Jan 6

[wsmwannabe]

White and nerdy

That’s exactly my point, most of the times, nothing is about race, and race is really only brought up when it comes to politics because it gets people fired up and fighting each other instead of the establishment

 

[malfeasance]

I was Republican for most of my life. I left the party for a number of reasons, but Trump made my final decision an easy one.

When you left, where did you go?

I was a Republican, then a Libertarian, but I find I do not land comfortably within either party. I am a classical liberal, but there is no party like that, so I do not currently have a home.

You?

 

[Hughinn]

That would certainly be tempting, but it would have in my opinion be the worst way to respond. The leaders are the ones who should be targeted for prosecution, primarily Trump.

The fools who took part in attempted coup were nothing but mindless robots. Responding with more violence would have resulted in more civil unrest.

Thanks for your response.

Sorry Paul, but this statement looks really stupid.

"Attempted coup". Really?

What kind of "coup" has an unarmed geriatric crowd?

And if that riot at the capital was an "insurrection" then so was the hundreds of attacks on the federal buildings in Portland, we were told we're "mostly peaceful protests". By that same definition, so was the riot at Jan 6. "Mostly peaceful protest"

You don't get to have it both ways.

 

[Big_paul]

I agree in many instances the authorities have shown restraint. Considering the the reason for the unrest that was probably wise.

 

[Big_paul]

When you left, where did you go?

I was a Republican, then a Libertarian, but I find I do not land comfortably within either party. I am a classical liberal, but there is no party like that, so I do not currently have a home.

You?

One thing that I can't support is any candidate that supports Trump or any of his claims of a rigged election. I also refuse to support a party that promotes voter suppression. That eleminates most of the Republican field.

I can't say I'm liberal, and I would rather see a field of Republican candidates that represent a party of the not so distant past.

I have very little incommon with progressive democrats, but if I have to choose between that and the right of the Republican party, I'm Democrat.

 

[Hughinn]

One thing that I can't support is any candidate that supports Trump or any of his claims of a rigged election. I also refuse to support a party that promotes voter suppression. That eleminates most of the Republican field.

I can't say I'm liberal, and I would rather see a field of Republican candidates that represent a party of the not so distant past.

I have very little incommon with progressive democrats, but if I have to choose between that and the right of the Republican party, I'm Democrat.

I'm exactly the opposite.

I used to be a strong supporter of the democrat party. As a working man, from a blue collar family I thought they were ones who represent us the best.
Boy, was I confused.

The democrat party is basically a global PR firm. Owned by billionaires with globalist ambition. The democrat party sells American policy to their corporate owners. I Know that now.

Republicans, lately come to the right conclusion. Only too late to do anything about it. And they have no backbone.

I'm more libertarian in my political opinions.

But I don't like your comment about the election. It shows me that you're not very perceptive.

This post sums it up for me.

By Darryl Cooper

I think I’ve had discussions w/enough Boomer-tier Trump supporters who believe the 2020 election was fraudulent to extract a general theory about their perspective. It is also the perspective of most of the people at the Capitol on 1/6, and probably even Trump himself.

Most believe some or all of the theories involving midnight ballots, voting machines, etc, but what you find when you talk to them is that, while they’ll defend those positions w/info they got from Hannity or Breitbart or whatever, they’re not particularly attached to them.

Here are the facts – actual, confirmed facts – that shape their perspective: 1) The FBI/etc spied on the 2016 Trump campaign using evidence manufactured by the Clinton campaign. We now know that all involved knew it was fake from Day 1 (see: Brennan’s July 2016 memo, etc).

These are Tea Party people. The types who give their kids a pocket Constitution for their birthday and have Founding Fathers memes in their bios. The intel community spying on a presidential campaign using fake evidence (incl forged documents) is a big deal to them.

Everyone involved lied about their involvement as long as they could. We only learned the DNC paid for the manufactured evidence because of a court order. Comey denied on TV knowing the DNC paid for it, when we have emails from a year earlier proving that he knew.

This was true with everyone, from CIA Dir Brennan & Adam Schiff – who were on TV saying they’d seen clear evidence of collusion w/Russia, while admitting under oath behind closed doors that they hadn’t – all the way down the line. In the end we learned that it was ALL fake.

At first, many Trump ppl were worried there must be some collusion, because every media & intel agency wouldn’t make it up out of nothing. When it was clear that they had made it up, people expected a reckoning, and shed many illusions about their gov’t when it didn’t happen.

