What does your peak look like in terms of AAS?

[klokke23]

I'm on a quest to figure out what compounds I like for strength. And since typical orals don't affect me, I'm only looking at injectables. (Why do orals have zero effect on me?)
What do you personally peak with?
My next cycle will be my first nandrolone cycle. I will get a feel for how it affects me strength wise.
At the end of the cycle I will do some sort of peak and add tren just to try that as well.
So far my best cycle for strength was just 400 test. MENT and primo was underwhelming.

S: 200
B: 150
D: 230

 

[theotherguy]

Best peaking cycle I ever had was 600 test, 400 tren, 400 bold, 40 MENT. I got very strong and very lean (lean for me, I got down to about 11% BF). I feel certain the test and tren did the most work. I don't know how much I got from the bold, and the MENT was mostly just to combat mood sides from the tren, which it does very well.

I don't know what my big 3 lifts were after that, but an educated guess would put me about:

S: 530
B: 400
D: 650

Give or take a little on each

 

[klokke23]

Best peaking cycle I ever had was 600 test, 400 tren, 400 bold, 40 MENT. I got very strong and very lean (lean for me, I got down to about 11% BF). I feel certain the test and tren did the most work. I don't know how much I got from the bold, and the MENT was mostly just to combat mood sides from the tren, which it does very well.

I don't know what my big 3 lifts were after that, but an educated guess would put me about:

S: 530
B: 400
D: 650

Give or take a little on each

Have you ran a high test only cycle? I'd love to run something like 800 in the future. I've seen untested enthusiasts swear test is king.

 

[theotherguy]

Have you ran a high test only cycle? I'd love to run something like 800 in the future. I've seen untested enthusiasts swear test is king.

The highest test only cycle I have ever run, I am actually on now, cyp at 210/wk and prop at 350/wk, which is roughly the hormone equivalent of about 560 cyp/wk. I am getting pretty strong, I would say I am getting close to peak strength of my previous cycle listed above, which was Aug-October of last year.

Some of my lifts are higher now than last year, but that's more attributed to better technique and explosiveness. All things being equal, I think I was stronger last year.

I am a competitive strongman, and I don't max out often enough to have a direct comparison on many of my lifts, so it's hard for me to really pinpoint being better or worse in certain events.

I would love to run 800-1000 test/wk, but I am a bit of a hard aromatizer and even at 510 test/wk, I am having to take 20 mg nolva/day and .25mg adex EOD to combat water retention and gyno.

 

[Blange89]

Have you ran a high test only cycle? I'd love to run something like 800 in the future. I've seen untested enthusiasts swear test is king.

I get great gains from 1g test only. I find the sides really aren't that bad as long as you don't add in any other compounds, except maybe primo

 

[Blange89]

My last meet prep i ran 750 test, then added 400 Mast 6 weeks out

 

[klokke23]

My last meet prep i ran 750 test, then added 400 Mast 6 weeks out

Interesting you mention mast. I haven't tried it yet, but I've got the raws and plan to use it for this in the future. Is normally a good strength compound for people? It's an androgen much more than an anabolic as far as I understand it.

 

[Blange89]

Interesting you mention mast. I haven't tried it yet, but I've got the raws and plan to use it for this in the future. Is normally a good strength compound for people? It's an androgen much more than an anabolic as far as I understand it.

I actually get really good strength from it. I use it as a "tren lite"

 

[Iamnatty]

I'm on a quest to figure out what compounds I like for strength. And since typical orals don't affect me, I'm only looking at injectables. (Why do orals have zero effect on me?)
What do you personally peak with?
My next cycle will be my first nandrolone cycle. I will get a feel for how it affects me strength wise.
At the end of the cycle I will do some sort of peak and add tren just to try that as well.
So far my best cycle for strength was just 400 test. MENT and primo was underwhelming.

S: 200
B: 150
D: 230

I'm assuming those numbers are in kilos at the bottom?

 

[Country Club Hero]

I actually get really good strength from it. I use it as a "tren lite"

comparing Mast to Tren is like comparing peanut butter to jelly. It’s not a light version of Tren. Totally different drugs. The main similarities are that they are both injectable hormones. But very different. Mast does not do much for strength at all.

And OP, there’s nothing magical about high testosterone dosages except maybe a swollen prostate as you age and increase in BP. Test is actually pretty boring. You will find that to be the case as you experiment with other compounds.

try Halo for strength. Also Tren, anadrol and tbol. For me, nothing makes me stronger than anavar.

 

[barbell001]

Have you ran a high test only cycle? I'd love to run something like 800 in the future. I've seen untested enthusiasts swear test is king.

I have run high Test by itself when I am just giving my body a break from the other heavy anabolics bud, although its okay its nothing at all compared to adding in a few 'wet' compounds and some trenbolone.

When you train on say 1 gram of test the next day you will feel sore in the muscle, but there will be no extra size or swelling like you get with NPP/Dbol etc and even if you are purely into powerlifting like I am we still wanna look great in the mirror and look like we train and feel good about ourselves - Ya know, the EGO factor!! Lol

Sure you can get strong on these three compounds but taking things further and adding in Trenbolone is the difference between being strong and being Fucking strong!!! The recovery time of sore muscle more than halves I personally find and the tendon/ligament healing cannot be matched by anything else. You have to pick your trenbolone dosage wisely though as although it doesn't really affect benching much, on the cardio driven exercises like Deads and Squats it can have a major impact on your breathing and recovery ability between sets. Having the extra water in the joints and muscle from the wet compounds I believe also helps save you from injury when maxing etc as it just isn't there on test only.

