Insulin usage while on cycle (Lantus/Humalog)

[SHARK1]

Wanting to introduce both fast-acting/slow-acting insulin to my cycle at 30IU upon waking ED (Lantus) and 10IU (starting point) of Humalog post-workout 3x a week.

Diet looks like this:

Morning Shake:
Protein 90g
Carbs 10g
Fat 4g

Meal 1:
Protein 40g
Carb 25g
Fat 6g

Meal 2:
Protein 40g
Carbohydrate 20g
Fat 10g

Meal 3:
Protein 40g
Carbohydrate 40g
Fat 7g

Meal 4:
Protein 40g
Carbohydrate 24g
Fat 7g

Meal 5 (avocados):
Protein 8g
Carbohydrate 30g
Fat 60g

Pre-Bed Shake:
Protein 90g
Carbs 10g
Fat 4g

Currently on Test, Tren, Mast at 750mg per week each (enanthates). Dianabol between 40-80mg on lifting days. Going to throw Anadrol and NPP (600mg PW) next week or the one above it.

What are the chances of "dying off while sleeping" when on Lantus? This is the only thing I am concerned about, fucking obviously lol

 

[Demondosage]

Slim to none, but I would take it in the evening, not morning. Lantus is a slow release and doesnt peak. Your body adjusts to it because its so slow, u can take pre bedtime and you will be fine. Reason Im saying to take in evening is so that its almost all out of you by the time you dose your fast acting insulin. Even though it doesnt peak, it can still slowly drive your glucose down and its better to be on the lower side before hitting your nolvalog or humalog.

 

[Demondosage]

Its termed a "24 hr insulin" but in reality its more like 16 hrs

 

[SHARK1]

Slim to none, but I would take it in the evening, not morning. Lantus is a slow release and doesnt peak. Your body adjusts to it because its so slow, u can take pre bedtime and you will be fine. Reason Im saying to take in evening is so that its almost all out of you by the time you dose your fast acting insulin. Even though it doesnt peak, it can still slowly drive your glucose down and its better to be on the lower side before hitting your nolvalog or humalog.

Thank you so much for the reply, the reason as to why I'd pin it AM is because during the week I'd be done training at around 7-8pm (Tuesdays and Weds) and will not shoot Humalog (as it's too close to bed for me to risk it, but let me know if you think otherwise).

Hence the Lantus early every single day, and on Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays where I finish training by 4-5pm...I'd also do the Humalog shot post workout.

Current carbs as outlined are alright? Could I introduce some energy drink (Glucozade) or the sort post-workout or it's redundant at this point. I'm expecting to blow the fuck up by the time I got slin running in a week or two and throw NPP/DROL in.

 

[SHARK1]

Bump* meng

 

[SHARK1]

Couldn't get a hold of Lantus so I'll stick to ~8-10 IUs Humalog upon waking, same amount at lunch 5 hours later and same amount PWO.

On workout days (5 times a week).

 

[Mark_alan]

The humalog looks good. Not sure how long you plan on running it but be sure to take a break every now and then. Im no expert on insulin but I have ran it quite a few times. But like test I would imagine that too much exogenous slin could possibly shut down natty production. Like I said though I don't know that for a fact. But better safe than sorry. Btw sucks about the lantus because that added to the humalog is killer for adding some muscle. Goodluck brother

 

[SHARK1]

The humalog looks good. Not sure how long you plan on running it but be sure to take a break every now and then. Im no expert on insulin but I have ran it quite a few times. But like test I would imagine that too much exogenous slin could possibly shut down natty production. Like I said though I don't know that for a fact. But better safe than sorry. Btw sucks about the lantus because that added to the humalog is killer for adding some muscle. Goodluck brother

I don't even know when I'm stopping idgaf as of now. I'm already shut down so I'll introduce some hcg on cycle every now and then during the week.

From what I know there's no documented thing such as insulin shutdown, but it could make you resistant over a while. I plan on shooting Humalog 5 times a week with one day in betwen (3/2) and Lantus ED, both 3 weeks on 1 week off.

 

[warlordishere]

bumping this old thread,did you ever get ahold of any lantus?

 

[dajr225]

I love that fucking cycle. I'm about to run test 1g Deca 1g and throw in some slin. I'll probably Kickstart with tbol 45 mg per day, and might throw in some mast enth @ 600 to 800 MD per week to help stay a little dryer while on the deca. Also 5 or 6 iu of generic growth daily, probably greys. I'm trying to put on some serious mass next cycle and quit pussyfooting around.

