Intermittent Fasting

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What are people's thoughts on this?
I have tried this rather successfully recently. I generally go with 8 hour window for food intake/16 hours no food +/- 2 hours on a given day.
Seems to be one of the easier programs for me to follow.
I am just wondering if this can negatively impact muscle building.
I already have decent size so I am not trying to pack on a ton of muscle. At this point, I try to at least keep the muscle I have and cut the extra fat.
 
I have had excellent results with IF and fat loss, muscle development, stamina, on cycle and off.

I was overweight when I started IF in 2015, and it's been the only thing that has helped me consistently keep the weight off. Over the span of 8 months, I lost 40lbs (275 down to 235), and I have consistently hovered between 220 and 240lbs since then. I started doing a 16/8 hour split, meaning I had an 8 hour window to eat per day, and generally would eat at the end of the day. The adjustment period took about 3 weeks before the hunger pangs subsided and I could go all day without needing to eat.

With time, I increased my spacing between feedings, and have settled on a 21/3. It works for me, and despite working a physically demanding job and lifting, I have gas in the tank to get through the day. Hydration is extremely important, so I keep a gallon of water on me all day.

My biggest tip when doing IF is to keep carbs to a minimum. I find that my body digests it too quickly, and come the morning, I wake up hungry, versus a protein and fats rich diet would keep me satiated throughout the day.

Intermittent fasting has benefits with a window as big as 12/12, so don't be shy, experiment, and see what works for you!
 
I have had excellent results with IF and fat loss, muscle development, stamina, on cycle and off.

I was overweight when I started IF in 2015, and it's been the only thing that has helped me consistently keep the weight off. Over the span of 8 months, I lost 40lbs (275 down to 235), and I have consistently hovered between 220 and 240lbs since then. I started doing a 16/8 hour split, meaning I had an 8 hour window to eat per day, and generally would eat at the end of the day. The adjustment period took about 3 weeks before the hunger pangs subsided and I could go all day without needing to eat.

With time, I increased my spacing between feedings, and have settled on a 21/3. It works for me, and despite working a physically demanding job and lifting, I have gas in the tank to get through the day. Hydration is extremely important, so I keep a gallon of water on me all day.

My biggest tip when doing IF is to keep carbs to a minimum. I find that my body digests it too quickly, and come the morning, I wake up hungry, versus a protein and fats rich diet would keep me satiated throughout the day.

Intermittent fasting has benefits with a window as big as 12/12, so don't be shy, experiment, and see what works for you!
How many calories are you actually able to take eat in a 3 hour window? That sounds horrible to me. Glad it's working for you, but damn
 
I have had excellent results with IF and fat loss, muscle development, stamina, on cycle and off.

I was overweight when I started IF in 2015, and it's been the only thing that has helped me consistently keep the weight off. Over the span of 8 months, I lost 40lbs (275 down to 235), and I have consistently hovered between 220 and 240lbs since then. I started doing a 16/8 hour split, meaning I had an 8 hour window to eat per day, and generally would eat at the end of the day. The adjustment period took about 3 weeks before the hunger pangs subsided and I could go all day without needing to eat.

With time, I increased my spacing between feedings, and have settled on a 21/3. It works for me, and despite working a physically demanding job and lifting, I have gas in the tank to get through the day. Hydration is extremely important, so I keep a gallon of water on me all day.

My biggest tip when doing IF is to keep carbs to a minimum. I find that my body digests it too quickly, and come the morning, I wake up hungry, versus a protein and fats rich diet would keep me satiated throughout the day.

Intermittent fasting has benefits with a window as big as 12/12, so don't be shy, experiment, and see what works for you!
This, only with salts (Na, K) added to the water while fasting... Keeps electrolyte balance and the muscles full (been doing it for 4 years, with a one year gap of going back to eating every 5-6 hours only to find out i feel moslty ill eating like that).
 
I have had excellent results with IF and fat loss, muscle development, stamina, on cycle and off.

I was overweight when I started IF in 2015, and it's been the only thing that has helped me consistently keep the weight off. Over the span of 8 months, I lost 40lbs (275 down to 235), and I have consistently hovered between 220 and 240lbs since then. I started doing a 16/8 hour split, meaning I had an 8 hour window to eat per day, and generally would eat at the end of the day. The adjustment period took about 3 weeks before the hunger pangs subsided and I could go all day without needing to eat.

With time, I increased my spacing between feedings, and have settled on a 21/3. It works for me, and despite working a physically demanding job and lifting, I have gas in the tank to get through the day. Hydration is extremely important, so I keep a gallon of water on me all day.

My biggest tip when doing IF is to keep carbs to a minimum. I find that my body digests it too quickly, and come the morning, I wake up hungry, versus a protein and fats rich diet would keep me satiated throughout the day.