We know as fact: a) The Steele dossier was the sole evidence used to justify spying on the Trump campaign, b) The FBI knew the Steele dossier was a DNC op, c) Steele’s source told the FBI the info was unserious, d) they did not inform the court of any of this and kept spying.

Trump supporters know the collusion case front and back. They went from worrying the collusion must be real, to suspecting it might be fake, to realizing it was a scam, then watched as every institution – agencies, the press, Congress, academia – gaslit them for another year.

Worse, collusion was used to scare people away from working in the administration. They knew their entire lives would be investigated. Many quit because they were being bankrupted by legal fees. The DoJ, press, & gov’t destroyed lives and actively subverted an elected admin.

This is where people whose political identity was largely defined by a naive belief in what they learned in Civics class began to see the outline of a Regime that crossed all institutional boundaries. Because it had stepped out of the shadows to unite against an interloper.

GOP propaganda still has many of them thinking in terms of partisan binaries, but A LOT of Trump supporters see that the Regime is not partisan. They all know that the same institutions would have taken opposite sides if it was a Tulsi Gabbard vs Jeb Bush election.

It’s hard to describe to people on the left (who are used to thinking of gov’t as a conspiracy… Watergate, COINTELPRO, WMD, etc) how shocking & disillusioning this was for people who encourage their sons to enlist in the Army, and hate ppl who don’t stand for the Anthem.

They could have managed the shock if it only involved the government. But the behavior of the corporate press is really what radicalized them. They hate journalists more than they hate any politician or gov’t official, because they feel most betrayed by them.

The idea that the press is driven by ratings/sensationalism became untenable. If that were true, they’d be all over the Epstein story. The corporate press is the propaganda arm of the Regime they now see in outline. Nothing anyone says will ever make them unsee that, period.

This is profoundly disorienting. Many of them don’t know for certain whether ballots were faked in November 2020, but they know for absolute certain that the press, the FBI, etc would lie to them if there was. They have every reason to believe that, and it’s probably true.

They watched the press behave like animals for four years. Tens of millions of people will always see Kavanaugh as a gang rapist, based on nothing, because of CNN. And CNN seems proud of that. They led a lynch mob against a high school kid. They cheered on a summer of riots.

They always claimed the media had liberal bias, fine, whatever. They still thought the press would admit truth if they were cornered. Now they don’t. It’s a different thing to watch them invent stories whole cloth in order to destroy regular lives and spark mass violence.

Time Mag told us that during the 2020 riots, there were weekly conference calls involving, among others, leaders of the protests, the local officials who refused to stop them, and media people who framed them for political effect. In Ukraine we call that a color revolution.

Throughout the summer, Democrat governors took advantage of COVID to change voting procedures. It wasn’t just the mail-ins (they lowered signature matching standards, etc). After the collusion scam, the fake impeachment, Trump ppl expected shenanigans by now.

Re: “fake impeachment”, we now know that Trump’s request for Ukraine to cooperate w/the DOJ regarding Biden’s $ activities in Ukraine was in support of an active investigation being pursued by the FBI and Ukraine AG at the time, and so a completely legitimate request.

Then you get the Hunter laptop scandal. Big Tech ran a full-on censorship campaign against a major newspaper to protect a political candidate. Period. Everyone knows it, all of the Tech companies now admit it was a “mistake” – but, ya know, the election’s over, so who cares?

Goes w/o saying, but: If the NY Times had Don Jr’s laptop, full of pics of him smoking crack and engaging in group sex, lots of lurid family drama, emails describing direct corruption and backed up by the CEO of the company they were using, the NYT wouldn’t have been banned.

Think back: Stories about Trump being pissed on by Russian prostitutes and blackmailed by Putin were promoted as fact, and the only evidence was a document paid for by his opposition and disavowed by its source. The NY Post was banned for reporting on true information.

The reaction of Trump ppl to all this was not, “no fair!” That’s how they felt about Romney’s “binders of women” in 2012. This is different. Now they see, correctly, that every institution is captured by ppl who will use any means to exclude them from the political process.

And yet they showed up in record numbers to vote. He got 13m more votes than in 2016, 10m more than Clinton got! As election night dragged on, they allowed themselves some hope. But when the four critical swing states (and only those states) went dark at midnight, they knew.

Over the ensuing weeks, they got shuffled around by grifters and media scam artists selling them conspiracy theories. They latched onto one, then another increasingly absurd theory as they tried to put a concrete name on something very real.

