Pls help explain swelling/water retention on PrimoE, TestC, Var, Deca & HGH

[TRT@40]

Yesterday after wearing tight gym socks for about 4 hours, I noticed some water retention/swelling in the ankles. I am near the end of week 4 of 20 week cycle with:

650mg/wk PrimoE (Ph*rm*source)
400mg/wk TestC (Alpha)
200mg/wk Deca (Alpha); only for masking joint pain
40mg/day Var (Balkan)
2iu/day HGH (Pfizer Geno); general body healing
0.5mg/eod anastrozole
300iu/eod HCG (to keep testes working since another baby is desired)

I have been on Pfizer Geno from TP for the past 5 months and I did not notice any water retention/swelling in the ankles before. So I don’t think it is HGH. I trust Balkan Var from TP to Var and not anything else. I have been using TestE for TRT and a prior cycle and did not experience this issue before. I doubt switching to TestC would be the culprit. I know Deca can cause this. PrimoE (Pharma* line) has been tested by anyone so I don’t know if it is something else. I do feel out of breath after going up a flight of stairs. Blood pressure is around 145/90 maximum thru the day. I will be going for bloodwork tomorrow morning.

Any ideas as to what you fellas think is the source of water retention/swelling? How to go about taking care of it?

Appreciate any helpful inputs you can provide!

Edit:
41 yrs young, 5 foot11 inches, 230lbs, train 6 days/wk

Supplements:
B-Complex
Multiminerals
Fish Oils
DHEA
Evening Primrose Oil
CoQ-10
Milk Thistle
Collagen Peptides
Taurine
DIM+I3C
Vita D
Inositol+Choline

 

[Morefyah]

Yesterday after wearing tight gym socks for about 4 hours, I noticed some water retention/swelling in the ankles. I am near the end of week 4 of 20 week cycle with:

650mg/wk PrimoE (Ph*rm*source)
400mg/wk TestC (Alpha)
200mg/wk Deca (Alpha); only for masking joint pain
40mg/day Var (Balkan)
2iu/day HGH (Pfizer Geno); general body healing
0.5mg/eod anastrozole
300iu/eod HCG (to keep testes working since another baby is desired)

I have been on Pfizer Geno from TP for the past 5 months and I did not notice any water retention/swelling in the ankles before. So I don’t think it is HGH. I trust Balkan Var from TP to Var and not anything else. I have been using TestE for TRT and a prior cycle and did not experience this issue before. I doubt switching to TestC would be the culprit. I know Deca can cause this. PrimoE (Pharma* line) has been tested by anyone so I don’t know if it is something else. I do feel out of breath after going up a flight of stairs. Blood pressure is around 145/90 maximum thru the day. I will be going for bloodwork tomorrow morning.

Any ideas as to what you fellas think is the source of water retention/swelling? How to go about taking care of it?

Appreciate any helpful inputs you can provide!

Edit:
41 yrs young, 5 foot11 inches, 230lbs, train 6 days/wk

Supplements:
B-Complex
Multiminerals
Fish Oils
DHEA
Evening Primrose Oil
CoQ-10
Milk Thistle
Collagen Peptides
Taurine
DIM+I3C
Vita D
Inositol+Choline

I think you need more stuff.
I only count 19 compounds.

 

[TRT@40]

Hi @Morefyah,

I think you need more stuff.
I only count 19 compounds.

12 out 19 are under the supplements category to help with side effects of 5 real compounds. Without deca, my elbow was limiting me to anything useful in the gym. I guess i could completely stop it as it is only for joint pain relief (temporary). will test dropping deca and see if HGH has brought any improvements in joints area.
what are your serious thoughts on the issue or the amount of compounds?
Thanks...

 

[Morefyah]

Hi @Morefyah,

12 out 19 are under the supplements category to help with side effects of 5 real compounds. Without deca, my elbow was limiting me to anything useful in the gym. I guess i could completely stop it as it is only for joint pain relief (temporary). will test dropping deca and see if HGH has brought any improvements in joints area.
what are your serious thoughts on the issue or the amount of compounds?
Thanks...

I was just playing that’s quite cycle!
I’m running, Masteron, Tren, NPP, Test E, Test -1 Cyp, and Hgh. I’m 45 and have many ailments as well. Just seems like your overdoing it a bit with the supplements and peptides. You think you need all that shit but more then likely don’t. Also your running a lot of HCG which raises estrogen significantly. Lol, Don’t add anything else for the time being and see if it gets better own it’s own. Shit bro I dont know anything about peptides but that could be the cause but it’s going to be nearly impossible to tell because you taking so many different things.

 

[Evom1]

You've got several things there that could cause water retention..

