TRT & Bloodwork.

[Desufnoc]

Quick background.

35yrs old
Male
300lbs
35%bf
Intermittent fasting, 3000 cal.
15% carbs/40%protien/45%fats
Have lost about 25lbs


Been in TRT for a bit over 2 years. The Urologist ive been seeing has bounced me around on different protocols to get my levels where HE feels comfortable with me being at, have a feeling insurance may have something to do with it too. He currently has me at 150mg/wk. I have also been dieting through a nutritionist to lose weight and get at a better physical standard for work and life.

I have found that i feel great at 200mg/week on Test C and would like to keep that protocol but obviously the Dr im seeing is a pia to work with so im looking at self medicating. To keep a schedule I pin e/Mon.

I just placed my first UGL order with enough for 1 year of shots but the vials are dosed at 250mg/cc vs the 200 I currently use. I also ordered some Aromasin which i would take 7.5mg eod to lower my estrogen and also aid in fatloss.

I am by no means a body builder, this is strictly for my health and aid in fatloss to get a better place physically for better quality of life. I will most likely pin for the rest of my life. I already have kids and not worried about having any furure children.

Im still reading and learning but am lost in regards to bloodwork. What panels should i be looking at and what each means in regards to health. I would like to get bloods asap before i begin a 250mg/wk of TestC and 7.5mg/eod of Asin. If ordering from PrivateMDLabs which panel covers what i should look at? On this link, Body Builder Testing | Private MD Labs there is a Hormone Panel for Males. Does this suffice or is there a better option? Thx.


Side note: There is alot of scattered info on here in regards to bloodwork. Not much goes into detail. I challenge one of you more knowledgeable members to create a post covering bloodwork in detail and what ppl from beginner to advanced should look for when getting bloodwork.

 

[trestisbest]

1. You gave up getting pharma test through insurance for UGL test because your doctor wouldn't put your dose above 150mg a week? (Which is a perfectly fine TRT dose, by the way).

2. Your UGL test that you just bought has a higher concentration, so that means you have to keep injecting 1 mL? Why not a fraction of 1 mL? Are you aware that syringes can measure less than 1 mL?

3. You're 300 pounds and you think Aromasin is going to help you lose weight?

4. You're 300 pounds and you're about to cruise on 250mg of test a week?

You have no idea what you're doing. I strongly suggest that you put yourself back under a doctor's care and do not try to do this yourself.

 

[Desufnoc]

1. You gave up getting pharma test through insurance for UGL test because your doctor wouldn't put your dose above 150mg a week? (Which is a perfectly fine TRT dose, by the way).

2. Your UGL test that you just bought has a higher concentration, so that means you have to keep injecting 1 mL? Why not a fraction of 1 mL? Are you aware that syringes can measure less than 1 mL?

3. You're 300 pounds and you think Aromasin is going to help you lose weight?

4. You're 300 pounds and you're about to cruise on 250mg of test a week?

You have no idea what you're doing. I strongly suggest that you put yourself back under a doctor's care and do not try to do

It always amazes me how many wise guys with superior knowledge critize people seeking information and education but continuously fail to actually provide any useful knowledge/ help on these boards.

Looking into your posts you appear to enjoy critizing/ trolling other members but have yet to provide anything positive to this board.

1. I pay more through Pharma and Insurance than in would UGL. I have been at 200mg/wk for months and randomly changed it to 150. My bloods for 200 were great. In your superior knowledge, you should also know that different ppl react differently to drugs and a set protocol for the masses does not provide optimum results.

2. Yes. Higher concentration per ml. I would like to see where my bloods would be with 250mg/ml and how I woukd feel on that as a TRT dose.

3. Yes, im 300lbs. I know im fat, overweight and dieting with great results. I dont expect asin to be a magical pill but rather an aid.

4. Yes, i mentioned i was 300lbs. And want to cruise at 250mg. You are learning to read hooray.

5. If you have some actauk useful information, i would love to hear it, if not then go away. Its ppl like you that make it difficult to find goid info on boards becsuse you have to read through 75 pages of non related and usless posts just to find 4-5 posts with good info.

 

[trestisbest]

It always amazes me how many wise guys with superior knowledge critize people seeking information and education but continuously fail to actually provide any useful knowledge/ help on these boards.

Looking into your posts you appear to enjoy critizing/ trolling other members but have yet to provide anything positive to this board.

1. I pay more through Pharma and Insurance than in would UGL. I have been at 200mg/wk for months and randomly changed it to 150. My bloods for 200 were great. In your superior knowledge, you should also know that different ppl react differently to drugs and a set protocol for the masses does not provide optimum results.

2. Yes. Higher concentration per ml. I would like to see where my bloods would be with 250mg/ml and how I woukd feel on that as a TRT dose.

3. Yes, im 300lbs. I know im fat, overweight and dieting with great results. I dont expect asin to be a magical pill but rather an aid.

4. Yes, i mentioned i was 300lbs. And want to cruise at 250mg. You are learning to read hooray.

5. If you have some actauk useful information, i would love to hear it, if not then go away. Its ppl like you that make it difficult to find goid info on boards becsuse you have to read through 75 pages of non related and usless posts just to find 4-5 posts with good info.