Media & Tech did everything to make things worse. Everything about the election was strange – the changes to procedure, unprecedented mail-in voting, the delays, etc – but rather than admit that and make everything transparent, they banned discussion of it (even in DMs!).

Everyone knows that, just as Don Jr’s laptop would’ve been the story of the century, if everything about the election dispute was the same, except the parties were reversed, suspicions about the outcome would’ve been Taken Very Seriously. See 2016 for proof.

Even the courts’ refusal of the case gets nowhere w/them, because of how the opposition embraced mass political violence. They’ll say, w/good reason: What judge will stick his neck out for Trump knowing he’ll be destroyed in the media as a violent mob burns down his house?

It’s a fact, according to Time Magazine, that mass riots were planned in cities across the country if Trump won. Sure, they were “protests”, but they were planned by the same people as during the summer, and everyone knows what it would have meant. Judges have families, too.

Forget the ballot conspiracies. It’s a fact that governors used COVID to unconstitutionally alter election procedures (the Constitution states that only legislatures can do so) to help Biden to make up for a massive enthusiasm gap by gaming the mail-in ballot system.

They knew it was unconstitutional, it’s right there in plain English. But they knew the cases wouldn’t see court until after the election. And what judge will toss millions of ballots because a governor broke the rules? The threat of mass riots wasn’t implied, it was direct.

a) The entrenched bureaucracy & security state subverted Trump from Day 1, b) The press is part of the operation, c) Election rules were changed, d) Big Tech censors opposition, e) Political violence is legitimized & encouraged, f) Trump is banned from social media.

They were led down some rabbit holes, but they are absolutely right that their gov’t is monopolized by a Regime that believes they are beneath representation, and will observe no limits to keep them getting it. Trump fans should be happy he lost; it might’ve kept him alive.

Basically, there's no way in hell I'd ever support another democrat.

 

[Big_paul]

Sorry Paul, but this statement looks really stupid.

You mean we have a difference of opinion? I can accept that and can understand why some want to see things differently. Not many Americans see themselves as ones who would threaten the foundation of democracy in our country. Many people, if not the majority of Americans see what occurred as just that.

 

[Big_paul]

I'm exactly the opposite.

I used to be a strong supporter of the democrat party. As a working man, from a blue collar family I thought they were ones who represent us the best.
Boy, was I confused.

The democrat party is basically a global PR firm. Owned by billionaires with globalist ambition. The democrat party sells American policy to their corporate owners. I Know that now.

Republicans, lately come to the right conclusion. Only too late to do anything about it. And they have no backbone.

I'm more libertarian in my political opinions.

But I don't like your comment about the election. It shows me that you're not very perceptive.

This post sums it up for me.

By Darryl Cooper

I think I’ve had discussions w/enough Boomer-tier Trump supporters who believe the 2020 election was fraudulent to extract a general theory about their perspective. It is also the perspective of most of the people at the Capitol on 1/6, and probably even Trump himself.

Most believe some or all of the theories involving midnight ballots, voting machines, etc, but what you find when you talk to them is that, while they’ll defend those positions w/info they got from Hannity or Breitbart or whatever, they’re not particularly attached to them.

Here are the facts – actual, confirmed facts – that shape their perspective: 1) The FBI/etc spied on the 2016 Trump campaign using evidence manufactured by the Clinton campaign. We now know that all involved knew it was fake from Day 1 (see: Brennan’s July 2016 memo, etc).

These are Tea Party people. The types who give their kids a pocket Constitution for their birthday and have Founding Fathers memes in their bios. The intel community spying on a presidential campaign using fake evidence (incl forged documents) is a big deal to them.

Everyone involved lied about their involvement as long as they could. We only learned the DNC paid for the manufactured evidence because of a court order. Comey denied on TV knowing the DNC paid for it, when we have emails from a year earlier proving that he knew.

This was true with everyone, from CIA Dir Brennan & Adam Schiff – who were on TV saying they’d seen clear evidence of collusion w/Russia, while admitting under oath behind closed doors that they hadn’t – all the way down the line. In the end we learned that it was ALL fake.

At first, many Trump ppl were worried there must be some collusion, because every media & intel agency wouldn’t make it up out of nothing. When it was clear that they had made it up, people expected a reckoning, and shed many illusions about their gov’t when it didn’t happen.

