They do it every day you dip shit cocksucker.
Just look at the current economy and the 08 crash
In other words, they don't know shit about the Russian economy and neither do you.
Shut the fuck up you bitch Canadian pussy.
Nobody cares what you say
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Just look at the current economy and the 08 crash
In other words, they don't know shit about the Russian economy and neither do you.
Shut the fuck up you bitch Canadian pussy.
Nobody cares what you say
They're wrong all the time on what the future of the economy is. If you knew the future you'd have more money than Warren Buffet. But they know the current state, especially with a few months of data. For the time being, Russia is refusing to release that data. Has been since Q2 2022.
I agree completely @Big_paul
And I believe there could be a peace in Ukraine that doesn't involve the total destruction of the ukranian people.
Unfortunately, Washington and the biden administration have to want to end it. And the reality is that they don't. Because they still have Americans money and Ukrainian bodies to spend to make money for themselves.
At the end of the day, as much as we disagree on many trivial things. We very much agree on the principal things that matter
Except you're a stupid bitch that had admitted openly they don't know the current state anymore than they can predict the future
They don't even tell the truth about truth about our own "current state".
So please, just slither your slimy conniving punk ass back over the Canadian border and kindly fuck off. Because this doesn't concern you or your castrated totalitarian country
I'm not even Canadian, never even been there before. Met a doctor at a conference from there before once, very humble and smart. But it's funny you say America shouldn't dominate the world, shouldn't have spheres of influence and yet Canadians don't matter.
But if anything I think most Canadians would agree with you about Washington being arrogant. Your arrogant stuff about Louisiana cajuns in jungle fighting and Texas marines don't help. I've lived in Texas, it's more of an air force state. All air force basic training is done there. The space program is there. In fact the Marines and Coast Guard are the only branches without bases in TX. And no they are not going to break off into a separate republic just because Trump denies the election results like with your conspiracy - Houston and Dallas are far too connected with the rest of the country.
Their hands are tied as long as the Ukrainians and Russians want to keep fighting. 40 countries are sending aid. And if you want to talk about broken promises, we promised we would do this if Russia attacked back in 1994 when they gave up their nukes:
Budapest Memorandum - Wikipedia
You can make the case that "hey, don't vote for Biden," you've been doing that on a full time basis for 2 years... 6000+ posts, multiple bannings, but don't make stuff up. Don't spread Russian propaganda. Don't wish for Ukraine to fail just so Biden can fail.
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Without the data Russia is withholding, yes. The point I was making is you can't know Russia's rosy picture of their economy is true either. And there are some things to show it's not. Their economy could be cratered and no one would know.
Unlike you, Professor Sonnenfeld and I don't claim things to be true if we can't prove it. The IMF, without knowing the true state of Russia's economy themselves, just has to take Russia's word for it. Without being able to buy the ruble you just have to go by Russia's stated value for it. But obviously there's more to the story.
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Obviously things are much different than what we're being told here in America.
That's been my point all along.
There's no way Ukraine has burned through the stockpile of NATO and American weapons and ammunition like they have and are somehow winning.
They've had to have lost for more men than they're admitting because they're out of manpower and are literally at the bottom of the barrel whereas Russia it seems has a stronger military today mobilized and prepared than they did at the beginning.
Objective observation tells a rational person that Russia is sitting on everything it wants in Ukraine and has dug in and built a force to defend it indefinitely. In other words, they've prepared themselves for a possible war with all of NATO
And NATO is far from being prepared to do anything else at this point
The Ukraine is winning narrative just doesn't match the facts.
I've been telling you that from the beginning.
Good to see your finally admitting it.
That idiot is from the same small circle of morons you've been parroting from day one.
He has no better idea of the condition of the Russian economy than he does the American economy. And they're all lying about both.
What we can be sure of, Is that if the Russian economy and manufacturing capabilities have outperformed NATO in ammunition and equipment then they can't be "sitting idle" facing broken down factories and decrepit manufacturing. Again, the narrative just doesn't add up.
That's just simple common sense. It cannot be refuted it's so obvious.
Obviously, there's more to the story.
And obviously the western propoganda narratives are complete bullshit
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Once again , your bullshit narrative just doesn't make any sense.