250mg a week is not TRT. Yes, there are people that are "hyper excreters" who may benefit from this high of a dose, but they are very rare. What was your trough TT level on 200mg a week?

I am not trolling at all. I am genuinely trying to help you. I wasn't trying to sugarcoat it. I want you to understand how serious the ramifications of all this could be for you.

Money isn't everything. I pay more for pharma test for TRT because I know exactly what I'm getting. Any UGL can go bad at any time. If I get some bunk shit for a cycle, then the worst that could happen is my cycle doesn't happen. Hypogonadism is a medical issue. I want my medication for a medical issue to be as trustworthy as it can be. Plus, there is the added benefit of being able to fly on an airplane with my testosterone legally.

TRT has side effects. Arguably, the worst one is the damage long-term steroid use can do to your cardiovascular health. As you increase the dose, the potential for this increases, as well. As an individual who is very overweight (no offense), your long-term cardiovascular health is already being affected. Adding an excessively high TRT dose to this is a recipe for disaster.

 

[Desufnoc]

250mg a week is not TRT. Yes, there are people that are "hyper excreters" who may benefit from this high of a dose, but they are very rare. What was your trough TT level on 200mg a week?

I am not trolling at all. I am genuinely trying to help you. I wasn't trying to sugarcoat it. I want you to understand how serious the ramifications of all this could be for you.

Money isn't everything. I pay more for pharma test for TRT because I know exactly what I'm getting. Any UGL can go bad at any time. If I get some bunk shit for a cycle, then the worst that could happen is my cycle doesn't happen. Hypogonadism is a medical issue. I want my medication for a medical issue to be as trustworthy as it can be. Plus, there is the added benefit of being able to fly on an airplane with my testosterone legally.

TRT has side effects. Arguably, the worst one is the damage long-term steroid use can do to your cardiovascular health. As you increase the dose, the potential for this increases, as well. As an individual who is very overweight (no offense), your long-term cardiovascular health is already being affected. Adding an excessively high TRT dose to this is a recipe for disaster.

My apologies. Not sensitive by any means but your second post compared to your first was black and white. Its impossible to go into a thread and get useful information without having to read 75% of useless comments before getting any real information out of it.

As i stated. Im not sensitive, according to bmi i am obese. But im genuinely a large guy. 6'2" and built like a Samoan, i dont expect to ever realky be skinny/thin or even to the ideal weight according to bmi charts. There is no sugar coating it, if im going to be on drugs i want to be at the best point my body can be at for the long haul especially with a life long commitment of trt.

At 200mg/wk my total test was 1190-1240. If i can get my body to tge 1300 range, i think i will gain more out of it then where i am currently at.

While i have no bloods to prove so, because according to my Dr. a protocol of 200-250/wk will yield no actual raise in estrogen, i feel otherwise. So this is where a full panel comes in. I want to see where all my levels are at to include my igf-1.

I know the risks and not interested in blasting. I also know that 250 is at the high end for cruising, im curious at this point to see how my body will react to it, how it will convert estrogen and what other levels will jump.in the end i may relapse to the 200 protocol.

 

[trestisbest]

My apologies. Not sensitive by any means but your second post compared to your first was black and white. Its impossible to go into a thread and get useful information without having to read 75% of useless comments before getting any real information out of it.

As i stated. Im not sensitive, according to bmi i am obese. But im genuinely a large guy. 6'2" and built like a Samoan, i dont expect to ever realky be skinny/thin or even to the ideal weight according to bmi charts. There is no sugar coating it, if im going to be on drugs i want to be at the best point my body can be at for the long haul especially with a life long commitment of trt.

At 200mg/wk my total test was 1190-1240. If i can get my body to tge 1300 range, i think i will gain more out of it then where i am currently at.

While i have no bloods to prove so, because according to my Dr. a protocol of 200-250/wk will yield no actual raise in estrogen, i feel otherwise. So this is where a full panel comes in. I want to see where all my levels are at to include my igf-1.

I know the risks and not interested in blasting. I also know that 250 is at the high end for cruising, im curious at this point to see how my body will react to it, how it will convert estrogen and what other levels will jump.in the end i may relapse to the 200 protocol.

It's your body, and you're free to do with it as you wish. But I can tell you this for certain: 1200 is at the top of the normal range. If you didn't feel good there, it's not because your testosterone wasn't high enough.

Your doctor is wrong. Most guys at 200-250mg a week long-term will need an AI eventually. This is another issue with your situation: as body fat percentage increases, aromatization tends to increase, as well. I use 200mg a week for TRT and I need an AI at 15% BF. I'm considering dropping my dose because I want to use less Arimidex. I am also getting acne as a side effect, so I'm hoping a lower dose will help that, as well.

More is not always better. 1300 is getting into the supraphysiological range. I believe health issues will start to arise if you remain above normal levels long-term.

