tengtren
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i think I saw those pics too, both vgs??? Man, I might not try it lol. Whose was it? You think bad brew or it's the actual compound
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Was waiting for you to show up good buddy. Let’s here your thoughts on prep cycles.
Morefyah
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Yes both one was worse then the other.
This is where the debate comes in. I would say 90% of the write ups on DHB were incomplete because the people tapped out because of the pip. The other five percent say they have used it at 200mg/ml with little pip. These are the people with fake gear or EQ. The other 5% brewed there own claim they got it to hold with no super solvents and experienced no pip. Well somebody’s lying? DHB has been available for a long time it use to be an expensive raw now its as cheap as test. I will never be convinced until I see mass spec testing on the raws or even better some testing of finished oils on anabolic lab.
I still have my DHB it’s 125mg/ml still in a crashed state just like I received it.
tengtren
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All my preps have been simple, done them myself. longs cut 6 weeks out, however far out I start it's been Test Deca eq and an oral in and out. 6 Weeks out drop Deca and eq and switch to prop tren and mast, drop test 2 weeks out and used like 12.5mg Aromasin ed last week
Never have used Clem t3 or the likes
tengtren
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didnt jump right into it because growing is really my forte, I was waiting to see some of you guys ideas
yeah, guess I'll stick with reg bold
ForeverSmall
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I'd describe it the same. Never more focused.
So looks like I may have my prep coach run the cycle after all. The gear isn’t the golden ticket anyways, and me not having to worry about it is still an attractive position to be in.
Tentatively
Test C - (switches to Prop) 500-750
EQ - 600-800
Tren A - 350+ (Last 6-8 weeks)
Mast P - 350+ (Last 6-8 weeks)
Winstrol - 20mg ramped
Proviron - 40mg ramped
Halo (if needed) - unknown, this is new to me
Anti-E - currently says adex but I prefer aromasin until it’s time to dip E down near the show, then add arimidex
Doses undecided, but my guesses are above. So given this, maybe i switch the focus here to another topic.
There is a chance, pending some discussion with people I trust, that I’m not where I need to be at the end of this current blast and a decision will need to be made. The direction there is either A) live with it and come in mid-range of LHW on my aesthetics, posing, and conditioning B) kill myself to make MW (or maybe classic physique at that point depending on the weight limits and me hoping I’m over 5’7 lol) or C) hit an 8 week short ester blast to top off my weight needed for LHW (ideally, I guess).
Let’s discuss C.
The cycle would probably be precedeed by a semi-aggressive calorie drop in my cruise to set me up for upping calls aggressively on cycle. Maybe, maybe not.
My thoughts on the cycle are as follows:
Test Cyp - carried through from the cruise, probably kept higher than normal, let’s say 250ish
Test Prop - added on the Cyp at 300-500mg
DHB - first time, love the profile, source seems to be keeping people happy with it, let’s give it a shot, 350-500mg
NPP - 350-500mg
Oral - (Superdrol or Anadrol) last 4 weeks
gH would be carried through at 3iu
Would consider adding a bit more gH and some insulin with some @Wunderpus guidance, pending where I am.
Dosages are still pretty low (1750mg max before the oral). Will entirely depend on my bloodwork at the conclusion of this current blast and the decision I come to regarding the target for nationals.
Thoughts on this greatly appreciated.
Tentatively
Test C - (switches to Prop) 500-750
EQ - 600-800
Tren A - 350+ (Last 6-8 weeks)
Mast P - 350+ (Last 6-8 weeks)
Winstrol - 20mg ramped
Proviron - 40mg ramped
Halo (if needed) - unknown, this is new to me
Anti-E - currently says adex but I prefer aromasin until it’s time to dip E down near the show, then add arimidex
Doses undecided, but my guesses are above. So given this, maybe i switch the focus here to another topic.
