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Russia begins invasion of Ukraine
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@hometeam can talk all of the propoganda he wants. It's not going to change anything.
This entire venture in Ukraine, from the billions of dollars Washington spent on regime change and coup/color revolutions all the way down to arming and militarizing Ukrainian Nazi militia groups was a monumental failure and devastating drain for the American taxpayers
Washington got their war alright and successfully baited Russia into what they thought was a trap, the only thing is that Washington never really had a plan other than a propoganda/Media campaign and to exploit the toughness of the Ukrainian soldiers. But those soldiers are now all dead.
Now shits gone south and they've stirred up a can of worms they can't get a lid back on.
It's gonna be fun when Xi will be in Moscow next week... Washington/NATO has lost the war and they don't know how to get out of it. Not to mention the ongoing banking collapse...it's all about psyops in the US but this shit doesn't make you win wars.
We need to get this corrupt piece of shit Biden administration to begin peace talks immediately.
Fact is Ukraine has been beat down to the canvas hard. They're out on their feet struggling to see straight. The ukranian people didn't deserve to be used like this and they're beginning to realize they've been played by Washington
Russia got it's nose bloody and now it's pissed off gaining steam and gearing up for all out war. It seems they're simply sitting on everything they want in Eastern Ukraine waiting for the inevitable regime change in Kyiv and Washington to happen
Enough playing games with people's lives. Joe Biden calls for peace immediately or he resigns and Trump can step in to broker a peace.
This entire venture in Ukraine, from the billions of dollars Washington spent on regime change and coup/color revolutions all the way down to arming and militarizing Ukrainian Nazi militia groups was a monumental failure and devastating drain for the American taxpayers
Washington got their war alright and successfully baited Russia into what they thought was a trap, the only thing is that Washington never really had a plan other than a propoganda/Media campaign and to exploit the toughness of the Ukrainian soldiers. But those soldiers are now all dead.
Now shits gone south and they've stirred up a can of worms they can't get a lid back on.
It's gonna be fun when Xi will be in Moscow next week... Washington/NATO has lost the war and they don't know how to get out of it. Not to mention the ongoing banking collapse...it's all about psyops in the US but this shit doesn't make you win wars.
We need to get this corrupt piece of shit Biden administration to begin peace talks immediately.
Fact is Ukraine has been beat down to the canvas hard. They're out on their feet struggling to see straight. The ukranian people didn't deserve to be used like this and they're beginning to realize they've been played by Washington
Russia got it's nose bloody and now it's pissed off gaining steam and gearing up for all out war. It seems they're simply sitting on everything they want in Eastern Ukraine waiting for the inevitable regime change in Kyiv and Washington to happen
Enough playing games with people's lives. Joe Biden calls for peace immediately or he resigns and Trump can step in to broker a peace.
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Well you've just made my point for me. Nobody who is mentally well comes up with these kind of paranoid conspiracies, along with:
"And only an idiot like you would deny that our "free press" doesn't brainwash people"
"Since Joe Biden has banned Russian perspective media, nobody can say what they're doing"
"Then Washington will have to send American troops to die for their money laundering operation or else try to convince European countries to enter the war. Which ain't going to happen"
"if Joe Biden tries to send Americans off to die for his handlers money racket, it will be the end of his administration at best, and the end of the Washington cartel in general at worst."
"Except Ukraine's running out of soldiers.
Washington cannot get another half million rural American white boys to send off to slaughter."
"Your Olympus is falling. The barbarians are at the gates and you've fucked over the only people that could keep them from bursting your comfortable little blue bubble. Hallelujah. There is a god and he's smiling"
"America is going to go through some changes, possibly even split into a few separate republic's, but at least we'll have another chance to have at least one free Republic again in north America"
"Most (US soldiers) think war is like a Safari riding around in helicopters and armored vehicles shooting at guys wearing bed sheets and riding camels. Because that's what they've been doing for the past thirty years"
"We're on the verge of a civil war here in America between the supporters of the Washington DC establishment and those who oppose the entrenched buerocracy.
Our right to carry and own guns is all that's kept our government from turning into a type of authoritarian despot."
"Joe Biden is definitely not in charge"
"Joe Biden and his handlers are getting richer."
"It started with the US state department coup in Ukraine in 2014."
"who overthrew the Ukrainian government twice in 10 years because they kept electing people Washington didn't like."
"He's (Joe Biden) done everything he could to instigate this from the beginning and is doing everything he can now to keep it going."
"Joe Bidens handler's and donors however, indisputably want to rule the world."
"we don't have any interest in ww3 except for monetary interests of Joe Biden and his billionaire corporate donors."
"Washington will not let them make peace."