Washington has sabotaged peace talks already. And the entire ukranian government is funded by Washington. The war manuevers are guided and coordinated by Washington.
If anybody has enough leverage to stop the fighting, it's Washington.
Obviously their hands are not tied.
They're just not interested in making peace
The bastards in the Biden administration just a few days ago rejected the Chinese peace plan without even looking at it.
Obviously they know they've got the leverage
And Washington is eventually going to be forced to negotiate a peace at some point. That's obvious.
They can't afford to keep it up, no matter what they say. Regime change in Washington would happen before they succeed. Or they'll simply run out of ukranian people to use
The thing is, now there's no choice but to accept Ukraine ceding territory to Russia. And the longer this goes on, the more territory they're going to lose and the more humiliation Washington will face.
Other NATO members will wonder what good it's doing
Because had they negotiated from the start, ukranian neutrality, equal rights for ethnic Russian people in Ukraine and anonymity for the Donbass was all it would have cost them.
But Washington encouraged them to fight. Promising them enough support to achieve a total victory.
It's now obvious that's not going to happen. Ukranians got played by Washington and used for purposes not their own.
Washingtons ally's are getting thin and it's enemies growing stronger and bolder. They've done it to themselves
They can't afford to keep it up, no matter what they say. Regime change in Washington would happen before they succeed. Or they'll simply run out of ukranian people to use
The thing is, now there's no choice but to accept Ukraine ceding territory to Russia. And the longer this goes on, the more territory they're going to lose and the more humiliation Washington will face.
Other NATO members will wonder what good it's doing
Because had they negotiated from the start, ukranian neutrality, equal rights for ethnic Russian people in Ukraine and anonymity for the Donbass was all it would have cost them.
But Washington encouraged them to fight. Promising them enough support to achieve a total victory.
It's now obvious that's not going to happen. Ukranians got played by Washington and used for purposes not their own.
Washingtons ally's are getting thin and it's enemies growing stronger and bolder. They've done it to themselves
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@hometeam is not a very smart person, despite the way he sounds.
He's cheering on an empire motivated by greed and ambition, like all other empires
What he can't comprehend is that empire is not a program, or a policy,, it is a process, like rust or erosion. Every empire eventually eats its own because it always keeps pushing further, further until its allies start to balk and then become targets themselves. That process never stops unless it’s forced to. Because the model is not sustainable. Eventually it eats everything it can, then eats itself.
We're watching it eat itself right now. As our elites get more and more desperate and cling to what power they have. While paying for the consequences of thier own greed and destruction
He's cheering on an empire motivated by greed and ambition, like all other empires
What he can't comprehend is that empire is not a program, or a policy,, it is a process, like rust or erosion. Every empire eventually eats its own because it always keeps pushing further, further until its allies start to balk and then become targets themselves. That process never stops unless it’s forced to. Because the model is not sustainable. Eventually it eats everything it can, then eats itself.
We're watching it eat itself right now. As our elites get more and more desperate and cling to what power they have. While paying for the consequences of thier own greed and destruction
For some reason you have equated artillery manufacturing capability with an overall economic production of a country. Ammunition is not difficult or expensive to make. It just takes metal, gunpowder and explosives and not much of it. Even if you're making 50,000 rounds a day you're probably only employing 1,000 people to do it. But you can't do it without the machinery and tooling.
Here's a video of it being made:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj8KjjZVZYw
It's not sophisticated. They've been doing it for 150 years.
Russia's military and military industrial complex is built for fighting a land war is Europe or Asia, which you need a lot of tanks and artillery for. In contrast, the US does not foresee a war with Canada or Mexico, our military is built to fight a naval war in the Pacific or invade a country in the Middle East. So we have a formidable air force and navy, lots of missiles and helicopters and amphibious equipment.
Russia has the economy the size of Chile and exports 1/10th the goods we do. But they have held onto a lot of the machinery it takes to make artillery rounds. They export a lot of cheap arms to poor countries. So, now that we're supporting a land war in Ukraine we have to increase our artillery manufacturing capability. I'm not sure what makes you think that just because we're playing catch up in that one capability that somehow Russia is an economic peer or manufacturing peer or it's employing their whole country to do that. I'd like to see them try to make medical devices like Philips or electric cars like Tesla.
