lacking shoulders - What helped you grow them when they werent?

[broschmo]

you have no development. Stop saying you have a physique

If you want to compare apples to apples show us some pictures of your physique before hoping on the sauce train.

 

[broschmo]

You haven’t tried anything consistently enough to know if it works or not

Says who?
Dude, you're fucking 8 years older than me or some shit. Stop acting like your a fucking senior. Cringe.

 

[NLM36]

If you want to compare apples to apples show us some pictures of your physique before hoping on the sauce train.

Ah yes, because it’s all drugs right? Drugs do all the work.

 

[79Lifter]

Oh yeah, sure.
Something magical will happen in the next 8 years to my shoulder joint.
I had rotator cuff issues when I did MMA/Kickboxing.
Also when I first started benching.

Never, ever, have I had shoulder pain doing lateral raises. Nor have I met anyone who does. I can't even see how doing lateral raises puts stress in your rotator cuff.

You're just blowing smoke but we can agree to disagree, no biggie.

Me after a small cut to prime myself for my first mini-blast later this month:

Had 3 pins put in my shoulder in 2019. 6 hour surgery. Doing side raises with an impingement will hurt and add to tendon issues/tearing. You are 100% incorrect in assuming they cannot hurt. Or cause problems for some people.

 

[NLM36]

Says who?
Dude, you're fucking 8 years older than me or some shit. Stop acting like your a fucking senior. Cringe.

I can tell by your lack of development and musculature. You could still milk beginner gains.

 

[NLM36]

Had 3 pins put in my shoulder in 2019. 6 hour surgery. Doing side raises with an impingement will hurt and add to tendon issues/tearing. You are 100% incorrect in assuming they cannot hurt. Or cause problems for some people.

No bro, he knows everything. He read it in a book. There’s no thing that exists. Look at him he’s put time in and everything.

 

[broschmo]

Had 3 pins put in my shoulder in 2019. 6 hour surgery. Doing side raises with an impingement will hurt and add to tendon issues/tearing. You are 100% incorrect in assuming they cannot hurt. Or cause problems for some people.

Again, how many times per week where you doing lateral raises?

Shoulder impingement comes from loading forces in an unnatural joint pattern. I never said you could never get hurt doing lateral raises with improper technique. I only said frequency was not the cause of it.

You can definitely get hurt doing almost any exercise or movement. Frequency is not the issue here tho.

 

[79Lifter]

No bro, he knows everything. He read it in a book. There’s no thing that exists. Look at him he’s put time in and everything.

I just had to put in my bit. I read that and was like WTF???

I can’t talk about looks at the moment. Just came off an 8 month break from lifting due to almost tearing the tendons off my elbows last year. Lost about 25lbs of solid muscle

 

[NLM36]

Again, how many times per week where you doing lateral raises?

Shoulder impingement comes from loading forces in an unnatural joint pattern. I never said you could never get hurt doing lateral raises with improper technique. I only said frequency was not the cause of it.

You can definitely get hurt doing almost any exercise or movement. Frequency is not the issue here tho.

Jesus Christ so you can’t get repetitive use injuries? Shoulder joints are especially prone to them

 

[broschmo]

No bro, he knows everything. He read it in a book. There’s no thing that exists. Look at him he’s put time in and everything.

I fucking coached people beside myself.

Just because you can get away with training like a pussy because of gear doesn't mean everyone can.

Go sit in your recliner chair, old spirit.

 

[NLM36]

I fucking coached people beside myself.

Just because you can get away with training like a pussy because of gear doesn't mean everyone can.

Go sit in your recliner chair, old spirit.

Training like a pussy? I literally either use DC, Yates style or Jordan Peters like I’m doing now. This shit doesn’t work if you train like a pussy. You’ve never trained a day in your life. You’re gonna be sorely disappointed when you get nothing out of your cycle because you’ve gotten nothing without it.

 

[broschmo]

Jesus Christ so you can’t get repetitive use injuries?

Fucking hell, when have I said that?
You absolutely can but not by doing fucking 3 sets of lateral raises with 25's EOD.
Sure, if you train to failure every fucking set, use improper technique and don't rest, you can get injured.

Again, your body is not a frail little thing, tendons adapt and grow and you have to know how to program.
If you want to bring your lateral head up, just up the frequency for a couple mesos.
Overuse does not happen in a month. Stop being desingenuous.

 

[79Lifter]

Again, how many times per week where you doing lateral raises?

Shoulder impingement comes from loading forces in an unnatural joint pattern. I never said you could never get hurt doing lateral raises with improper technique. I only said frequency was not the cause of it.

You can definitely get hurt doing almost any exercise or movement. Frequency is not the issue here tho.

My shoulders respond to higher reps. I do them 3 times a week. I’m also over 40 and lifting crazy heavy is just out the window.

Impingement can come from multiple things. Mine was genetic. I have a seriously tiny subacromial space which led to impingement problems and eventually a bad tear, hence a 6 hour scope surgery.

But you can overtrain any muscle and injure it. To think not is just inaccurate.

 

[NLM36]

Fucking hell, when have I said that?
You absolutely can but not by doing fucking 3 sets of lateral raises with 25's EOD.
Sure, if you train to failure every fucking set, use improper technique and don't rest, you can get injured.

Again, your body is not a frail little thing, tendons adapt and grow and you have to know how to program.
If you want to bring your lateral head up, just up the frequency for a couple mesos.
Overuse does not happen in a month. Stop being desingenuous.

Or you know get stronger. Stop giving advice when you have no experience with application. You don’t even have shoulders, or anything else developed. Maybe it’s because you try to make up for lack of effort and intensity with more frequency and volume.

 

[broschmo]

Or you know get stronger. Stop giving advice when you have no experience with application. You don’t even have shoulders, or anything else developed. Maybe it’s because you try to make up for lack of effort and intensity with more frequency and volume.

You can hola at my Instagram and tell me I don't train with intensity, I use the same handle.

Still waiting for them natty pics.

Top left and bottom right (the left pic) were before I went back to the gym, only doing MMA at the time.
Went from 175 to 195 lean in 2 years, please tell me more about how I don't know how to get results.

I'm hoping for you to keep me accountable in my upcoming cycle log tho.

 

[broschmo]

My shoulders respond to higher reps. I do them 3 times a week. I’m also over 40 and lifting crazy heavy is just out the window.

Impingement can come from multiple things. Mine was genetic. I have a seriously tiny subacromial space which led to impingement problems and eventually a bad tear, hence a 6 hour scope surgery.

But you can overtrain any muscle and injure it. To think not is just inaccurate.

Yes, genetic differences in the acromium positioning and shape are a bitch.

I agree, you definitely can but there are more variables involved.
Saying a black and white statement like "doing lateral raises 4x a week will get you snapped up" is also grossely innacurate and nocebo-ing. That's my beef with @NLM36 , no matter how hard he's trying to twist my words.

 

[malfeasance]

You have a very good build for a natty.

 

[malfeasance]

you have

Nice quads!

 

[broschmo]

Nice quads!

I agree, he does have nice quads tho.

 

[broschmo]

You have a very good build for a natty.

Thanks, brah.