There is a chance, pending some discussion with people I trust, that I’m not where I need to be at the end of this current blast and a decision will need to be made. The direction there is either A) live with it and come in mid-range of LHW on my aesthetics, posing, and conditioning B) kill myself to make MW (or maybe classic physique at that point depending on the weight limits and me hoping I’m over 5’7 lol) or C) hit an 8 week short ester blast to top off my weight needed for LHW (ideally, I guess).
Let’s discuss C.
The cycle would probably be precedeed by a semi-aggressive calorie drop in my cruise to set me up for upping calls aggressively on cycle. Maybe, maybe not.
My thoughts on the cycle are as follows:
Test Cyp - carried through from the cruise, probably kept higher than normal, let’s say 250ish
Test Prop - added on the Cyp at 300-500mg
DHB - first time, love the profile, source seems to be keeping people happy with it, let’s give it a shot, 350-500mg
NPP - 350-500mg
Oral - (Superdrol or Anadrol) last 4 weeks
gH would be carried through at 3iu
Would consider adding a bit more gH and some insulin with some @Wunderpus guidance, pending where I am.
Dosages are still pretty low (1750mg max before the oral). Will entirely depend on my bloodwork at the conclusion of this current blast and the decision I come to regarding the target for nationals.
Thoughts on this greatly appreciated.
The EQ confuses me. How close into the show is EQ planned? I would want all aromatizing compounds, minus test, to be out as contest approaches. EQ tends to bloat folks when they eat carbs more than just a standard carb intake would, not sure why... Just anecdotal experience.
Have to confirm, this was just a preliminary talk with him. I’ll provide more info as it carries on.
Keep in mind the time frame here is 20 weeks +. A qualifier (which we’d probably not change a damn thing for as far as gear goes and probably be barely
In to the heavier stuff and orals) + a brief recovery period (4 weeks?) then a national show.
As far as the compound specifically, I’ve found literally nothing bloats me. Dbol, Deca, EQ. There’s no way he knows this, just my own experience.
Keep in mind the time frame here is 20 weeks +. A qualifier (which we’d probably not change a damn thing for as far as gear goes and probably be barely
In to the heavier stuff and orals) + a brief recovery period (4 weeks?) then a national show.
As far as the compound specifically, I’ve found literally nothing bloats me. Dbol, Deca, EQ. There’s no way he knows this, just my own experience.
If it was me, I'd rather commit to the LHW division rather than lose muscle to make MW again. You're just too tall for MW at that level.
You have a complete build so make your jump into LHW and see where you stack up. You may not need to max out the weight to be successful. If don't get your card but you place well the judges will actually "see you" and be looking for you next year when you come back even bigger and more complete.
I don't see any GH in your prep. Is that an over sight or are you not planning to utilize it?
You have a complete build so make your jump into LHW and see where you stack up. You may not need to max out the weight to be successful. If don't get your card but you place well the judges will actually "see you" and be looking for you next year when you come back even bigger and more complete.
I don't see any GH in your prep. Is that an over sight or are you not planning to utilize it?
Sorry, yes. gH planned to be in, the amount depends on my budget at the time. 3iu min like I’m doing now (and saw nice results with). Wouldn’t mind the ability to go to 6 split to more than one dose.
I agree on the sacrificing muscle. All depends on my weight and body comp, i guess. FFS Derek Lunsford dropped like 12–14lbs overnight to make LHW last year (two years ago I guess). I’ve never even toed the line with that sort of extreme water loss; probably highly individual. Agree that I’m just a tad too tall for MW unless the class shows up shitty (this years Nats looked weak).
At the end of the day, will have to be sure that my comfort aligns with my coach’s as far as what to chase.
This is a little generic but it's pretty close to my actual prep protocol.
