Enclo - Any Viability as a Test Base With Milder Compounds?

[Isotope]

When reading lately, I've increasingly seen anecdotal evidence of people using Enclo as a "test base" with less suppressive compounds like SARMs and even low-dose Anavar.

Enclo is proven to raise testosterone levels effectively, but do the estrogen antagonism effects make it ineffective as a base (given that conversion to estrogen is an important part of a base)? I may be misunderstanding this, maybe @Type-IIx can chime in.

 

[Rido]

When reading lately, I've increasingly seen anecdotal evidence of people using Enclo as a "test base" with less suppressive compounds like SARMs and even low-dose Anavar.

Enclo is proven to raise testosterone levels effectively, but do the estrogen antagonism effects make it ineffective as a base (given that conversion to estrogen is an important part of a base)? I may be misunderstanding this, maybe @Type-IIx can chime in.

I have been super interested in this.


Even as a replacement for hcg on blast since it's hard to get consistent access to it.

 

[OmL]

I have been super interested in this.


Even as a replacement for hcg on blast since it's hard to get consistent access to it.

I tried it before but I broke out in boils, lumps and a rash from toes right to my fingertips.

I can only assume that I react poorly to Eclomiphene citrate.

 

[Type-IIx]

When reading lately, I've increasingly seen anecdotal evidence of people using Enclo as a "test base" with less suppressive compounds like SARMs and even low-dose Anavar.

Enclo is proven to raise testosterone levels effectively, but do the estrogen antagonism effects make it ineffective as a base (given that conversion to estrogen is an important part of a base)? I may be misunderstanding this, maybe @Type-IIx can chime in.

Sure, enclomiphene as a SERM stimulates LH & T secretion, but does it enhance muscle function (size and strength)? I doubt it. Yes, T does - at a steady state of chronic supra-physiologic concentrations. If you were to use enclomiphene to mimic TRT or beyond, then why not instead use T, that carries less risks than enclomiphene?

While enclomiphene offers bone mineral density benefits, is this effect worth its risks/tradeoffs? I doubt it, again.

It's interesting conceptually, I agree. But I don't see its offering any real world benefit... Certainly, low-dose oxandrolone being used even for long-term periods is done rationally, but SARMs seem to be quite underwhelming in their effects (worse tradeoffs/risks than AAS).

If people are flirting with physique enhancement, at some point they should probably accept that this is an adult world, graduate from dry humping, and just pin test like an adult.

 

[Rido]

I tried it before but I broke out in boils, lumps and a rash from toes right to my fingertips.

I can only assume that I react poorly to Eclomiphene citrate.

Oh shit. That's crazy... I had no idea that could happen

 

[OmL]

Oh shit. That's crazy... I had no idea that could happen

I’ll root out some pictures. Hang tight.

 

[Isotope]

Sure, enclomiphene as a SERM stimulates LH & T secretion, but does it enhance muscle function (size and strength)? I doubt it. Yes, T does - at a steady state of chronic supra-physiologic concentrations. If you were to use enclomiphene to mimic TRT or beyond, then why not instead use T, that carries less risks than enclomiphene?

While enclomiphene offers bone mineral density benefits, is this effect worth its risks/tradeoffs? I doubt it, again.

It's interesting conceptually, I agree. But I don't see its offering any real world benefit... Certainly, low-dose oxandrolone being used even for long-term periods is done rationally, but SARMs seem to be quite underwhelming in their effects (worse tradeoffs/risks than AAS).

If people are flirting with physique enhancement, at some point they should probably accept that this is an adult world, graduate from dry humping, and just pin test like an adult.

Thanks for the response. My main line of thinking was around Enclo being used to prevent low estrogen sides while on cycle (+testicular function), not necessarily for the added strength/size gains test offers.

Still, all of your points regarding the superiority of just pinning test are well taken.

 

[UncleBuns]

Thanks for the response. My main line of thinking was around Enclo being used to prevent low estrogen sides while on cycle (+testicular function), not necessarily for the added strength/size gains test offers.

Still, all of your points regarding the superiority of just pinning test are well taken.

I've tried it. Worked OK. HCG + oral worked a lot better though. Felt much better. If I were to repeat I'd do HCG + oral then Enclo for PCT. If you keep the anabolics mild it might work, but doesn't seem to for everybody. Depending on your goals it may not be worth it. Results are mild but that's what I was after.

 

[OmL]

 

[OmL]

It won’t allow me to tag you in the pictures @Cridi887

 

[Rido]

It won’t allow me to tag you in the pictures @Cridi887

That's fine. That's crazy. I wonder if it was an allergic reaction like a mild Steve Johnson's syndrome

 

[Type-IIx]

Thanks for the response. My main line of thinking was around Enclo being used to prevent low estrogen sides while on cycle (+testicular function), not necessarily for the added strength/size gains test offers.

Still, all of your points regarding the superiority of just pinning test are well taken.

But it neither prevents low estrogen sides on AAS nor enhances testis function. Certainly not reliably.
There's evidence of hCG & hMG serving these functions. See Anabolic Steroids and Fertility (Peter Bond, Sep 1 2021, MesoRx Article)

There's no evidence that enclomiphene accomplishes anything besides preventing (or reversing, somewhat) gynecomastia (and practical experience shows that its prophylactic use for gyno generally extends to AAS users). See Enclomiphene - A SERM That was Seeking FDA Approval for the Treatment of Hypogonadism (Peter Bond, Sep 7 2021 MesoRx Article)