 

[Blange89]

I have run high Test by itself when I am just giving my body a break from the other heavy anabolics bud, although its okay its nothing at all compared to adding in a few 'wet' compounds and some trenbolone.

When you train on say 1 gram of test the next day you will feel sore in the muscle, but there will be no extra size or swelling like you get with NPP/Dbol etc and even if you are purely into powerlifting like I am we still wanna look great in the mirror and look like we train and feel good about ourselves - Ya know, the EGO factor!! Lol

Sure you can get strong on these three compounds but taking things further and adding in Trenbolone is the difference between being strong and being Fucking strong!!! The recovery time of sore muscle more than halves I personally find and the tendon/ligament healing cannot be matched by anything else. You have to pick your trenbolone dosage wisely though as although it doesn't really affect benching much, on the cardio driven exercises like Deads and Squats it can have a major impact on your breathing and recovery ability between sets. Having the extra water in the joints and muscle from the wet compounds I believe also helps save you from injury when maxing etc as it just isn't there on test only.

Whats a good tren dose for you that doesn't affect cardio too much? My cardio already sucks without tren lol

 

[klokke23]

I'm assuming those numbers are in kilos at the bottom?

Yes lol. @theotherguy made me look real bad by putting his numbers in the exact same format but in freedom units.

 

[theotherguy]

Yes lol. @theotherguy made me look real bad by putting his numbers in the exact same format but in freedom units.

Yo my bad, I didn't mean to derail your thread lol

To be fair, I believe I am also a good bit heavier than you. I walk around at about 240 (110kg)

 

[Stan Darsh]

It depends on what your goals are. Do you have a weight class you want to compete in? If I am competing a class that I've already maxed out the weight limit or even will have to water cut for, then it will have to be more dry compounds like tren, mast, halo, anavar, etc. If I am moving up a class and have plenty of room to fill out, then I'll run high Test, NPP, Primo, Dbol, etc. If I am not competing and taking some time off with more health focus in mind, I like a high test and primo combo run at 1:1 and pulsing orals when need be to break plateaus. Regardless though, if I am peaking you better believe some oral will be involved ramping up from 4-6 weeks out depending on what it is.

Sorry, I know that's a lot to digest but you should really try to narrow down your goals and then start designing your cycle from there. Decide if you want to maintain weight for a class, gain weight and move up, or if you don't care and just want to build strength anyway possible. Also, take health into account because there are obviously some cycles that are much harsher than others.

 

[Blange89]

It depends on what your goals are. Do you have a weight class you want to compete in? If I am competing a class that I've already maxed out the weight limit or even will have to water cut for, then it will have to be more dry compounds like tren, mast, halo, anavar, etc. If I am moving up a class and have plenty of room to fill out, then I'll run high Test, NPP, Primo, Dbol, etc. If I am not competing and taking some time off with more health focus in mind, I like a high test and primo combo run at 1:1 and pulsing orals when need be to break plateaus. Regardless though, if I am peaking you better believe some oral will be involved ramping up from 4-6 weeks out depending on what it is.

Sorry, I know that's a lot to digest but you should really try to narrow down your goals and then start designing your cycle from there. Decide if you want to maintain weight for a class, gain weight and move up, or if you don't care and just want to build strength anyway possible. Also, take health into account because there are obviously some cycles that are much harsher than others.

Whats your opinion on Mast and strength? Just curious

 

[barbell001]

Whats a good tren dose for you that doesn't affect cardio too much? My cardio already sucks without tren lol

I find I can still run 400mg Tren ace per week, or 60mg/day and it not affect me that bad. 100mg/day is tough on Deads and 80mg/day is defo noticeable Lol BUT obv the more you run the greater the effect on strength so ultimately you just have to accept it makes the big taxing exercises suck whilst you are doing them - the payoff however is when the workout is over you have some great lifts again lol All depends on what you class as good lifts also and your current BW - I'd kill to be around 250lb's because then a 500lb bench you don't have to bust a gut for as its only double bodyweight, where as for me to get in that region it takes a tonne of heavy gear and feeling like death along the way and I still never achieved it Lol. Again you can never get away from your starting genetics - WELL unless you are John Haack that is LMFAO

 

[God&Gainz]

In all honesty your numbers can be pushed alot higher with a quality training program and food.

Lots of powerlifting guys I know had double those numbers before they ever picked up the needle.

 

[barbell001]

In all honesty your numbers can be pushed alot higher with a quality training program and food.

Lots of powerlifting guys I know had double those numbers before they ever picked up the needle.

So you know guy's who can bench 300kg and deadlift 400kg plus when natty?!

 

[God&Gainz]

So you know guy's who can bench 300kg and deadlift 400kg plus when natty?!

I'm from the US we go by lbs lol. If those are kgs then my comment was wrong and I apologize for speaking prematurely.

Just been seeing an influx of people trying to use gear as a replacement for poor training and diet.