We know as fact: a) The Steele dossier was the sole evidence used to justify spying on the Trump campaign, b) The FBI knew the Steele dossier was a DNC op, c) Steele’s source told the FBI the info was unserious, d) they did not inform the court of any of this and kept spying.

Trump supporters know the collusion case front and back. They went from worrying the collusion must be real, to suspecting it might be fake, to realizing it was a scam, then watched as every institution – agencies, the press, Congress, academia – gaslit them for another year.

Worse, collusion was used to scare people away from working in the administration. They knew their entire lives would be investigated. Many quit because they were being bankrupted by legal fees. The DoJ, press, & gov’t destroyed lives and actively subverted an elected admin.

This is where people whose political identity was largely defined by a naive belief in what they learned in Civics class began to see the outline of a Regime that crossed all institutional boundaries. Because it had stepped out of the shadows to unite against an interloper.

GOP propaganda still has many of them thinking in terms of partisan binaries, but A LOT of Trump supporters see that the Regime is not partisan. They all know that the same institutions would have taken opposite sides if it was a Tulsi Gabbard vs Jeb Bush election.

It’s hard to describe to people on the left (who are used to thinking of gov’t as a conspiracy… Watergate, COINTELPRO, WMD, etc) how shocking & disillusioning this was for people who encourage their sons to enlist in the Army, and hate ppl who don’t stand for the Anthem.

They could have managed the shock if it only involved the government. But the behavior of the corporate press is really what radicalized them. They hate journalists more than they hate any politician or gov’t official, because they feel most betrayed by them.

The idea that the press is driven by ratings/sensationalism became untenable. If that were true, they’d be all over the Epstein story. The corporate press is the propaganda arm of the Regime they now see in outline. Nothing anyone says will ever make them unsee that, period.

This is profoundly disorienting. Many of them don’t know for certain whether ballots were faked in November 2020, but they know for absolute certain that the press, the FBI, etc would lie to them if there was. They have every reason to believe that, and it’s probably true.

They watched the press behave like animals for four years. Tens of millions of people will always see Kavanaugh as a gang rapist, based on nothing, because of CNN. And CNN seems proud of that. They led a lynch mob against a high school kid. They cheered on a summer of riots.

They always claimed the media had liberal bias, fine, whatever. They still thought the press would admit truth if they were cornered. Now they don’t. It’s a different thing to watch them invent stories whole cloth in order to destroy regular lives and spark mass violence.

Time Mag told us that during the 2020 riots, there were weekly conference calls involving, among others, leaders of the protests, the local officials who refused to stop them, and media people who framed them for political effect. In Ukraine we call that a color revolution.

Throughout the summer, Democrat governors took advantage of COVID to change voting procedures. It wasn’t just the mail-ins (they lowered signature matching standards, etc). After the collusion scam, the fake impeachment, Trump ppl expected shenanigans by now.

Re: “fake impeachment”, we now know that Trump’s request for Ukraine to cooperate w/the DOJ regarding Biden’s $ activities in Ukraine was in support of an active investigation being pursued by the FBI and Ukraine AG at the time, and so a completely legitimate request.

Then you get the Hunter laptop scandal. Big Tech ran a full-on censorship campaign against a major newspaper to protect a political candidate. Period. Everyone knows it, all of the Tech companies now admit it was a “mistake” – but, ya know, the election’s over, so who cares?

Goes w/o saying, but: If the NY Times had Don Jr’s laptop, full of pics of him smoking crack and engaging in group sex, lots of lurid family drama, emails describing direct corruption and backed up by the CEO of the company they were using, the NYT wouldn’t have been banned.

Think back: Stories about Trump being pissed on by Russian prostitutes and blackmailed by Putin were promoted as fact, and the only evidence was a document paid for by his opposition and disavowed by its source. The NY Post was banned for reporting on true information.

The reaction of Trump ppl to all this was not, “no fair!” That’s how they felt about Romney’s “binders of women” in 2012. This is different. Now they see, correctly, that every institution is captured by ppl who will use any means to exclude them from the political process.

And yet they showed up in record numbers to vote. He got 13m more votes than in 2016, 10m more than Clinton got! As election night dragged on, they allowed themselves some hope. But when the four critical swing states (and only those states) went dark at midnight, they knew.

Over the ensuing weeks, they got shuffled around by grifters and media scam artists selling them conspiracy theories. They latched onto one, then another increasingly absurd theory as they tried to put a concrete name on something very real.