"Joe Biden can end this with a phone call."
"He could have easily brokered peace a year ago"
"Nobody outside of a few wealthy arms dealers and globalist billionaire corporate interests want to keep the war going in Ukraine."
"Washington wants this war. They wanted it all along. They want it to go on for as long as they can make it go on."
"I know for a fact that the elements in Washington have as much contempt for me, and American people like me, as they do the Russians or anybody else they hate."
"I'm not even sure most of them really believe the bullshit they say. It's more about them proclaiming loyalty to their God kings than actually believing in the things they say... they need to profess themselves part of that sort of cult driven set of loyalties."
"the American economy is in way worse shape than Russia."
"If Joe Bidens handler's hadn't sold our manufacturing capacity to China, there'd be no issue here now."
"they're going to import a new working class from central/South America and expand into Ukraine where the process will repeat itself."
"This shit house of cards is crashing down fast. NATO is finished after this. Joe Biden and the DNC cannot rely on winning honest elections even now. And soon, it will be even worse."
"Without Washington and NATO intervention from the beginning, Yugoslavia might not have split apart.
Washington created political violence and unrest to destabilize the country and manufacture chaos that gives them opportunities to expand influence and fleece money, power and resources."
"Government institutions like the FBI censoring information on social media platforms and disseminating disinformation intentionally to affect the outcome of an election"
"Explain how Putin is a greater threat to the freedom, rights and Liberty of the American people than Joe Biden."
"Every foreign policy expert for the past thirty years has warned that NATO expansion would lead to this."
"Close to half of Ukraine is rubble."
"any part of Ukraine worth having is occupied permanently by Russia."
"Zelensky however is shutting down media outlets and killing reporters, opposition parties and even churches."
"They're pulling 15 year old boys and old men off the streets and tossing them into the meat grinder with a life expectancy measuring in hours"
"At the end of day, can Washington spend 100k American lives on a money laundering operation halfway around the world that will have no benifit whatsoever to the American people?
I'm sure Washington wouldn't mind at all. But I don't think the American people are willing to flush an entire generation of young men down the toilet so that Washington can help the western globalist banking interests and empirical aspirations of Joe Bidens handler's make some inroads into Eastern Europe."
"Now (Biden) is funding those corrupt Eastern European ogliarchs with American taxpayers money in war they cannot win where most of the money is going to pensions (bribes) and bailouts (settlements) to keep a war going that destroying Ukrainian common people by the thousands."
"NATO will lose this. Certainly.
And it might mean the end of NATO. Which is good for Americans because NATO is a huge drain on the American taxpayers and served not one single legitimate national security concern."
Seriously, how are you not locked up in a mental institution? There's no proof for any of this, it's just the result of the wheels turning in your head and a screw is loose.
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I just read one of his replies and he sounds just like the main stream media. We are one of the few countries where there are still people that believe the news. Almost every single country in the world knows that the news is just a propaganda arm of the government. The same people that believe the news and label everyone a "conspiracy theorist" if they go against the official narrative are the ones that up til December 2022 believed our government had nothing to do with the JFK assassination. Some people are so weak minded that even when confronted with the truth they will stay in denial because to acknowledge they were tricked and the people they called conspiracy theorists were correct would shatter their frail existence. These are people that aren't worth arguing with because no amount of facts or proof will change their mind and they will continue to ask for "proof" or sources and then go find a CNN article to argue that you are wrong. At this point the small percentage of people that still believe the news and what they are told are the 10% of the population that are lost for ever. They dont have the intellectual honesty to look at anything objectively and its best to just ignore them.
To the contrary, I've posted General Bakshi of India:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqHuvl9J-v4
I've posted Alexander Stubb, who is a geopolitics professor in Italy and former Finland PM:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhwfC_Vh4DI
I've posted a Munk Debate with Professor John Mearsheimer and others:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhgWLmd7mCo
I've posted a lecture from Johns Hopkins history professor Mary Elois Sarotte:
Lecture of Mary Sarotte «Not One Inch: America, Russia, and the Making of Post-Cold War Stalemate»
I've posted many interviews that journalists from the PBS Frontline series have done with Russia/Putin experts:
Putin and the Presidents | Interview Collection | FRONTLINE
To produce Putin and the Presidents, the FRONTLINE team interviewed current and former U.S. government officials and policy experts, as well as American and Russian journalists who have covered U.S.-Russia relations for decades. These interviews can be explored below in video and text. The...
www.pbs.org
So this is definitely not mainstream stuff. I just don't go to extremists sources like Scott Horton and the Libertarian Institute for all my info like Hughinn does. I tend to gravitate to the more academic stuff since I am college educated. Aside from a handful of YouTube clips, I haven't watched CNN, Fox News, or MSNBC for at least 4 or 5 years now. I don't even have cable TV.