Whats diet look like? What's your sodium intake? Supplementing potassium? Water intake? Sleep?

 

[picholas]

Yesterday after wearing tight gym socks for about 4 hours, I noticed some water retention/swelling in the ankles. I am near the end of week 4 of 20 week cycle with:

650mg/wk PrimoE (Ph*rm*source)
400mg/wk TestC (Alpha)
200mg/wk Deca (Alpha); only for masking joint pain
40mg/day Var (Balkan)
2iu/day HGH (Pfizer Geno); general body healing
0.5mg/eod anastrozole
300iu/eod HCG (to keep testes working since another baby is desired)

I have been on Pfizer Geno from TP for the past 5 months and I did not notice any water retention/swelling in the ankles before. So I don’t think it is HGH. I trust Balkan Var from TP to Var and not anything else. I have been using TestE for TRT and a prior cycle and did not experience this issue before. I doubt switching to TestC would be the culprit. I know Deca can cause this. PrimoE (Pharma* line) has been tested by anyone so I don’t know if it is something else. I do feel out of breath after going up a flight of stairs. Blood pressure is around 145/90 maximum thru the day. I will be going for bloodwork tomorrow morning.

Any ideas as to what you fellas think is the source of water retention/swelling? How to go about taking care of it?

Appreciate any helpful inputs you can provide!

Edit:
41 yrs young, 5 foot11 inches, 230lbs, train 6 days/wk

Supplements:
B-Complex
Multiminerals
Fish Oils
DHEA
Evening Primrose Oil
CoQ-10
Milk Thistle
Collagen Peptides
Taurine
DIM+I3C
Vita D
Inositol+Choline

Dumbass why did you list the brand of the products, the compounds are the compounds no one gives a fuck where you got it from.

Shill.

The source of water retention is your own bloated sense of self worth and importance, it's amazing how 41 years of experience and life has left you this dumb. Or maybe all that extra estrogen from that insane hCG you are running...

 

[Inquiring Mind]

I was gonna be sarcastic and sugest you didn’t have enough compounds, but your doses don’t exactly look reckless.

Are you confident with you deca supplier that is really deca and not just more Test being to your exciting Test E?

Same question regarding your Primo?

I’m all for preventative measures, but I have to say, those are just way too many sups to be taking all at once. You can and probably should cycle sups as well.

Swolen feet may be a sign of edema, where one of you orgerns are being taxed and thereby the lymphatic system cannot effective flush your body clean and toxins tend to pool in area such as feet.

That’s what concerned me that you may be over stressing your liver, sups aside, even wet anabolics stress the liver indirectly.

You should not delay getting some bloods drawn.

Good luck man, and let us know what you discover.

 

[Steve84]

Yesterday after wearing tight gym socks for about 4 hours, I noticed some water retention/swelling in the ankles. I am near the end of week 4 of 20 week cycle with:

650mg/wk PrimoE (Ph*rm*source)
400mg/wk TestC (Alpha)
200mg/wk Deca (Alpha); only for masking joint pain
40mg/day Var (Balkan)
2iu/day HGH (Pfizer Geno); general body healing
0.5mg/eod anastrozole
300iu/eod HCG (to keep testes working since another baby is desired)

I have been on Pfizer Geno from TP for the past 5 months and I did not notice any water retention/swelling in the ankles before. So I don’t think it is HGH. I trust Balkan Var from TP to Var and not anything else. I have been using TestE for TRT and a prior cycle and did not experience this issue before. I doubt switching to TestC would be the culprit. I know Deca can cause this. PrimoE (Pharma* line) has been tested by anyone so I don’t know if it is something else. I do feel out of breath after going up a flight of stairs. Blood pressure is around 145/90 maximum thru the day. I will be going for bloodwork tomorrow morning.

Any ideas as to what you fellas think is the source of water retention/swelling? How to go about taking care of it?

Appreciate any helpful inputs you can provide!

Edit:
41 yrs young, 5 foot11 inches, 230lbs, train 6 days/wk

Supplements:
B-Complex
Multiminerals
Fish Oils
DHEA
Evening Primrose Oil
CoQ-10
Milk Thistle
Collagen Peptides
Taurine
DIM+I3C
Vita D
Inositol+Choline

Where is your AI..... You probably have too high of estrogen and your diet might be affecting you as well.
I'd say that might be a factor.

 

[Steve84]

Sorry, go buy an over the counter product like water dry....run for 1-2 weeks not strong.

Cut your hcg....

And make sure you diet is on point.

 

[brutus79]

I feel like I am being punked. You have half a dozen things you are injecting that cause water retention.... it might be- everything but the masteron.