Not if you know what you're talking about. Putin ordered his generals to capture all of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts by March, afterall they have already declared them to be annexed and Russia now. They haven't done that yet.
They're still attacking Zaporizhzhia, the 6th largest city in Ukraine, and getting nowhere except they hold the nuclear power plant - too risky for the Ukrainians to take it back.
They annexed Kherson, and lost it. And they'd love Odessa, no doubt about it, but they have to take Kherson and Mykolaiv first. Kharkiv is a city they tried to capture but failed.
What are you talking about? Just because the former Israeli PM thought some in the West didn't want him holding peace talks while peace talks were already going on in Belarus and Turkey fully supported by Washington?
Zelensky actually offered this and Putin said no.
"Ukraine could declare neutrality and offer security guarantees to Russia to secure peace “without delay,” President Volodymyr Zelensky said"
Ukraine's Zelensky to offer neutrality declaration to Russia for peace 'without delay'
Ukraine's president says the country could declare neutrality and offer security guarantees to Russia to secure peace "without delay" in talks expected to resume Tuesday.
www.pbs.org
At the time Russia was in a stronger position and would accept no peace settlement. And the ISW has assessed, based on the whole of what Putin has been doing and saying, that Putin still has maximalist goals in Russia and is preparing for a long war - believing the West will tire of supporting Ukraine before his military and country gives up on the war effort:
View: https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1605757045931753475
You get these fantasies in your head about what's going on in Washington and the world with little to no evidence, and you have no idea what you're talking about... you just have this general feeling and core belief that Biden is bad/evil/corrupt and destroying the country and world so you literally pull just out of your ass to support it, believing if your world view is right this must be right too.
No, Washington has totally encouraged peace:
Biden admin nudge led Ukraine to drop Putin condition for peace talks
Zelenskyy changed course on Monday, ditching the demand for Putin’s ouster before peace talks.
www.politico.com
They're not censoring the media, there's no coalition forming to bring down the United States, this wasn't a war they wanted to begin with.
You're one stupid mfer.
Making small arms munitions is a lot different than manufacturing tactical ordinance and rockets.
You don't know jack shit about what it takes to make rocket artillery and bombs.
And don't copy and paste some bullshit propoganda either dumbass.
Because I spent years working on the machinery that makes those ordinance in a factory where I made my living working on the stuff.
It's a very tedious and multilayered process involving alot of intensive labor and highly specialized machinery.
I know this first hand.
You don't know anything about it.
Washington has already stated openly it would take several years to replenish what Ukraine has already used in this war.
Because US manufacturing capacity of these things limits how fast they can be produced.
I have first hand knowledge of this process and it's far more complicated than making small arms ammunition.
It would take at least a 40 acre facility and several hundred people simply to make maybe 100-150 bomb casings or missle forgings in one day. And that's working around the clock.
The finishing out of this ordnance is even more intensive and time consuming.
We're talking about many dozens of these facilities being necessary somewhere in Russia just to match what Ukraine is using. And that doesn't even count the finishing out and testing facilities necessary before the munitions are sent to the users. You're looking conservatively at least two to four finishing facilities for every one casing and forging facility.
And Russia is out producing everyone in this field.
You don't have any understanding at all of the industrial complexes necessary to do this. I do.
Somewhere in Russia is massive steel factories and forges easily having billions of dollars of machinery and hundreds of thousands of people working on producing what they currently are.
So stop the bullshit already.
You're a goddamn liar and you know it.
Just the other day Washington shot down a Chinese peace proposal without even looking at it.
You're such a stupid person and you talk out your ass in am endless circle repeating the same old slogans and propoganda bullshit.
Washington has never supported peace talks concerning this conflict and have openly admitted the last peace talks of the Minsk agreement they never intended to honor in the first place. The just used them to buy time to militarize Ukraine.
They've said so themselves you stupid wretch
Former German Chancellor Merkel Admits that Minsk Peace Agreements Were Part of Scheme for Ukraine to Buy Time to Prepare for War with Russia - Global Research
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Another lie.
Zekensky would be hung by his Nazi militia and Washington agents if he offered any peace deals to Russia.
