First cycle advice for a leaner look with muscle growth

[Rido]

Idk why people still consider PCT when stepping into the realm of AAS
but if u insist,

Test 300-500mg a week for no less than 12 weeks. Make it 16 tbh.

Then at week 16 and your done thinking like a fruitcake (due to high Test lolol)

you then commit to Blast n Cruise lifestyle

Most importantly, USE THIS CYCLE TO DIAL IN YOUR A.I. USAGE

P.S. Anavar thrown in the last 4-6 weeks if your feeling good/healthy

Atleast everyone should have it on hand for an oh shit scenario

 

[acetate jake]

Atleast everyone should have it on hand for an oh shit scenario

Absolutely always have every OH-SHIT scenario med on hand @dizzleskiiiii

Clomid, Nolva, HCG, Ralox, Asin/Adex, Caber/Prami ... even Antibiotics, BP meds, the list goes on and on.

An oral only cycle is extremely not advised.

and seriously don't even touch PEDs if you plan on cycling off right after.

Anyways I tried my best, peace and good luck

 

[dizzleskiiiii]

I'm thinking ill blast and cruise, seems like the better option here.

When blasting and cruising,
after your 12 week cycle, you just lower your dose of test e by half? Until you are ready for your 2nd cycle? and repeat?

 

[acetate jake]

I'm thinking ill blast and cruise, seems like the better option here.

When blasting and cruising,
after your 12 week cycle, you just lower your dose of test e by half? Until you are ready for your 2nd cycle? and repeat?

No, you'll be cutting dose lower than just half (unless ur blast is only 300mg)


For Example:
500mg Test E weeks 1-16
nothing weeks 16-17
150mg Test E weeks 17-until next blast

 

[dizzleskiiiii]

No, you'll be cutting dose lower than just half (unless ur blast is only 300mg)


For Example:
500mg Test E weeks 1-16
nothing weeks 16-17
150mg Test E weeks 17-until next blast

I’m starting my first 12 week cycle with 250mg test E + week 6-12 Anavar 50mg

What do you recommend for my cruise?

 

[dizzleskiiiii]

I do plan on doubling my test e for my 2nd cycle

 

[lukiss96]

Cruise = lowest amount needed to maintain gains.

 

[Leg_locker]

I do plan on doubling my test e for my 2nd cycle

Probably get more by adding a second injectible and upping the test a bit vs doubling ur test to 500mg.
Something like 350 test 350 NPP

 

[hudson98]

Cruise = lowest amount needed to maintain gains.

this is correct. I use 250 and throw in mast for the hell of it. blood work is always fine.

 

[BawlsDeep]

Forget what everyone else says, if you wanna oral only cycle to begin with - get your hands on methenolone acetate (Primo Ace orally available). Take advantage of a source here with high quality of said hormone. Can be very easy to find

Get ahold of the raws and cap or make your own solution.

50mg to begin with and can slowly ramp up to even 200mg per day. You’ll LOVE it. And thank me later when your body isn’t experiencing such sides from Anavar dbol Anadrol tbol etc

You won’t have to had shitty bloodwork to deal with or much of a PCT either if anything. Won’t bloat you, won’t make your joints ache. Just make you strong and grow muscle

This will suppress natural test and tank your estrogen. I cannt imagine not feeling like absolute shit after a few weeks, ESPEcially on 200mg a day. Always use a test base w primo, dbol, most other orals.

Anavar on the other hand, minimally supressive, wont tank estrogen, and i believe gets undue criticism as an oral only cycle.

 

[TheLittleShop]

This will suppress natural test and tank your estrogen. I cannt imagine not feeling like absolute shit after a few weeks, ESPEcially on 200mg a day. Always use a test base w primo, dbol, most other orals.

Anavar on the other hand, minimally supressive, wont tank estrogen, and i believe gets undue criticism as an oral only cycle.

Yes a test base is preferable, even the additional low dose dbol

200 is the high high end I was more showing it’s absolutely attainable for most and if you’ve ran real primo you know what’s up

Also as we all know the bioavailability is low so 200mg you maybe getting 50,20,40 who knows?? I just works well.

 

[dizzleskiiiii]

Should I up my first cycle from 250mg/week to like 400mg/week

And cruise at a 250mg afterwards?

My plans was for 250mg and cruise at 125mg test e

 

[lukiss96]

Should I up my first cycle from 250mg/week to like 400mg/week

And cruise at a 250mg afterwards?

My plans was for 250mg and cruise at 125mg test e

What are your stats that you can't maintain on 125-150mg test?

If I can maintain on 150mg and this is your first cycle, what makes you think you need 250mg?

Read posts...

Cruise = lowest amount needed to maintain gains.

 

[dizzleskiiiii]

Read posts...