 

[AnTabolic73]

Supplements:
B-Complex
Multiminerals
Fish Oils
DHEA
Evening Primrose Oil
CoQ-10
Milk Thistle
Collagen peptides
Taurine
DIM+I3C
Vita D
Inositol+Choline

I won't judge you on this one. I remember when I first started fitness, I used to walk around with this huge ass pill/vitamin holder. The weekly one's, but they're huge compared to the regular pill sized ones. So I pulled it out at a restaurant to take my supps, and my boy started cracking up saying it's like I'm walking around with a case of dominoes. It rattled around like one too.

 

[ironwill1951]

why are you being such a dick to this guy? he came here for some help and advice.

Dumbass why did you list the brand of the products, the compounds are the compounds no one gives a fuck where you got it from.

Shill.

The source of water retention is your own bloated sense of self worth and importance, it's amazing how 41 years of experience and life has left you this dumb. Or maybe all that extra estrogen from that insane hCG you are running...

 

[Inquiring Mind]

why are you being such a dick to this guy? he came here for some help and advice.

For real...even called him a shill...right off the bat. Hahaha

 

[AnTabolic73]

Dumbass why did you list the brand of the products, the compounds are the compounds no one gives a fuck where you got it from.

I'm guessing to rule out it being the wrong substance. Like if he ordered primo e from bathtub ugl and it's actually test or deca or something. That would maybe explain the water retention.

Just guessing.

 

[nattydread]

From whAt it looks like to me your estro is high from test/Deca. And maybe the Primo if it’s fake. Real Primo never made me hold water. Any chance you AI is underdosed or fake? In the last few days was anyone of the compounds you taking added or did you start all at same time.
I’m just trying to see what can be the problem.

 

[TRT@40]

I was just playing that’s quite cycle!
I’m running, Masteron, Tren, NPP, Test E, Test -1 Cyp, and Hgh. I’m 45 and have many ailments as well. Just seems like your overdoing it a bit with the supplements and peptides. You think you need all that shit but more then likely don’t. Also your running a lot of HCG which raises estrogen significantly. Lol, Don’t add anything else for the time being and see if it gets better own it’s own. Shit bro I dont know anything about peptides but that could be the cause but it’s going to be nearly impossible to tell because you taking so many different things.

I am on TRT prescription for TestE, HCG and Anastrozole. HCG is added as we are preparing for another baby in a few months time. Given that It takes about 90 days for sperm to mature fully and need testosterone locally in testes for proper sperm growth, HCG is added to get testes to produce test locally. TRT doses of test does not make me fertile based on previous tests.
I am taking 0.5mg of Anastrozole EOD and along with DIM and I3C. By the way, when I was on my TRT protocol of 100mg/wk teste and 500iu HCG EOD, estrogen was kept in control with just DIM and I3C with any AI.
Yes, I will not be adding anything else perhaps will drop Deca.
BTW, Collagen Peptide is type I and III, believe from Cattles. It supposed to help with structures supporting joints.
Edit: I removed the link to amazon product page in case some odd folks of this great community think i am shilling for collagen product company.

 

[Oldschool]

why are you being such a dick to this guy? he came here for some help and advice.

That fucking picholas at it again?

 

[brutus79]

Dumbass why did you list the brand of the products, the compounds are the compounds no one gives a fuck where you got it from.

Shill.

The source of water retention is your own bloated sense of self worth and importance, it's amazing how 41 years of experience and life has left you this dumb. Or maybe all that extra estrogen from that insane hCG you are running...

Lmfao

Who is he shilling for? Ten sources? And all the vitamin companies? Chill the fuck out bro

 

[Oldschool]

Lmfao

Who is he shilling for? Ten sources? And all the vitamin companies? Chill the fuck out bro

LMFAO. He aint helping out the whitefolk thats for sure. Silly motherfucker.

 

[TRT@40]

You've got several things there that could cause water retention..

Whats diet look like? What's your sodium intake? Supplementing potassium? Water intake? Sleep?

Hi @Evom1 ,
Sleep is not the best; 6-7hours but get up 2-3 times a night to urinate because I workout kinda late around 6pm and drink around 1.25liters of water during workout.
Water intake is about 3 liters; thanks for the reminder i will increase the water intake to at least 4 liters.
Minerals 650 that i am taking does not have much potassium in it. How much do you recommend?

Typical diet is as follows:
8AM: 3 full egg, vege, cheese omelette with 2 slices of bread.
1030AM: 60 grams of protein from shake containing 2 scoops of protein, 1 cup frozen berries, 1 cup yogurt, 1 spoon of ashwaganda
2PM: Salmon with veges and rice
330PM: Chicken breast with veges
530pm-7pm gym
8PM: Chicken or lean beef dish with veges
1030PM: 60 grams of protein shake like the one from 1030AM