If you're going to do this, then here are a few things I think you should do to reduce damage:
1. Continue to lose weight. Get down to about 20% BF.
2. Eat an overall healthy diet.
3. Exercise. Get your heart rate up.
4. Donate blood 2-3 times a year.
5. A few supplements that I believe will help: fish oil, nattokinase, garlic, vitamin K2, and baby aspirin.
6. Drink plenty of water.

 

[Kinetic]

Maybe I missed it, but where is your e2 sitting at 150/week? At 35% bf, you can probably expect estrogen to skyrocket at a higher dose and playing around with AI's can be tricky and often unnecessary for TRT doses. Personally, if it were me, I'd stay at the doctor's dose until you drop a good bit of weight. You'll be amazed how you feel when you shed all that excess weight.

 

[Desufnoc]

Ok..so bare with me as im no tech expert. Lets hope this works.

These are my bloods taken a few weeks ago on 200/wk. There is def some concern that i am currently addressing. Gonna look at a dif doc to get me on the right levels and meds.

Nope....didnt work. Gonna do a search to figure this out.

 

[Desufnoc]

 

[grey]

These are my bloods taken a few weeks ago on 200/wk.

I don't normally advise people to "treat numbers" but if you were E2 92.8 at 200mg/week, your doc was right as rain to drop you down to 150.

Frankly you are lucky that was all he did.

@trestisbest was correct in every post here, including his first one.

You aren't ready, you don't know what you are doing, and what you are contemplating is a really dumb idea.

Drop 40-50 pounds naturally (minimum). Then reconsider your options.

 

[Desufnoc]

I don't normally advise people to "treat numbers" but if you were E2 92.8 at 200mg/week, your doc was right as rain to drop you down to 150.

Frankly you are lucky that was all he did.

@trestisbest was correct in every post here, including his first one.

You aren't ready, you don't know what you are doing, and what you are contemplating is a really dumb idea.

Drop 40-50 pounds naturally (minimum). Then reconsider your options.

Only problem is that the doc didnt drop my test because of e2. He dropped it because of the elevated test. He wouldnt even look at my e2. Thats what prompted me to get my own bloods and own protocol. To get my numbers at an optimal range that I can continue to work with.

Im not on trt to lose weight. Im on it because my initial bloodwork before i began trt showed my test total to be at 186, energy had plumitted and i had very little strength. Test then jumped for several months to above 900 and thats why we intially settled in at 200/10 days. A few months later he changed it from 10 days to /wk and later dropped my dosage to 150/wk because of the elevated test.

During my initial protocol i lost 30lbs. From 330 to 300 where i was at when i made this thread. I am now at 285 and will continue to lose more weight. But still need to have the energy to work and workout.

 

[grey]

I am now at 285 and will continue to lose more weight.

Good, keep doing that.

Don't up your dose.

Don't even go back to 200mg/week.

 

[Desufnoc]

Good, keep doing that.

Don't up your dose.

Don't even go back to 200mg/week.

The above bloods are at 200. While he changed my protocol, i never implemented it. Ive been at 200/wk for quite some time.

Ive been told that 1300 is a good range to cruise at. That i will see continuous benefits at that level, how accurate is this?

Obviously with my e2 being so high i need to get that treated and will.

 

[grey]

The above bloods are at 200

I know...

That dose is aromatising far too much for you.

Controlling that is generally difficult and unstable thing. The simplest and most reliable method is to simply lower the test dose.

Ive been told that 1300 is a good range to cruise at. That i will see continuous benefits at that level, how accurate is this?

You were hypogonadal... you would see continuous benefits at 700 TT in all likeliehood.

1300 is just a number, but if holding that number causes your E2 to skyrocket like that, then it is NOT a good number to shoot for in your case. Any benefits in the short term you would see are outweighed by the health issues that will occur from the E2.

You didn't post your lipid levels etc, do you have those?

 

[Desufnoc]

You didn't post your lipid levels etc, do you have those?

No. I didnt get those.

 

[trestisbest]

800-900 is great for TRT. 1300 is pointless. More sides without the benefits. If you're running a cycle, you want to get into the 2000's, at least. There's really no reason to ever be at 1300 when you weigh the costs and benefits.

More is not always better!

 

[Throwback]

Op....please listen to these guys...at 150mg your tt is still gonna come in around 1000.
The test is aromitizing faster due to hi bf %....it could also be that your body converts easier.
Your downward progress in weight will continue at 150mg and your energy and strength shouldnt suffer...
That being said congrats on at least taking the steps that up to this idea have been the best thing you could do for yourself....alot of guys talk about it but not many even start.

 

[Ironlyfe80]

I think 1300 is too high for trt. That's more like a weak cycle. Your e2 is pretty high and I'm sure your lipids and HCT aren't going in a good direction.

I was over 300 lbs 13 weeks ago, but have dropped to 245 since then and still going. At 200 mg/wk puts me just under 1100 TT and my HCT still slowly climbs. I've actually dropped down to 160mg/wk to slow down the HCT climb and keep my lipids in check. More is not always better, especially if you're looking at the long haul.

 

[Thaistick]

The lower dose is plenty. Instead of going high see how high you can go without needing an ai. That's where I like to be.