Media & Tech did everything to make things worse. Everything about the election was strange – the changes to procedure, unprecedented mail-in voting, the delays, etc – but rather than admit that and make everything transparent, they banned discussion of it (even in DMs!).

Everyone knows that, just as Don Jr’s laptop would’ve been the story of the century, if everything about the election dispute was the same, except the parties were reversed, suspicions about the outcome would’ve been Taken Very Seriously. See 2016 for proof.

Even the courts’ refusal of the case gets nowhere w/them, because of how the opposition embraced mass political violence. They’ll say, w/good reason: What judge will stick his neck out for Trump knowing he’ll be destroyed in the media as a violent mob burns down his house?

It’s a fact, according to Time Magazine, that mass riots were planned in cities across the country if Trump won. Sure, they were “protests”, but they were planned by the same people as during the summer, and everyone knows what it would have meant. Judges have families, too.

Forget the ballot conspiracies. It’s a fact that governors used COVID to unconstitutionally alter election procedures (the Constitution states that only legislatures can do so) to help Biden to make up for a massive enthusiasm gap by gaming the mail-in ballot system.

They knew it was unconstitutional, it’s right there in plain English. But they knew the cases wouldn’t see court until after the election. And what judge will toss millions of ballots because a governor broke the rules? The threat of mass riots wasn’t implied, it was direct.

a) The entrenched bureaucracy & security state subverted Trump from Day 1, b) The press is part of the operation, c) Election rules were changed, d) Big Tech censors opposition, e) Political violence is legitimized & encouraged, f) Trump is banned from social media.

They were led down some rabbit holes, but they are absolutely right that their gov’t is monopolized by a Regime that believes they are beneath representation, and will observe no limits to keep them getting it. Trump fans should be happy he lost; it might’ve kept him alive.

Basically, there's no way in hell I'd ever support another democrat.

Lol. That was quick. I can't say I entirely disagree.

 

[Hughinn]

You mean we have a difference of opinion? I can accept that and can understand why some want to see things differently. Not many Americans see themselves as ones who would threaten the foundation of democracy in our country. Many people, if not the majority of Americans see what occurred as just that.

"The foundation of democracy in this country"

Is built on the basic tenets of personal Liberty, responsibility and fair representation.

If the election process is rigged against you, then that foundation no longer exists anyway.

Smart leadership would understand that the best way to legitimize yourself, would be to prove that your victory was fair and legitimate.

That's exactly what the democrat party refused to do. And that encouraged the skeptical people. It didn't unite them into the fold. It pushed them away.

It's not just Americans either Paul. There's a large portion of the world who doesn't believe the Last election was legitimate.

 

[malfeasance]

One thing that I can't support is any candidate that supports Trump or any of his claims of a rigged election. I also refuse to support a party that promotes voter suppression. That eleminates most of the Republican field.

I can't say I'm liberal, and I would rather see a field of Republican candidates that represent a party of the not so distant past.

I have very little incommon with progressive democrats, but if I have to choose between that and the right of the Republican party, I'm Democrat.

Thanks for answering. From my perspective, you have gone in the wrong direction. I could never support the political left. I drifted over the other way toward libertarian, but to be honest, I am stuck somewhere between conservative and libertarian, meaning I don't fit in with either crowd. A consistent theme for me is smaller government and more liberty, which means moving as far away as possible from "progressive Democrats."

 

[Test_Subject]

It's not just Americans either Paul. There's a large portion of the world who doesn't believe the Last election was legitimate.

A large portion of the world also believe that men have one less rib than women, which is demonstrably false. Argumentum ad populum is a logical fallacy. A belief is not intrinsically correct by virtue of being commonly held.

I don’t care for Biden, either, but there has been ample opportunity to prove the illegitimacy of the election and the proof has never materialized.

What ever happened to “The Kraken”?

 

[malfeasance]

What ever happened to “The Kraken”?

She is still around, trying to keep from having a massive judgment against her for libel and trying to keep her license to practice law. I predict she loses on both counts.

 

[malfeasance]

Judge sanctions Sidney Powell and other attorneys who filed lawsuit challenging 2020 election

A federal judge in Michigan has ordered sanctions against former Trump attorney Sidney Powell and others who sought to overturn Joe Biden's 2020 victory in the state.

abcnews.go.com

 

[Test_Subject]

She is still around, trying to keep from having a massive judgment against her for libel and trying to keep her license to practice law. I predict she loses on both counts.