Stop lying like a sack of excrement
"Ukraine could declare neutrality and offer security guarantees to Russia to secure peace “without delay,” President Volodymyr Zelensky said"
Ukraine's Zelensky to offer neutrality declaration to Russia for peace 'without delay'
Ukraine's president says the country could declare neutrality and offer security guarantees to Russia to secure peace "without delay" in talks expected to resume Tuesday.
But he never did it....
You're a stupid bitch.
Russia is in an even stronger position now.
They've whipped at least three solid NATO armies already in Ukraine and are sitting on everything in Ukraine they want.
And yet it's Washington that will not accept a peace settlement
White House Rejects China-Brokered Ceasefire In Ukraine | The Daily Wire
An all out fuckin ridiculous lie.
White House Rejects China-Brokered Ceasefire In Ukraine | The Daily Wire
but neither Ukraine nor Russia is ready to stop fighting.Biden admin nudge led Ukraine to drop Putin condition for peace talks
Zelenskyy changed course on Monday, ditching the demand for Putin’s ouster before peace talks.
They're not censoring the media, there's no coalition forming to bring down the United States, this wasn't a war they wanted to begin with.
You're one sorry assed lying sleazy piece of shit.
The only reason I don't mute you, is because I believe your a paid shill. A bot.
And you've been working this angle on behalf of someone else that's helping you post this utter horseshit and muddle this conversation as much as possible.
You should just admit it and get the fuck out
I was talking about artillery and now you want to talk about rockets, which is something the Russians do not have an advantage manufacturing. HIMARS can hit a dinner table 40 miles away, the Russians have nothing equivalent:
‘The Russians have nothing equivalent’: How HIMARS help Ukraine
The US-made system has struck Russia’s advance and is the weapon of choice on NATO’s eastern flank.
Now we've sent the small diameter bomb which can reach out 100 miles and is easy to converts existing stockpiles to.
And because of sanctions, Russia has to find middle-men to get them the semiconductors, transformers, connectors, casings, transistors, insulators and other components made by companies in the U.S., Germany, the Netherlands, the U.K., Taiwan and Japan.
The Royal United Services Institute found that "450 microelectronics components in the Russian systems, and 81 of the components had export control numbers. They also found Japanese capacitors, British oscillators and Dutch pressure sensors in the Russian weapons. Furthermore, Iranian weapons and most likely North Korean and Chinese weapons are also full of Western electronics."
How Russia Is Using U.S. Electronics to Attack Ukraine
How Russia Is Using U.S. Electronics to Attack Ukraine
For instance, "Russia’s Kh-101 cruise missiles, some of which targeted the Ukrainian capital Kyiv, were found to contain 31 foreign components."
‘Silicon Lifeline’: Report Reveals Western Technology Guiding Russia’s Weapons in Ukraine
Microelectronics from US, Japan and allies crucial components of Russian missile systems
www.voanews.com
A circuit board on an Iskander missile looks something like this with 5 foreign chips:
So, Russia has been tearing apart washing machines, dishwashers, refridgerators and microwaves in massive numbers leaving mounds of junk to get at chips:
Russia Is Using Chips From Dishwashers to Fix Its Tanks
Wide-ranging sanctions call for desperate measures and dirty dishes.
The US has a chip shortage too but it's not that bad. If you want to talk about where Russia has the manufacturing edge and why it's with the artillery munitions and the machinery/tooling they've kept for it since the Soviet days preparing for wars on their borders in Europe or Asia.
What a stupid bitch.
I really hope everyone sees this.
Chile has something like 20 million people. Economy based on drug smuggling and agriculture.
Russia has at least 150 millions and enough industrial capacity to out produce all of NATO in weapons, ordinance and ammunition capacity.
There's no fuckin way their economy is some feeble relic crumbling apart.
As I told your stupid azz from the start, that Washington cannot win a land war against Russia in west Asia or Eastern Europe. They can't. It's just that simple
I was talking about artillery and now you want to talk about rockets, which is something the Russians do not have an advantage manufacturing. HIMARS can hit a dinner table 40 miles away, the Russians have nothing equivalent:
so they need to fire more Uragan rockets at the same target.‘The Russians have nothing equivalent’: How HIMARS help Ukraine
The US-made system has struck Russia’s advance and is the weapon of choice on NATO’s eastern flank.www.aljazeera.com
Now we've sent the small diameter bomb which can reach out 100 miles and is easy to converts existing stockpiles to.