But there are less biased news sources out there, in the center of the chart:
I have taken a Media 101 course in college, so I understand this more than maybe the average person. The main thing that drives these organizations is attracting viewers and selling ads.
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And that's the thing, we've got more news organizations than anyone can count. Each one is vying for as large share it can get of the viewer pie, to sell ads.
But in a country like Russia where there is no free press it's much different. First Putin cracked down on NTV because it was criticizing the Chechnya War and then over time shut down every single media outlet that wasn't state owned. Then these journalists get killed: Mikhail Lesin, Natalia Estemirova, Anastasia Baburova, Anna Politkovskaya, Maksim Borodin, Nikolay Andrushchenko, Yevgeny Khamaganov, Timur Kuashev, Igor Domnikov, Anna Politkovskaya, Sergey Novikov, Arkady Lander, Nikolai Potapov, Mikhail Beketov, Abdulmalik Akhmedilov, Natalya Estemirova, Sergei Protazanov, Ivan Safronov, Maksim Maksimov...
Then this law gets passed that you would never see in the US. The Institute for the Study of War talked about it yesterday:
"The Russian State Duma adopted the law on punishment for “discreditation” of all participants of the “special military operation” in Ukraine on March 14 to foster self-censorship within Russian society. Individuals found guilty of discrediting participants in combat operations will receive a fine of up to five million rubles ($65,530), up to five years of correctional or forced labor, or up to seven years in prison.[18] Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin responded to a journalist’s question about the law on March 15 stating that while he initiated and supported this law, he expected that it would not protect Wagner commanders and the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) from criticism.[19] Prigozhin noted that he is not worried about being accused of discrediting the Russian MoD because he ”only speaks the truth” and has lawyers review all of his ”carefully worded” social media posts. Prigozhin also implied that Russia cannot physically arrest 146 million Russians, further indicating that this law aims to encourage self-censorship among Russians and hinting that many Russians share his views critical of the MoD."
Institute for the Study of War
This page collects ISW and CTP's updates on the conflict in Ukraine. In late February 2022, ISW began publishing daily synthetic products covering key events related to renewed Russian aggression against Ukraine.
So I try to compare our media with a country that truly doesn't have free press, because trust in our media has declined:
Americans' Trust In Media Remains Near Record Low
Americans' trust in the media to report the news fully, accurately and fairly remains near the historical low, with sharply differing views among partisans.
news.gallup.com
- 34% have a "great deal" or "fair amount" of confidence in media
- 38% with no trust at all outpaces great deal/fair amount for first time
- 70% of Democrats, 14% of Republicans, 27% of independents trust media
And it doesn't help when your President talks about fake news and refuses to have peaceful transfer of power.
But to say Biden has somehow banned certain information or his "corporate handlers" have an iron grip on the news, that it's whole purpose is indoctrination, that the only ones you can trust are these extremists, would come from someone who is mentally ill and needs help.
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That's what makes this a circular argument. There is no common ground that anyone can agree on.
Fautquejyaille
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Well I think we can all agree that if you're going to make such a serious claim such as Biden banning things from the press or the purpose of the US press is to indoctrinate (without saying this is your hunch or your belief, and claiming that it's a fact), you should have proof. Where is the Biden order? Or the memo with the evil indoctrination plan that was sent to every news organization? The punishment doled out for those out of line?
There are logical rules to an argument. A simple proof would be:
If:
The US has freedom of press written in their constitution.
And:
The US law enforcement and judicial system upholds the constitution.
And:
A country that upholds their constitution is what the constitution says it is.
Then:
The US has free press.
If you don't agree with this you have to tell me which premise is wrong, you can't say "my worldview is better than yours because you're an ignorant, grotesque, wretch." You can find an expert testimony and appeal to authority, but it can't be some unqualified libertarian podcaster, and ideally shouldn't be the minority contrarian view.
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@hometeam there is no country where the press is really free, whether it is controlled by a state or by its billionaire boss a real journalist works alone otherwise he is the prostitute for his boss poor fool that you are
my poor little sheep who still believe that his country is waging wars for the good of humanity. You really have to be a son of a bitch to believe that missiles are good for the people who receive them.
I wish you a good day grazing grass little sheep treat yourself like that you will have good wool
my poor little sheep who still believe that his country is waging wars for the good of humanity. You really have to be a son of a bitch to believe that missiles are good for the people who receive them.
I wish you a good day grazing grass little sheep treat yourself like that you will have good wool
You're right.
