to see if my testicles can produce more endogenous test. Anyone else try this? I know estrogen will be tricky up control but I can check labs monthly

There's no way to guess the result but as long as you're willing to have labs done then you'll have your answer.

 

[mironmiron]

That's a new one to me. What you posted makes it sound like that is more geared towards fertility? Are you looking to increase sperm count/quality?

I'm using HCG as I'm not sure I want to dedicate to TRT long term. I'm trying it out and using the HCG to maintain testicle function as much as possible in case I decide to not go for the long haul.

I would think altering the dose of test and HCG,
followed by hormone blood test, would be the way to go to find your individual sweet spot from a hormone standpoint. If fertility is the goal I would just get the swimmers tested on https://ca.edubirdie.com/pay-for-homework I pay for homework

Uhmm, I disagree HCG is only for fertility. As I know, it is also used to maintain testicular function in men who are taking testosterone therapy.

I mean if you are taking testosterone therapy, I recommend talking to your doctor about whether or not you should also take HCG.

The dosage of HCG will vary depending on you individually. And I 'm saying that based on academic research studies and one of my bad experiences...

 

[UncleBuns]

Uhmm, I disagree HCG is only for fertility. As I know, it is also used to maintain testicular function in men who are taking testosterone therapy.

I mean if you are taking testosterone therapy, I recommend talking to your doctor about whether or not you should also take HCG.

The dosage of HCG will vary depending on you individually. And I 'm saying that based on academic research studies and one of my bad experiences...

Did you even fucking read the post you quoted? Where did I say HCG is only for fertility? I actually state I use it to preserve testicular function. Thanks for stating obvious things that are irrelevant to this thread.

 

[buck]

I use HCG for many systems of the body. I do not think i have ever found a hormone that only does 1 thing. They tend to be used for multiple applications. It seems well documented that HCG has an influence of the P450 pathway. And may help with nerves and the vascular system.

Human Chorionic Gonadotropin Protects Vascular Endothelial Cells from Oxidative Stress by Apoptosis Inhibition, Cell Survival Signalling Activation and Mitochondrial Function Protection

Abstract. Background/Aim: Previous reports have made it hypothetically possible that human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) could protect against the onset of pregnancy-related pathological conditions by acting as an antioxidant. In the present study we planned to examine the effects of hCG against...

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Human Chorionic Gonadotropin Induces Neuronal Differentiation of PC12 Cells through Activation of Stably Expressed Lutropin/Choriogonadotropin Receptor

Human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) and LH play an important role in reproductive physiology. Both hCG and LH bind to the same LH/choriogonadotropin receptor (LH

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[Abraham Hancock]

what kind of test itself could it be?

 

[fike]

I was prescribed 200 mg test C and 250 IU EOD HCG which had me at the upper end of reference range. Depending on the day it could be 1350-1500. My wife and I began to try to get pregnant again so my provider recommended that I drop test to 160 mg per week and increasing HCG to 500 IU EOD. This actually pushed me out of the reference range every time I tested. It was always above 1500. With that said, he told me I could go back up to 200 with the test and still keep the HCG at 500 EOD. Haha. He’s good with. It and so am I. I’m always pushing outside of 1500 now, but it’s all good. On another note, it was at this current dosage protocol, along with a few other goodies, that I got my wife pregnant. Shes at 11 weeks today.

The HCG really seems to give a nice boost of testosterone from my balls at the 500 IU EOD dose.

 

[Type-IIx]

This isn't the first time I've heard of this idea. A particularly thoughtful, but obviously young and exuberant Dutch medical student, proposed this idea some time ago on the internet. If it's who I think it was, I believe he has altered his view towards maintenance of spermato- & steroido- genesis with hCG & hMG while on cycle/blast. It's theoretically a very good idea, but since testosterone is so suppressive, it just doesn't pan out. Probably a fine idea with something less supressive, or on par with, metandienone (Dbol) though!