One would hope. It’s one thing to question the process and doubt the results. It’s quite another thing to bring forth specious, libellous claims and present them as fact without any supporting evidence of any kind.

I’m all for election audits and accountability, but Giuliani, Powell et al. vastly overestimated the power of public opinion over the legal burden of proof and paid for it — as they should.

 

[Hughinn]

A large portion of the world also believe that men have one less rib than women, which is demonstrably false. Argumentum ad populum is a logical fallacy. A belief is not intrinsically correct by virtue of being commonly held.

I don’t care for Biden, either, but there has been ample opportunity to prove the illegitimacy of the election and the proof has never materialized.

What ever happened to “The Kraken”?

There's also been ample opportunity to show transparency and legitimacy of the election.

Smart and honest leadership would want to whatever they needed to assure the people they intended to lead that their leadership is legitimate, and that they have the best interests of all peoples in mind.

But, this is not smart nor honest leadership.

So people are naturally skeptical. All over the world.

The people in Ukraine for example, watched first hand joe and hunter biden fleece millions of dollars from Ukrainian energy companies in return for political influence, they know who joe Biden is.

The people in Afghanistan remember 2000s when joe biden was in Kabul trying to rally the afghan people to fight against the taliban, amd now they seen him abandon them after they did fight, and now they will be hunted down and murdered unless they were lucky enough to displaced from thier homes to work as toilet scrubbers in rich liberal cities. They know who joe biden is.

Any sensible person seen many things that didn't make sense and naturally ask questions. But, questions aren't allowed.

You're entitled to your opinions. But I take it personally that you choose to insult people who have a different perspective than you, as being less informed or intelligent. It's smug, condescending, ignorant and untrue.

I posted why many would doubt the election. If you can't refute the point, the I'd appreciate you refrain from insults.

 

[Test_Subject]

There's also been ample opportunity to show transparency and legitimacy of the election.

Smart and honest leadership would want to whatever they needed to assure the people they intended to lead that their leadership is legitimate, and that they have the best interests of all peoples in mind.

But, this is not smart nor honest leadership.

So people are naturally skeptical. All over the world.

I get what you’re saying, but the onus for providing proof lies on the person or people making the claim. That’s the whole basis of “innocent until proven guilty.”

If people are going to claim that the election was rigged, they need to provide proof that that’s indeed the case, otherwise they have no reason to make that claim in the first place.

If I claim that Joe Biden is secretly a member of the lizard race, for example, it’s up to me to prove that he is; it’s not up to him to prove that he isn’t because I’m the one making the claim. Likewise, without definitive evidence that the election was fraudulent, there’s no reason to believe that it was and thus no need to “prove” its legitimacy.

 

[Gbro]

I get what you’re saying, but the onus for providing proof lies on the person or people making the claim.

If people are going to claim that the election was rigged, they need to provide proof that that’s indeed the case, otherwise they have no reason to make the claim in the first place.

If I claim that Joe Biden is secretly a member of the lizard race, for example, it’s up to me to prove that he is; it’s not up to him to prove that he isn’t because I’m the one making the claim. Likewise, without definitive evidence that the election was fraudulent, there’s no reason to believe that it was and thus no need to “prove” its legitimacy.

That is a ridiculous assertion. You shouldn't have to be able to prove anything to ask for a transparent recount.

 

[Test_Subject]

That is a ridiculous assertion. You shouldn't have to be able to prove anything to ask for a transparent recount.

They did several recounts. They’re built into the system.

On what basis should more recounts have been ordered? On what evidence?

You can’t just order very expensive, time consuming recounts because you don’t like the result.

 

[Gbro]

They did several recounts. They’re built into the system.

There is a point of disagreement. Many people were unsatisfied with the way the recounts were conducted. Why is one party so adamant against performing an open recount with public observers? What's the problem? The winning party should be chomping at the the bit to show how they clearly won.

 

[pigeonhed]

Recounts are done by the state, not federally. It is really complex and honestly almost impossible to understand all the rules.

 https://ballotpedia.org/Election_recount_laws_and_procedures_in_the_50_states,_2020

The federal part of Elections and the federal laws which ride over any state level laws are stated well at this link.

 https://www.usa.gov/voting-laws

Some people really enjoy politics. I think it is like watching dogs eat peanut butter, funny to laugh at for a minute but then just kinda sad.