Intermittent fasting has benefits with a window as big as 12/12, so don't be shy, experiment, and see what works for you!
Interesting. I would never be able to do 21/3. I mainly do the 16/8 but some days I find I need something. I always get at least 12 hours of not eating.
 
How many calories are you actually able to take eat in a 3 hour window? That sounds horrible to me. Glad it's working for you, but damn
A 3 hour window is the narrowest window I can work with, and it's not something I will adhere to strictly depending on my goals. When I'm cruising to maintain, or cut, it works fantastic, and I can eat under 3k cals with relative ease, though with bulking phase it just doesn't work unless I want to eat really dirty, so I have to open my window up.

I prioritize my protein intake firstly, and will start off with a pound of beef or 12 eggs. Down it with 2 scoops of protein shake. Whatever caloric deficit I'm missing will be compensated with carbs or whatever calorie dense food I'm in the mood for along with another shake. I average 200-250g of protein per day, 120g from the shakes alone. It isn't ideal, however chewing 250g of protein in 3 hours isbtoo much for me.

I have tried reverting to a normal eating schedule, however, I feel bogged down on it. Having my digestive track running non stop all day makes me feel drowsy and lethargic. My body has become used to IF, and so long as it aligns with my goals, I'll continue to do so.
 
IF is good if done for short periods of time. If you make it a lifestyle insulin sensitivity will be a problem. I fasted with my diet for 2 years and looked absolutely shredded and the last 2 years I’ve been fixing my metabolism lol. Fasting is a great tool but if you overdo it you will crash, hard.
 
IF is good if done for short periods of time. If you make it a lifestyle insulin sensitivity will be a problem. I fasted with my diet for 2 years and looked absolutely shredded and the last 2 years I’ve been fixing my metabolism lol. Fasting is a great tool but if you overdo it you will crash, hard.
Care to elaborate?

Does it make you hyper insulin sensitive or insulin resistant? I'd be inclined to believe it's the former, given your insulin levels are mellow throughout the day.

How did you transition back to normal eating? Like I mentioned previously, I felt so sluggish eating several meals a day.
 
Care to elaborate?

Does it make you hyper insulin sensitive or insulin resistant? I'd be inclined to believe it's the former, given your insulin levels are mellow throughout the day.

How did you transition back to normal eating? Like I mentioned previously, I felt so sluggish eating several meals a day.
It puts your body in a chronic state of stress. Mind you I did longer fasts as well. But eventually your body starts to hold onto fat and you become insulin resistant as a defense mechanism to hold onto weight.
 
What are people's thoughts on this?
I have tried this rather successfully recently. I generally go with 8 hour window for food intake/16 hours no food +/- 2 hours on a given day.
Seems to be one of the easier programs for me to follow.
I am just wondering if this can negatively impact muscle building.
I already have decent size so I am not trying to pack on a ton of muscle. At this point, I try to at least keep the muscle I have and cut the extra fat.
Why not just do what bodybuilders have been doing for decades and do a contest prep?

For maximum muscle size while lean, IF is not what any of them do. For one thing it is difficult to get enough protein without many meals, which requires more than 7-8 hours of feeding window.

High protein diets are better for cutting - that is, better body composition results.

Since you already have decent size you probably want more like 300 grams of protein. That's 6 meals if you eat 50 grams per . . . not really possible in 8 hours.

So, for best results, I am going to vote no.

If you are not looking for "best," then I am sure it works just fine, but most of us want to optimize the way we look, so much so that we risk the illegal drug trade to do it, so . . .
 
This is very goal specific. IF is an amazing hack for me when I'm cutting, I have mates that will argue with me until they are blue, but these guys are leaner by nature kind of guys.
For my body type, bigger, easy to pack on muscle, much harder to lose fat, IF has been a game changer.
I lift in the morning fasted a few days a week as well and for me has really boosted me to the next level over the past few years.
I am also just an every day Joe and not a competing BB, although when I was younger and aspiring to be I think I would have greatly benefited from off season IF'ing
 
This is very goal specific. IF is an amazing hack for me when I'm cutting, I have mates that will argue with me until they are blue, but these guys are leaner by nature kind of guys.
For my body type, bigger, easy to pack on muscle, much harder to lose fat, IF has been a game changer.
I lift in the morning fasted a few days a week as well and for me has really boosted me to the next level over the past few years.
I am also just an every day Joe and not a competing BB, although when I was younger and aspiring to be I think I would have greatly benefited from off season IF'ing
Fasting of any kind offers no benefit over a caloric restricted diet. You lost weight because you ate less not some kind of “hack”
 
It puts your body in a chronic state of stress. Mind you I did longer fasts as well. But eventually your body starts to hold onto fat and you become insulin resistant as a defense mechanism to hold onto weight.
this unfortunatel.
i was the biggest fan of fasting, used 20/4 for over 3 years straight, almost no exceptions.
but what you say is true. I would like to hear it isnt because i love big ass meals but fasting is only good for short periods of time.. nowadays, i do 2-3 20 hour fasts per week..
 
various studies have shown IF to be more or less just a different way to limit caloric intake and that’s why it “works” for people. If IF fits your schedule and you can support that scheme with competent diet choices for muscle growth and/or fat loss, it will work. Pretty much just the same as any of diet scheme standardized for the same macros/cals.