And because of sanctions, Russia has to find middle-men to get them the semiconductors, transformers, connectors, casings, transistors, insulators and other components made by companies in the U.S., Germany, the Netherlands, the U.K., Taiwan and Japan.
The Royal United Services Institute found that "450 microelectronics components in the Russian systems, and 81 of the components had export control numbers. They also found Japanese capacitors, British oscillators and Dutch pressure sensors in the Russian weapons. Furthermore, Iranian weapons and most likely North Korean and Chinese weapons are also full of Western electronics."
How Russia Is Using U.S. Electronics to Attack Ukraine
How Russia Is Using U.S. Electronics to Attack Ukrainewww.nationaldefensemagazine.org
For instance, "Russia’s Kh-101 cruise missiles, some of which targeted the Ukrainian capital Kyiv, were found to contain 31 foreign components."
‘Silicon Lifeline’: Report Reveals Western Technology Guiding Russia’s Weapons in Ukraine
Microelectronics from US, Japan and allies crucial components of Russian missile systems
A circuit board on an Iskander missile looks something like this with 5 foreign chips:
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So, Russia has been tearing apart washing machines, dishwashers, refridgerators and microwaves in massive numbers leaving mounds of junk to get at chips:
Russia Is Using Chips From Dishwashers to Fix Its Tanks
Wide-ranging sanctions call for desperate measures and dirty dishes.www.pcmag.com
The US has a chip shortage too but it's not that bad. If you want to talk about where Russia has the manufacturing edge and why it's with the artillery munitions and the machinery/tooling they've kept for it since the Soviet days preparing for wars on their borders in Europe or Asia.
Again, being a stupid bitch.
The Chinese make more of these types of chips than anybody. And China is trading with Russia.
And neither are reporting thier trades and deals to Washington. So you don't have the slightest fuckin clue about thier supplies.
Jesus, your horseshit lies are getting nauseous
Well I'll quote Yale Economic Professor Sonnenfeld:
View: https://youtu.be/QU0resswOds?t=1231
"Russia's economy, people used to say is smaller than Italy, it's of course smaller than Chile now. And that's not to disparage the character of Italy or Chile, they just don't go around with Putin's swaggar suggesting they're some big tough neighborhood bully." -Sonnenfeld
He alludes to the greater problem, as Former Director of Russian Affair Thomas Graham says:
"I don’t think you can exaggerate the extent to which, in the Russian mind, being a great power is a central element of Russian national identity." -Graham
Thomas Graham | FRONTLINE | PBS | Official Site | Documentary Series
Thomas Graham on Trump, Putin and Russian election interference – as told to FRONTLINE during our reporting for “Putin’s Revenge.” Explore the full, on-the-record interview.
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Except for their Soviet era nuclear stockpile they are no longer a superpower, but they still think of themselves as these great, powerful people. They are still the saviors of Europe who fought off Napoleon and Hitler. But their economy is the size of Chile's.
I think you've fallen a bit too much for their narcissistic propaganda.
No you're mistaken. The top 5 semiconductor countries are:
1. Taiwan
2. South Korea
3. Japan
4. China
5. United Staes
World’s Top Semiconductor Producers | ShipHub
Asian countries dominate semiconductor (integrated circuit) manufacturing. What are the world’s top semiconductor producers?
www.shiphub.co
Now, integrated circuits are a little different. China and Hong Kong lead the way followed by Taiwan, South Korea, Singapore, Malaysia and the US.
List of countries by integrated circuit exports - Wikipedia
But Russia isn't a totally self reliant arms maker and China can't make up the difference. For instance a captured T-90M tank (their most modern one) had a Thales thermal imaging sight from France:
Captured Russian tank 'stuffed with French tech', Ukrainian MP claims
A BRAND new Russian tank captured by the Ukrainians was stuffed with a French firm’s technology, it was claimed last night Ukrainian forces seized the state-of-the-art T-90 Vladimir at the en…
www.thesun.co.uk
Military grade GPS guidance (like on the HIMARS) is something easier to get in the West too. Russian fighter jet pilots have had to tape crude GPS devices onto their cockpits:
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