HGH, peptides, and AAS for surgery recovery

[theotherguy]

I had a fairly catastrophic muscle tear (pulled my lat off of my humerus on my right side) that is going to need surgery. In order to speed up the process, this is the cycle/cruise I have come up with so far:

6 IU EOD HGH
500 mcg TB500 ED
800 mcg BPC 157 ED
(I may inject both peptides EOD along with the growth just for the sake of not being a pin cushion)
100/100 test cyp/deca /wk

Obviously it would be useless to start before the surgery, but how long after the surgery can I start? Same day? 1 week after?

Is there anything else that I am missing? I saw there was already a similar thread, but did not want to hijack that thread.

 

[hghlover]

I had a fairly catastrophic muscle tear (pulled my lat off of my humerus on my right side) that is going to need surgery. In order to speed up the process, this is the cycle/cruise I have come up with so far:

6 IU EOD HGH
500 mcg TB500 ED
800 mcg BPC 157 ED
(I may inject both peptides EOD along with the growth just for the sake of not being a pin cushion)
100/100 test cyp/deca /wk

Obviously it would be useless to start before the surgery, but how long after the surgery can I start? Same day? 1 week after?

Is there anything else that I am missing? I saw there was already a similar thread, but did not want to hijack that thread.

Pretty depressing no one has answered you and helped.

I like the protocol minus all the steroids. Also don't slack on rehab.

Im on 4 iu hgh myself for injuries, considering bumping it to 5

 

[theotherguy]

Pretty depressing no one has answered you and helped.

I like the protocol minus all the steroids. Also don't slack on rehab.

Im on 4 iu hgh myself for injuries, considering bumping it to 5

Agreed 100%. Rehab is paramount as far as I’m concerned. All of the other stuff is seconday/tertiary.

So in your opinion the deca is a no go? I’m definitely going to be running TRT test (180-200mg/wk test cyp for me).

I was thinking somewhere around 3-4 IU growth per day. I’ve never used growth before so I think starting lower is better.

 

[hghlover]

I mean i think low doses is fine, but from all my research into it, steroids will not help you heal injuries, and high doses might even make it worse.

Prp/stem cells/hgh shows more promise.

Consider starting hgh one month before surgery, it takes time to ramp up igf1.

I started at 3 iu and increased 0.2 iu per week, worked well to mitigate sides

 

[hghlover]

Also vit c, zinc, cucurmin, fish oil, collagen, plenty of food, protein, water.. good stuff

 

[theotherguy]

Awesome, thanks so much for your input. I feel much better about the protocol. I’ll drop the deca and just run low TRT test

 

[hghlover]

Awesome, thanks so much for your input. I feel much better about the protocol. I’ll drop the deca and just run low TRT test

No worries man, good luck on your recovery

 

[Bumpygooch]

Nandrolone and anavar are both well known for collagen synthesis. The latter is currently being used in a post op rotator cuff tear study at USC.

 

[theotherguy]

Nandrolone and anavar are both well known for collagen synthesis. The latter is currently being used in a post op rotator cuff tear study at USC.

Anavar fucks with my gut and makes me cramp pretty hard, not sure I’d be willing to mess with it too much

 

[Bumpygooch]

Anavar fucks with my gut and makes me cramp pretty hard, not sure I’d be willing to mess with it too much

Use whatever works for you. Try 25mg/day, maybe, that’s what I used. But, do your own research, it confuses me how people just spout random, false information. Here’s a link from a post I made about my shoulder surgery, it includes everything I took post op. Surgeon was incredulous at my lack of atrophy. As far as what worked, I took so much shit, I have no idea, but, something did. I also resumed training 2 weeks post op(one arm and legs).

GH experimentation

So, yesterday I went under the knife. “Massive” full thickness RC tear, supraspinatus and infraspinatus reattachment, SLAP lesion #2, debridement, and biceps tenedosis. Dr told me post op there was “excessive damage.” Anyway, I have a new shoulder. Going to compare different GHs(Pharma and...

thinksteroids.com

 

[theotherguy]

Use whatever works for you. Try 25mg/day, maybe, that’s what I used. But, do your own research, it confuses me how people just spout random, false information. Here’s a link from a post I made about my shoulder surgery, it includes everything I took post op. Surgeon was incredulous at my lack of atrophy. As far as what worked, I took so much shit, I have no idea, but, something did. I also resumed training 2 weeks post op(one arm and legs).