WEEK 1-4:
1) 1000mg Testosterone blend-sustanon (500mg twice per week)
2) 600mg Methenolone enanthate (300mg twice per week)
3) 400mg Parabolan (trenbolone hexa-200mg twice per week)
4) hGH 4iu AM 30′ before breakfast
5) 1000mg metformin with breakfast
6) 12.5μg T3 & 12.5μg T4 with breakfast
7) 25mg ephedrine HCL-200mg caffeine-500mg aspirin preworkout
8) 20μg clenbuterol HCL with breakfast & 20μg with lunch
9) 1mg anastrozole ED
10) 50mg mesterolone with breakfast & 50mg preworkout
Week 1-4 Notes: Ιn the cutting cycle, I start with the testosterone blend (sustanon), since the propionate ester enters into the system rapidly from the first days. Methenolone enanthate (primobolan) is a relatively weak, but non toxic injectable androgen, with a slow ester. Parabolan is a faster version of trenbolone enanthate, administrated twice per week. HGH is used without the combination of insulin. The use of metformin (glucophage) ensures that there is no glycemia, as a result of somatropin use. The combination of the thyroid hormones will improve fat burning process. However, decreasing the overall dosage will ensure there is no stress to myocardium and muscle wasting. Triodothyronone (T3) is more potent, but with a shorter half life. On the contrary, thyroxine (T4) is weaker, with prolonged half life, but it is essential for proper thyroid function. The combination of sympatheticomimetics (ephedrine, clenbuterol HCL) with adrenergic action, will ensure thermogenesis, supressed appetite, fat burning and high intensity workouts. The combination of anastrozole (arimidex) along with mesterolone (proviron) on a daily basis, will ensure that aromatization is low, thus definition is enhanced.
WEEK 5-8:
1) 800mg testosterone propionate EOD (200mg four times per week)
2) 400mg drostanolone propionate EOD (100mg four times per week)
3) 400mg trenbolone acetate EOD (100mg four times per week)
4) hGH 4iu AM 30′ before breakfast
5) 1000mg metformin with breakfast
6) 12.5μg T3 & 12.5μg T4 with breakfast
7) 25mg ephedrine HCL-200mg caffeine-500mg aspirin preworkout
8) 20μg clenbuterol HCL with breakfast & 20μg with lunch plus 1mg ketotifen
9) 2.5mg letrozole ED
10) 50mg mesterolone with breakfast & 50mg preworkout
Week 5-8 Notes: The cycle proceeds with the faster version of testosterone (propionate). In this phase, I add the synthetic injectable version of DHT, drostanolone propionate, that also resembles the fast acting testosterone version. Masteron is also antiestrogenic activity, apart from its androgenic. Therefore, aromatization is kept low. Both AAS are administrated every other day. In this phase I also add the fast version of trenbolone, administrated on every other day. As a result, all three injectable oil solutions can get into the same syringe, which is more convenient. The rest of the cycle follows as the previous weeks schedule. The only change involves the aromatase inhibitor. I add letrozole, which is a step further in terms of potency.
WEEK 9-10:
1) 600mg testosterone suspension ED (100mg MON-SAT)
2) 400mg drostanolone propionate EOD (100mg four times per week)
3) 400mg trenbolone acetate EOD (100mg four times per week)
4) 300mg stanozolol ED (50mg MON-SAT)
5) hGH 4iu AM 30′ before breakfast
6) 1000mg metformin with breakfast
7) 12.5μg T3 & 12.5μg T4 with breakfast
8) 25mg ephedrine HCL-200mg caffeine-500mg aspirin preworkout
9) 20μg clenbuterol HCL with breakfast & 20μg with lunch plus 1mg ketotifen
10.) 25 mg exemestane ED
Week 9-10 Notes: This is the moment where the fastest version of testosterone enters into the game. Water based suspension is used on a daily basis, preferably pre-workout, just before leaving home on the way to the gym. Masteron will ensure there is no aromatization, plus extra androgenicity, making the body to look harder and ripped. Injectable stanozolol enters the game as well, a very strong anabolic agent. It could be easily mixed in one syringe together with testosterone suspension. Of course it requires a daily administration, preferably prior to the gym. The rest of the cycle follows, as the previous weeks. The only addition is ketotifen, a beta 2 agonist that boosts clenbuterol results. B2 adrenergic receptors usually do not respond after a couple of days, in case there is no change in dosage. In order to avoid an overdose, the addition of ketotifen will ensure effectiveness of clenbuterol.