I do ready posts bro
With the help of others, came up with a plan to start my first cycle at 250mg/week test e

 

[dizzleskiiiii]

I’m trying to find out if it’s viable to blast at 250 and cruise at 125 for 1st cycle

 

[lukiss96]

I do ready posts bro
With the help of others, came up with a plan to start my first cycle at 250mg/week test e

It's fine whether 250 or 500, but what I mean is that you assume that you need 250mg to cruise now. Mindset like this lead to abuse, so after your 2nd cycle you will think if I cruised on 250mg now I'm gonna cruise on 300 and so on...

Cruise means the lowest effective dose to still keep majority of your gains (you will lose some water and glycogen). 250mg is actually advanced cruise most people don't need and it actually is cycle territory.

Cruise also means to let your body rest and everything to normalize. You don't redline your car do you? Same is your body don't redline or something will eventually give.

Understand that cycle is time to increase and cruise is time to use the lowest amount to get by.

500mg test cycle doesn't grant 250mg cruise, same as 250mg doesn't mean 125mg cruise.

You don't even know how you will react to test, let alone decide to cruise on 250mg already without even trying it first...

Reconsider your approach is my advice to you.

 

[dizzleskiiiii]

It's fine whether 250 or 500, but what I mean is that you assume that you need 250mg to cruise now. Mindset like this lead to abuse, so after your 2nd cycle you will think if I cruised on 250mg now I'm gonna cruise on 300 and so on...

Cruise means the lowest effective dose to still keep majority of your gains (you will lose some water and glycogen). 250mg is actually advanced cruise most people don't need and it actually is cycle territory.

Cruise also means to let your body rest and everything to normalize. You don't redline your car do you? Same is your body don't redline or something will eventually give.

Understand that cycle is time to increase and cruise is time to use the lowest amount to get by.

500mg test cycle doesn't grant 250mg cruise, same as 250mg doesn't mean 125mg cruise.

You don't even know how you will react to test, let alone decide to cruise on 250mg already without even trying it first...

Reconsider your approach is my advice to you.

Thank you for this

I’ll stick with my original plan of 250mg/week.
How do I find out my lowest effective dose?
After my 12 week cycle, get blood work done and see how much I need to compensate to achieve results of my original blood work?

 

[lukiss96]

Thank you for this

I’ll stick with my original plan of 250mg/week.
How do I find out my lowest effective dose?
After my 12 week cycle, get blood work done and see how much I need to compensate to achieve results of my original blood work?

You will have to find through the blood work. You will need to see where your total testosterone, free testosterone, shbg, e2 (sensitive) are.

As a rule of thumb cruise should be low enough to get you to high TT while also avoiding aromatase inhibitors, to say exactly how much you need is too early and without blood work is just a guessing game. People usually start low when they are dialing in their TRT protocol (it is very similar to cruise) just imagine it as TRT+ or something. It's very individual as for some people, 100mg/weekly although rarely it puts them in 900+ ng/dl.

I'd start low and your plan is decent if you plan to cruise on 125mg and blast on 250mg. Although that is lowest amount to blast on there are some positives for that too, for example you will see how you react to lower testosterone and if you have problems or not. It will help you plan your future cycles as you will know whether or not you handle test at 250mg well as believe it or not there are exception and some people handle it poorly and have to construct their cycles with test base as low as 100mg.

After your 12 week cycle, start injecting 125mg and let 4-5 half lives to pass in order to stabilize your blood levels. Enanthate or cypionate is medium length esters, so one half life is 5-7 days depending on your own metabolism. To be safe let 5 weeks pass from that point and get your blood work done and see how you're doing.

 

[hudson98]

I thought he was going to do 500mg? 250 isn't a "cycle" IMO, why waste your time? at least make it 300g and use prop to get some umps, 250 mg long actin test e? it wont kick in until a while you'll be saying "that was my cycle?"

 

[dizzleskiiiii]

You will have to find through the blood work. You will need to see where your total testosterone, free testosterone, shbg, e2 (sensitive) are.

As a rule of thumb cruise should be low enough to get you to high TT while also avoiding aromatase inhibitors, to say exactly how much you need is too early and without blood work is just a guessing game. People usually start low when they are dialing in their TRT protocol (it is very similar to cruise) just imagine it as TRT+ or something. It's very individual as for some people, 100mg/weekly although rarely it puts them in 900+ ng/dl.

I'd start low and your plan is decent if you plan to cruise on 125mg and blast on 250mg. Although that is lowest amount to blast on there are some positives for that too, for example you will see how you react to lower testosterone and if you have problems or not. It will help you plan your future cycles as you will know whether or not you handle test at 250mg well as believe it or not there are exception and some people handle it poorly and have to construct their cycles with test base as low as 100mg.

After your 12 week cycle, start injecting 125mg and let 4-5 half lives to pass in order to stabilize your blood levels. Enanthate or cypionate is medium length esters, so one half life is 5-7 days depending on your own metabolism. To be safe let 5 weeks pass from that point and get your blood work done and see how you're doing.

I really like the info you’ve given, thank you bro. Exactly what I needed to hear

And as you said, I want to start low and see how my body reacts to it.

Can always do a crazier 2nd cycle after I do this basic one

Thanks bro