 

[Evom1]

I know this is an older thread, but @SHARK1 looks like you were active recently. I'm wondering why you had your carbs super low?

 

[Dr JIM]

Wanting to introduce both fast-acting/slow-acting insulin to my cycle at 30IU upon waking ED (Lantus) and 10IU (starting point) of Humalog post-workout 3x a week.

Diet looks like this:

Morning Shake:
Protein 90g
Carbs 10g
Fat 4g

Meal 1:
Protein 40g
Carb 25g
Fat 6g

Meal 2:
Protein 40g
Carbohydrate 20g
Fat 10g

Meal 3:
Protein 40g
Carbohydrate 40g
Fat 7g

Meal 4:
Protein 40g
Carbohydrate 24g
Fat 7g

Meal 5 (avocados):
Protein 8g
Carbohydrate 30g
Fat 60g

Pre-Bed Shake:
Protein 90g
Carbs 10g
Fat 4g

Yea and lets see a three day MEAL PLAN and why ANYONE would use Slin in the absence of DM is NUTS!

 

[ChestRockwell]

Its termed a "24 hr insulin" but in reality its more like 16 hrs

No, it is actually at least 24 hours and may even be longer...

"This study shows that subcutaneous injection of HOE901 leads to an even metabolic effect that lasts for at least 24 h. In other words, its time action profile does not show the typical peak observed within 4–7 h after injection of NPH insulin (7,8). In the experiments the metabolic effect of HOE901 did not return to baseline values, indicating a duration of action of at least 30 h. Similar results were obtained in a glucose clamp study with type 1 diabetic patients, in which the end of the metabolic activity was 24 h in 16 of 20 patients (9)."

Heinemann L, Linkeschova R, Rave K, Hompesch B, Sedlak M, Heise T. Time-action profile of the long-acting insulin analog insulin glargine (HOE901) in comparison with those of NPH insulin and placebo. Diabetes Care. 2000 May;23(5):644-9.

 

[stone988]

Bro start off way lower then 8 ius of humalog! You will be sucking your own dick when it hits you! Your diet is for a girl! your body will destroy those carbs in minutes on slin!! You need to eat way more carbs or you will be seriously fucked!
You need some heavy fast acting carbs around your Humalog dosing. 400 grams of carbs daily to start. Most slow complex carbs are worthless when implementing slin. Dont waste your time with lantus, its pointless unless you are very experienced and know how your body reacts to specific carbs and calories. If you mix both with that bs diet you are on, a you will disappear. Grab a good carbo sup powder and amp it up, those first 2 feedings with 30 carbs and you will be on the floor with 10 ius of HL. Try 2 -3 ius of HL to start each dosing, and work from there, and eat at least 100 g of carbs, and fuck the lantus. If you are running good d bol you dont even really need slin. I would only run slin at a serious sticking point stacked with hgh and gear.

 

[SHARK1]

I know this is an older thread, but @SHARK1 looks like you were active recently. I'm wondering why you had your carbs super low?

I did not end up running it like this. Follow something more along the lines of Stone988s advice because he is right on the money.

Also, you need to experiment...I've gotten away with lower carbohydrates while on insulin but it defeats the purpose, has a lot to do with your current bodyfat levels and your set goals. With a cycle like I previously outlined, the insulin would have either been overkill or perhaps best utilized around workouts if you're into re-comping and a sort of PSMF with carbohydrates added around your workout, etc.

Bro start off way lower then 8 ius of humalog! You will be sucking your own dick when it hits you! Your diet is for a girl! your body will destroy those carbs in minutes on slin!! You need to eat way more carbs or you will be seriously fucked!
You need some heavy fast acting carbs around your Humalog dosing. 400 grams of carbs daily to start. Most slow complex carbs are worthless when implementing slin. Dont waste your time with lantus, its pointless unless you are very experienced and know how your body reacts to specific carbs and calories. If you mix both with that bs diet you are on, a you will disappear. Grab a good carbo sup powder and amp it up, those first 2 feedings with 30 carbs and you will be on the floor with 10 ius of HL. Try 2 -3 ius of HL to start each dosing, and work from there, and eat at least 100 g of carbs, and fuck the lantus. If you are running good d bol you dont even really need slin. I would only run slin at a serious sticking point stacked with hgh and gear.

 

[_Prometheus]

Currently on test Cyp + dbol+ NPP
And ghrp6 first thing AM and post workout
CJC no DAC + ipamorelin pre bed

Slin sounds interesting, but going hypo does not
And I've gone hypo at the gym before, while natty. FML