WEEK 11-12:
1) 600mg drostanolone propionate EOD (100mg MON-SAT)
2) 400mg trenbolone acetate EOD (100mg four times per week)
3) 50mg fluoxymesterone ED (10mg with breakfast,10mg with lunch,20mg preworkout sublingualy,10mg with dinner)
4) 50mg stanozolol ED (10mg with breakfast,10mg with lunch,20mg preworkout sublingualy,10mg with dinner)
5) 50mg oxandrolone ED (10mg with breakfast,10mg with lunch,20mg preworkout sublingualy,10mg with dinner)
6) 100mg mesterolone ED (25mg with breakfast,50mg preworkout,25mg with dinner)
7) 25mg exemestane ED
8) 25mg ephedrine HCL-200mg caffeine-500mg aspirin preworkout
9) 20μg clenbuterol HCL with breakfast & 20μg with lunch plus 1mg ketotifen
Week 11-12 Notes: The final two weeks before the show we quit testosterone and we keep the drugs that do not aromatize. Somatropin clears the game, due to water retention and possible edema. Drostanolone (masteron), trenbolone, stanozolol per os (winstrol), oxandrolone (anavar), mesterolone (proviron) and fluoxymesterone (halotestin), will ensure there is water retention and estrogenic activity. The addition of exemestane, a suicidal aromatase inhibitor, will crush estrogens, leaving no possibility of a smooth physique. CNS stimulants remain, until the last days of carb depletion. Finally diuretics (spironolactone-furosemide) shall be used with moderation and extra caution, to give the shredded and dry look.
WEEK 1-4:
1) 1000mg Testosterone blend-sustanon (500mg twice per week)
2) 600mg Methenolone enanthate (300mg twice per week)
3) 400mg Parabolan (trenbolone hexa-200mg twice per week)
4) hGH 4iu AM 30′ before breakfast
5) 1000mg metformin with breakfast
6) 12.5μg T3 & 12.5μg T4 with breakfast
7) 25mg ephedrine HCL-200mg caffeine-500mg aspirin preworkout
8) 20μg clenbuterol HCL with breakfast & 20μg with lunch
9) 1mg anastrozole ED
10) 50mg mesterolone with breakfast & 50mg preworkout
Week 1-4 Notes: Ιn the cutting cycle, I start with the testosterone blend (sustanon), since the propionate ester enters into the system rapidly from the first days. Methenolone enanthate (primobolan) is a relatively weak, but non toxic injectable androgen, with a slow ester. Parabolan is a faster version of trenbolone enanthate, administrated twice per week. HGH is used without the combination of insulin. The use of metformin (glucophage) ensures that there is no glycemia, as a result of somatropin use. The combination of the thyroid hormones will improve fat burning process. However, decreasing the overall dosage will ensure there is no stress to myocardium and muscle wasting. Triodothyronone (T3) is more potent, but with a shorter half life. On the contrary, thyroxine (T4) is weaker, with prolonged half life, but it is essential for proper thyroid function. The combination of sympatheticomimetics (ephedrine, clenbuterol HCL) with adrenergic action, will ensure thermogenesis, supressed appetite, fat burning and high intensity workouts. The combination of anastrozole (arimidex) along with mesterolone (proviron) on a daily basis, will ensure that aromatization is low, thus definition is enhanced.
WEEK 5-8:
1) 800mg testosterone propionate EOD (200mg four times per week)
2) 400mg drostanolone propionate EOD (100mg four times per week)
3) 400mg trenbolone acetate EOD (100mg four times per week)
4) hGH 4iu AM 30′ before breakfast
5) 1000mg metformin with breakfast
6) 12.5μg T3 & 12.5μg T4 with breakfast
7) 25mg ephedrine HCL-200mg caffeine-500mg aspirin preworkout
8) 20μg clenbuterol HCL with breakfast & 20μg with lunch plus 1mg ketotifen
9) 2.5mg letrozole ED
10) 50mg mesterolone with breakfast & 50mg preworkout
Week 5-8 Notes: The cycle proceeds with the faster version of testosterone (propionate). In this phase, I add the synthetic injectable version of DHT, drostanolone propionate, that also resembles the fast acting testosterone version. Masteron is also antiestrogenic activity, apart from its androgenic. Therefore, aromatization is kept low. Both AAS are administrated every other day. In this phase I also add the fast version of trenbolone, administrated on every other day. As a result, all three injectable oil solutions can get into the same syringe, which is more convenient. The rest of the cycle follows as the previous weeks schedule. The only change involves the aromatase inhibitor. I add letrozole, which is a step further in terms of potency.