I mean, you'd think everyone with any respect for other human lives and a basic understanding of right and wrong would be against wars for profit, regardless of their own political alignment.
But some people are simply too far gone
And it is certainly best just to avoid them
I appreciate that advice and I'm going to heed it
The other poster 181 is right.
He's too far gone, time to simply ignore him.
But certainly don't stop calling for an end to the senseless war.
I just pray for an end soon so the suffering of all the working class people involved can stop dying. And I myself also pray for the Russian people on the battlefield too.
Because I don't believe they're just "orcs" but just people like everyone else who want to live their lives the best way they can
It's been 30yrs since I studied logic in college. I admit I forgot most of it, but a prerequisite is you must be on the same planet.There are logical rules to an argument. A simple proof would be:
If you're going to convince the other person, yes. And clearly he isn't open to being convinced of anything that can't be tied to a Biden outrage or Biden failure. And he's open to all these paranoid conspiracies there is no proof of.
But I do worry about someone like that. Joining a political party and not being happy with election results is one thing. But when you've placed all of your personal problems onto one person and believe he's the root of all evil in the world, that he's destroying the country and the world and keeping his guy from saving it and you can only get the truth from certain extremists... that's someone who can do something stupid and irrational, like the guy who broke into Nancy Pelosi's house.
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Lol
It's not funny. Look at this and tell me he's mentally well:
"We're on the verge of a civil war here in America between the supporters of the Washington DC establishment and those who oppose the entrenched buerocracy.
Our right to carry and own guns is all that's kept our government from turning into a type of authoritarian despot."
"America is going to go through some changes, possibly even split into a few separate republic's, but at least we'll have another chance to have at least one free Republic again in north America"
"Your Olympus is falling. The barbarians are at the gates and you've fucked over the only people that could keep them from bursting your comfortable little blue bubble. Hallelujah. There is a god and he's smiling"
"I know for a fact that the elements in Washington have as much contempt for me, and American people like me, as they do the Russians or anybody else they hate."
- @Hughinn
Lmfao
"But when you've placed all of your personal problems onto one person and believe he's the root of all evil in the world"
like that "evil megalomaniac cartoon supervillain bent on world domination"
"Putin"
A sick mind indeed
Lol
Full of conspiracy theories
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Even I never said that about Putin. I said he sees Russians and Ukrainians, along with Belarusians, as one people, belonging to what has historically been known as the "triune Russian nation." That he thinks the only thing keeping them apart are outside forces. And he says so in his essay:
On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians - Wikipedia
And I said that he wants his Russian empire back, that he rules like a Tsar with an iron fist. Does that make him an "evil megalomaniac cartoon supervillain bent on world domination"? No, but he did start this war.
But some of the things you've said about Joe Biden makes me worry about you:
"But I know enough about them, and Joe Biden to tell them all to kiss my fuckin ass. As I'd rather cut their necks than shake their hands.
Because Joe Biden doesn't get to decide where I live, what I believe and where my grandchildren will die. I won't bow before the idols of wokeness and empire"
"Joe Biden and the DNC need a Pearl harbor, and they just might stage one"
"This shit is beyond ridiculous at this point. Joe Biden is a fuckin moron. Anybody still supporting him is a brainless, witless fuckin idiot. "
"Joe Biden is far more likely to be thrown out of office for this mess than Putin, and before it's all over, he just might"
"Who here thinks for one second any of the cowards in our current administration would stay in Washington while it was shelled?
Joe Biden would certainly be in a bunker somewhere eating smashed peas and shitting himself in a diaper."
"the lying corrupt bastard Joe Biden would have to admit his own fault in this situation and he won't do that. "
"Washington wants to control the world. And not in a peaceful way, but like a crooked cop controls a poor neighborhood. "
"Joe Biden is a threat to our lives and liberties"
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Paul Pelosi attacker David DePape says he’s sorry he ‘didn’t get more of them’
The man who broke into then-Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s home and attacker her husband with a hammer said sorry he “didn’t get more of them.”
nypost.com
David DePape, 42, made the chilling remarks in a recorded phone interview with local California station KTVU after the release of police body camera footage on Friday.
“Liberty isn’t dying, it’s being killed systematically and deliberately,” DePape said. “The “people killing it have names and addresses, so I got their names and addresses so I could pay them a little visit … have a heart-to-heart chat about their bad behavior.”
“I want to apologize to everyone. I messed up. What I did was really bad. I’m so sorry I didn’t get more of them."
Attack on Paul Pelosi - Wikipedia
"One acquaintance claimed to have had cut off contact with DePape in 2012 after he displayed megalomaniac behavior and sent her multiple emails likening himself to Jesus Christ."