I will say that if unrestricted growth is your goal, IF is probably not the way. You simply won’t be able to ingest, digest, and process all the macros and cals needed for continued growth, say over a 16 week cycle, as caloric needs increase, in a 4-8hr window.
 
I did IF for a long while and really didn't notice much of a difference. It's definitely not good for bulking because it's difficult to eat and digest enough protein in an 8 hour window and you want to have enough glycogen in your muscles to support growth. You could do a 14/10 window instead, that a 10 hour feeding window would give enough time for a meal every 2 hours or so.

For cutting, I also don't see the benefit. Cutting happens because of a negative CICO balance. Furthermore, you want to consume extra protein while cutting to prevent the loss of lean muscle.

I found eating carbs not to be a problem while doing IF at all. By default I eat almost all complex carbs though. I don't fuck with candy or white bread and shit like that.

Personally, I think there are other health reasons to do IF. However, fat loss or body composition don't seem to be primary benefits to it. It appears the fat loss outcome for IF is simply because people struggle to eat as much calories in an 8 hour window as they do in a non-restricted eating window.

I am aware IF upregulates various metabolic pathways in the body. I know there are benefits, I just don't know that it is the best way to get results in bodybuilding and certainly not in powerlifting.

Fasting of any kind offers no benefit over a caloric restricted diet. You lost weight because you ate less not some kind of “hack”

Some research suggests that for the same deficit under normal eating window vs an IF schedule, subjects will see greater fat loss with the same deficit+IF. I don't think this is really determined to be true or not yet, the research is still out. Take it with a grain or two of salt.

I will say, I believe this depends on the individual undergoing the intervention. If someone is obese, has diabetes, fatty liver disease, or some other health issues, then fasting does seem to have the capacity to help the subject, sometimes well beyond that of just calorie restriction/weight loss. The upregulation of AMPK and "cellular cleanup" mechanisms is a HUGE benefit to anyone who is overweight.

My personal approach is to "cycle" fasting. Like I said, I used to do daily 16-8. Honestly, I liked it while I was doing it. I did not notice any drastic benefits, but then again I am already lean. The problem was then I was trying to cram 3000+ calories and 200-250 grams of protein into 8 measly hours. It just wasn't realistic. I might be able to do that now that I work from home, but when I was in an office I couldn't just whip out 5 eggs, spinach, tomatoes, and quinoa and eat in front of everyone LOL.

What really annoys me though is "how hot" IF is right now. It causes all this fucking horrible misinformation to be spread about, basically entirely via social media. People making bullshit videos and blog posts and crap about the benefits of fasting that are based off of someone else's blog post which is based off of someone else's instagram post which is very, very, very loosely based off of like a single study that they interpreted incorrectly and drew incorrect/"reaching" conclusions from. Or someone read a cooky guy's blog like Ben Greenfield and decided to rip off his content and make their own video or podcast episode for clicks and proft. The same goes for the fucking Keto diet, veganism, paleo/ancestral diet, etc., etc..it is just the same bullshit circulating over and over, and the scientifically and health-illiterate public believes it all. /end mini rant

Regardless, I plan to do IF again during this summer. I am in better shape now than the last time I tried it. Probably about 15 lbs more muscle and 8 lbs less fat, so a drastic difference. I'll only do it while doing maintenance diets--not cutting or bulking for the reasons I listed above.
 
ive been doing it since 2016. unless on a blast.
usually lunch 12:45pm and window closes at 9:00pm
15hrs and some between. It works
 
ive been doing it since 2016. unless on a blast.
usually lunch 12:45pm and window closes at 9:00pm
15hrs and some between. It works
All diets work and if you’re consistent and eat the correct amount calories to support your goal. I’m not against IF I just don’t think it’s anything magical or special. The important thing is sustainability. It’s great that you found something that you can adhere to long term.
 
Fasting of any kind offers no benefit over a caloric restricted diet. You lost weight because you ate less not some kind of “hack”
Food timing is an amazing "hack" it can Increase nutrient absorption and emptying your gut occasionally has numerous scientifically backed benefits in overall health. This isn't all about weight loss and muscle gain, some of us want to live another 40
 
Great results on 16/8 but you need much water because of the dehydration levels. You will first loose a lots of Water and then you detoxify your liver and burn fat.

Check also for Alternate and Long Term Fasting!
 
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