GH experimentation

So, yesterday I went under the knife. “Massive” full thickness RC tear, supraspinatus and infraspinatus reattachment, SLAP lesion #2, debridement, and biceps tenedosis. Dr told me post op there was “excessive damage.” Anyway, I have a new shoulder. Going to compare different GHs(Pharma and...

thinksteroids.com

That’s a good point, I’ve never run less than 50 mg/day. I wonder if low dose anavar would be beneficial (10 mg/day). I’ll take a read through your thread too

 

[Bumpygooch]

That’s a good point, I’ve never run less than 50 mg/day. I wonder if low dose anavar would be beneficial (10 mg/day). I’ll take a read through your thread too

25mg is the dosage used by the male patients in the study. It’s also the dosage I used post op. Be patient, tendon to bone healing takes 6 months. I’m almost 10 months post op and still in PT.

 

[theotherguy]

Use whatever works for you. Try 25mg/day, maybe, that’s what I used. But, do your own research, it confuses me how people just spout random, false information. Here’s a link from a post I made about my shoulder surgery, it includes everything I took post op. Surgeon was incredulous at my lack of atrophy. As far as what worked, I took so much shit, I have no idea, but, something did. I also resumed training 2 weeks post op(one arm and legs).

GH experimentation

So, yesterday I went under the knife. “Massive” full thickness RC tear, supraspinatus and infraspinatus reattachment, SLAP lesion #2, debridement, and biceps tenedosis. Dr told me post op there was “excessive damage.” Anyway, I have a new shoulder. Going to compare different GHs(Pharma and...

thinksteroids.com

Well damn I was hoping for more info on there besides whomever guerilla pete is being a douche. I assume your recovery went well?

 

[theotherguy]

25mg is the dosage used by the male patients in the study. It’s also the dosage I used post op. Be patient, tendon to bone healing takes 6 months. I’m almost 10 months post op and still in PT.

Well damn, I was really hoping to cut down recovery time. I’m a high level amateur strongman and I fucked myself up in a comp but already want to get back into competing again

 

[theotherguy]

So I got about the best news I could possibly get. Initially the doc told me he thought I tore my lat off of my humerus. Today I found out that no muscles were torn off of any insertion points. However I do have moderate tears in both my lat and supraspinatus (I don’t know what exactly what it means, but something about a 50% interstitial tear in each of the muscles). So peptides and growth are still a go, but my recovery time will be much faster and I can start the peptides as soon as I get them in.

 

[theotherguy]

Pretty depressing no one has answered you and helped.

I like the protocol minus all the steroids. Also don't slack on rehab.

Im on 4 iu hgh myself for injuries, considering bumping it to 5

So I got about the best news I could possibly get. Initially the doc told me he thought I tore my lat off of my humerus. Today I found out that no muscles were torn off of any insertion points. However I do have moderate tears in both my lat and supraspinatus (I don’t know what exactly what it means, but something about a 50% interstitial tear in each of the muscles). So peptides and growth are still a go, but my recovery time will be much faster and I can start the peptides as soon as I get them in.

@hghlover Does this change your opinion on nandrolone at all, knowing that there is no/minimal connective tissue to be repaired?

 

[hghlover]

@hghlover Does this change your opinion on nandrolone at all, knowing that there is no/minimal connective tissue to be repaired?

I personally still wouldnt play around with it for injury healing. Hgh already dramatically increases collagen production.

I also think its more complicated than just collagen = fixes injury. There is different types of collagen, hgh provides cellular repair/proliferation of tissue etc.

From all my readings there is very mixed opinions on the injury healings of AAS. that being said, perhaps in especially low doses it can be fine? I don't wanna rule it out, and especially deca has some anecdotal stories to it

 

[theotherguy]

I personally still wouldnt play around with it for injury healing. Hgh already dramatically increases collagen production.

I also think its more complicated than just collagen = fixes injury. There is different types of collagen, hgh provides cellular repair/proliferation of tissue etc.

From all my readings there is very mixed opinions on the injury healings of AAS. that being said, perhaps in especially low doses it can be fine? I don't wanna rule it out, and especially deca has some anecdotal stories to it

Ok, thanks for that info. I still have not decided for or against it, I am still collecting information at this point.

 

[Bumpygooch]

Ok, thanks for that info. I still have not decided for or against it, I am still collecting information at this point.

Do your own research. As I wrote previously, there are several peer reviewed studies on AAS and collagen synthesis….nanadrolone, winstrol and anavar, well past “anecdotal stories.” Don’t just solicit info from other board members, put some work in your own research. It’s all out there.

 

[theotherguy]

Do your own research. As I wrote previously, there are several peer reviewed studies on AAS and collagen synthesis….nanadrolone, winstrol and anavar, well past “anecdotal stories.” Don’t just solicit info from other board members, put some work in your own research. It’s all out there.

I have done some and I intend to do more, that’s why I said I was still collecting info. Reading is hard for me right now because I’m dealing with a pretty severe case of central serous retinopathy in my right eye right now. So cliff notes are much easier for me to digest at this point.