WEEK 9-10:
1) 600mg testosterone suspension ED (100mg MON-SAT)
2) 400mg drostanolone propionate EOD (100mg four times per week)
3) 400mg trenbolone acetate EOD (100mg four times per week)
4) 300mg stanozolol ED (50mg MON-SAT)
5) hGH 4iu AM 30′ before breakfast
6) 1000mg metformin with breakfast
7) 12.5μg T3 & 12.5μg T4 with breakfast
8) 25mg ephedrine HCL-200mg caffeine-500mg aspirin preworkout
9) 20μg clenbuterol HCL with breakfast & 20μg with lunch plus 1mg ketotifen
10.) 25 mg exemestane ED
Week 9-10 Notes: This is the moment where the fastest version of testosterone enters into the game. Water based suspension is used on a daily basis, preferably pre-workout, just before leaving home on the way to the gym. Masteron will ensure there is no aromatization, plus extra androgenicity, making the body to look harder and ripped. Injectable stanozolol enters the game as well, a very strong anabolic agent. It could be easily mixed in one syringe together with testosterone suspension. Of course it requires a daily administration, preferably prior to the gym. The rest of the cycle follows, as the previous weeks. The only addition is ketotifen, a beta 2 agonist that boosts clenbuterol results. B2 adrenergic receptors usually do not respond after a couple of days, in case there is no change in dosage. In order to avoid an overdose, the addition of ketotifen will ensure effectiveness of clenbuterol.
WEEK 11-12:
1) 600mg drostanolone propionate EOD (100mg MON-SAT)
2) 400mg trenbolone acetate EOD (100mg four times per week)
3) 50mg fluoxymesterone ED (10mg with breakfast,10mg with lunch,20mg preworkout sublingualy,10mg with dinner)
4) 50mg stanozolol ED (10mg with breakfast,10mg with lunch,20mg preworkout sublingualy,10mg with dinner)
5) 50mg oxandrolone ED (10mg with breakfast,10mg with lunch,20mg preworkout sublingualy,10mg with dinner)
6) 100mg mesterolone ED (25mg with breakfast,50mg preworkout,25mg with dinner)
7) 25mg exemestane ED
8) 25mg ephedrine HCL-200mg caffeine-500mg aspirin preworkout
9) 20μg clenbuterol HCL with breakfast & 20μg with lunch plus 1mg ketotifen
Week 11-12 Notes: The final two weeks before the show we quit testosterone and we keep the drugs that do not aromatize. Somatropin clears the game, due to water retention and possible edema. Drostanolone (masteron), trenbolone, stanozolol per os (winstrol), oxandrolone (anavar), mesterolone (proviron) and fluoxymesterone (halotestin), will ensure there is water retention and estrogenic activity. The addition of exemestane, a suicidal aromatase inhibitor, will crush estrogens, leaving no possibility of a smooth physique. CNS stimulants remain, until the last days of carb depletion. Finally diuretics (spironolactone-furosemide) shall be used with moderation and extra caution, to give the shredded and dry look.
That’s a whole new world; haven’t used half that stuff.
tengtren
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you know you want to it's you destiny 
Some of it's overkill and definitely not needed if you've had a productive off season and not added too much bf.
Most of the stuff is on your list or will probably be once your coach is done programming the protocol. Mast, Winny, Test prop, Sust, Tren, Var, halo ect...
The GH, clen and T3 allow less cardio so you keep size and fullness during prep. I'm sure you've got a good coach but the first prep with any coach is a coin toss even if it's Chris Aceto. They still have to figure out what works for you.
Here's a prep that @mands posted a few years ago. I believe the guy was a top tier National competitor that was close to getting his card. I'm sure @mands can elaborate more. either way, this is the type of mentality you're up against and at that level the PEDS do make a difference because you're splitting hairs to pick a winner at times.
Test cyp. 750mg a week
Deca 600mg a week(He loves deca)
tren E 400mg a week
EQ 900mg a week
Proviron 100mg a day
Dbol 25mg a day first 8 weeks
GH 6 iu's a day
arimidex .5mg EOD
10-8 weeks out
Test prop 500mg a week
NPP 600 mg a week
Mast P 100mg ED
Tren A 150mg ED
Proviron 100mg ED
anavar 60mg ED
GH 4 iu's ED
t4 200 mcg ED
Arimidex .75mg EOD
6-4 weeks out
Tren A 100mg ED
Mast P 100mg ED
Winny 50mg ED
Anavar 40mg ED
Halo 20mg ED
anadrol 50mg ED
GH 4 iu's ED
clen/t3 60-80 mcg's/25mcg's
1 week out
Winny 50mg ED
Anavar 40mg ED
Halo 25 mg ED
Anadrol 50mg ED
Clen/t3 80mcg's/50mcg's
Arimidex 1mg ED
100%. First prep is rarely on the dot correct. But I’m also making sure the actual dieting side of this is as easy as possible; favorable bf%, cranking metabolism, plenty of carbs to pull. Lots of headroom on dosages and compounds I’ve never used. We’ll see. He also has the benefit of it actually being 2 shows with a period in between long enough to make decent adjustments.
I would’ve love to have stayed where I was for a coach but he’s working on a business and competing himself. Same for the IFBB pro that straightened out my offseason. I don’t want to be at risk for waiting on answers back, not being a priority, etc as he chases an O qual/competes there.
Nothing crazy above. I’m betting that individual was both bigger than me and further along in the total mgs per cycle category. I’m willing to go there if needed, but I’d rather take the next step than the next 6 steps on the drug side of things.
I would’ve love to have stayed where I was for a coach but he’s working on a business and competing himself. Same for the IFBB pro that straightened out my offseason. I don’t want to be at risk for waiting on answers back, not being a priority, etc as he chases an O qual/competes there.
Nothing crazy above. I’m betting that individual was both bigger than me and further along in the total mgs per cycle category. I’m willing to go there if needed, but I’d rather take the next step than the next 6 steps on the drug side of things.
I hear you man. Less can be more if done correctly. You appear to have it covered very well and you're doing the work ahead of time to allow for less "need" to abuse the PEDS to achieve the desired look.
More or less, you will notice a pattern in them all. Remove long esters and aromatizing compounds 6 weeks out, minus some test... Run tren and mast + orals into show (assuming you can avoid knots, that looks horrendous on stage, ask Dexter).
Here is what Jordan Peters ran a few weeks out, for more insight:
700 test prop, tren ace, mast p / week
15mg halo , 35mg Winnie , 40mg anavar all split am and pm (slowly ramp up 5mg / week into show)
adex at 1mg and a quarter / day this week.
Inject carnnitine ( synthetek) 4ml post workout
Clen 120mcg/day , 2mg ketotifen pre bed
T3 31.25 t4 50/ day
Gh 7iu/ day
Cardarine at 20mg/day pre wo
The only other addition to come is proviron
700 test prop, tren ace, mast p / week
15mg halo , 35mg Winnie , 40mg anavar all split am and pm (slowly ramp up 5mg / week into show)
adex at 1mg and a quarter / day this week.
Inject carnnitine ( synthetek) 4ml post workout
Clen 120mcg/day , 2mg ketotifen pre bed
T3 31.25 t4 50/ day
Gh 7iu/ day
Cardarine at 20mg/day pre wo
The only other addition to come is proviron
tengtren
New Member
Ketotifen for sleep? Appetite ? Both?
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