Rant About Religion

[Kinetic]

Heretics, you can't dismiss the OT cos of cringe factor.

No Bible-believing Christian dismisses the OT. It's part and parcel of the same body of works; a culmination of prophecies, eventual fulfillment, and history.

You think God was wrathful during the OT, just wait and see how He lays down righteous vengeance at the end of the NT.

 

[x11]

Funny that vengeance was said to occur while Jesus contemporaries were still alive. The end was supposed to happen in their time....oops.

Christians have been setting dates for the end of the world for hundreds of years, people ruined their lives over. Epic fail after epic fail. The doomsday people should be arrested for all the trouble they cause. Its immoral, dangerous, harmful manipulation and exploitation.

Only a scum bag promotes end of the world predictions.

How you even know you have followed the right God?

Are you the predetermined elect that will go to heaven?

Evidence any of this has anything to do with reality?

 

[Eman]

Strange that this thread has gotten so controversial... Religion threads never get like that.

@x11 don't you have some cats or cousins to sexually assault tonight? It's tough to take you seriously when you refer to something as an "adult conversation" when you have the grammar, spelling and hobbies of a 9 year old.

 

[Throwback]

Read the thread.

I have smart ass...
So since you dont believe in a God...as defined earlier... if you read the thread.
You must believe that all of this is random coincidence...all of what we deem as reality. If so it seems to follow that the randomness of existence lies only in the individuals own sense of reality which in turn is completley subjective allowing for alternative realities to coexist at all times jin the same space time continueum.
Right?

 

[x11]

Wrong.

 

[hurricane]

Strange that this thread has gotten so controversial... Religion threads never get like that.

@x11 don't you have some cats or cousins to sexually assault tonight? It's tough to take you seriously when you refer to something as an "adult conversation" when you have the grammar, spelling and hobbies of a 9 year old.

It did heat up quick. And I apologize if I offended any members who I know and respect. And you are one of them bro. Nothing was directed towards you. But I apologize if you were offended at all.

 

[x11]

I apologise for nothing.

 

[Throwback]

Funny that vengeance was said to occur while Jesus contemporaries were still alive. The end was supposed to happen in their time....oops.

Christians have been setting dates for the end of the world for hundreds of years, people ruined their lives over. Epic fail after epic fail. The doomsday people should be arrested for all the trouble they cause. Its immoral, dangerous, harmful manipulation and exploitation.

Only a scum bag promotes end of the world predictions.

How you even know you have followed the right God?

Are you the predetermined elect that will go to heaven?

Evidence any of this has anything to do with reality?

Your right...Jesus contempories believed that He meant that they were living in the end time...However Jesus was very clear that no man knows nor even did He the hour or day that the end would arrive.
He warned to all generations that they should live lives worthy should it occur suddenly lest they be unprepared.
You make another valid point....how do you know its even the right God?
That is where belief and faith come in...its not a blind faith either for a thinking person.
In my case i independently read reread and researched the bible...other religons...ancient history...archeology etc.
Then i studied genetics...origins evolution and physics along with reading about new scientific discoveries...all of this since 1999.
The bottom line for myself based upon all the evidence i have reviewed...
Is that all that is..was definately created and designed with purpose.
The assembly of the proteins required along with the amino acids in just the right sequence to build even a single celled organism are mathematically astronomical
Then if even one item in the chain is not connected at the correct spot or left out...no life exists.
Its called irreducible complexity.
Now i cant sqy its the being that Christians call God..or Hindus or any of the known religions of the world.
But I can say this...We are here by designvand the world/universe we live in was created because it is full of programed information that was plugged in eons ago by something so powerful that our finite minds cannot comprehend its immensity.

 

[Leancuisine]

The actual events you are referring to are old testament...hebrew texts.
They have for the most part proven to be a reliable history of the jews and the struggles that they encountered as they worked their way north from the sinai pennisula to the crossing of the jordan river near the city of Jerhico.
According to the bible God told the Israelites to utterly destroy these cultures as they moved thru the area to the lands that were promised to them earlier.
The reasons given are due to the people of the land living wild promiscuous lives...idol worship and the worship of false gods in addition to human sacrifice (typically children)
The reasoning as to why kill everyone is clear. That their would be no remaining opposition or future repercussions as the children grew up and sought revenge. Much like kids in the middle east today being trained to retaliate for the deaths of their parents..relatives etc.
There is also the doctrine that these children that have not yet reached an age of reasoning would therefore be allowed access to heaven and the presence of God.
The Jews themselves were subjected to the same fate at least twice...when Nebucanezer of Babylon destroyed Jerusalem in 700ish BC and killed nearly everyone and carried the rest off to become slaves in modern day Iraq...Then again in 70AD when Rome laid siege to Jerusalem destroying the temple and killing everyone in sight.
Both were due to the people living lives contrary to the commands of God according to the Bible.
But God also gave them and the earlier peoples time to change their ways and many warnings in many ways.
A classic example is the story of Jonah...not the belly of the fish part but the reason Jonah attempted to run from God was that God had ordered him to go to Ninevah...north east Iraq and walk thru the city announcing that God was unhappy with the people (Assyrians)and their lifestyle as a whole. If they would not repent and ask for his forgiveness then God would destroy them.
Jonah eventually did just this and the King of Assyeria( who happened to be a very well educated guy that could read and understand even the sumerian cunneiform texts that were already thousands of years old...this is according to archeological finds at the kings library in Ninevah) the king then commanded his people to repent and the city was spared for generations.
So the old testament and judaism both teach that God will give ample time to repent of behavior prior to punishment.
Christianity is different than the old testament and the teachings of judaism.
John the Baptist who foreshadowed the ministry of Jesus and Christs own message was one of repentance for falling short in day to day life individually.
The grace of God was extended to all that believed in the gospel of Christ and in his death and ressurection.
Op...this is just to clarify what is actually taught by the bible....not what is necessarily exhibited by the followers of jesus.
You had a bad experience with a very close minded professing christian...not all are wired that way.
The fact that christians in the name of christianity have carried out many of the most horrific events in human history doesnt negate the true message of the gospel as recorded in the bible.
It does however show you how sick and evil human beings can be.

Awesome post. You stated a whole lot of knowledge. I didn't sense any type of heated rebuttal or anything in there. Very well stated.

I know not everyone is bad. One cop shoots a kid. Doesn't mean every cop is a trigger happy dick. It just seems that the good are so few and far between. Most seem to be too busy playing the holier than though card.

Thanks for chiming in brother. That was a very well thought out and pieced together response.

 

[Throwback]

Wrong.

So explain your postion and please use actual facts.

 

[hurricane]

I apologise for nothing.

I apologize to people I respect. Don't worry. Your not one of them. LMAO.

 

[Eman]

It did heat up quick. And I apologize if I offended any members who I know and respect. And you are one of them bro. Nothing was directed towards you. But I apologize if you were offended at all.

No offense taken whatsoever. I appreciate that you stopped into the thread to provide your thoughts... I sometimes think I'm being respectful of other individual's beliefs when my words indicate otherwise. I don't have a problem with anyone that has faith... MOST of the time. With that said, the things that bother me about religion are probably the same things that bother you about religion too.

I used to be more hardcore in my anti religious beliefs. I saw a friend and colleague lose their life because of their faith a few years ago... Despite that, I've toned my rhetoric down over the years even when my frustration sometimes grows.

 

[hurricane]

So explain your postion and please use actual facts.

You are one cool ass level headed mother fukr. Your always a solid dude.

 

[hurricane]

No offense taken whatsoever. I appreciate that you stopped into the thread to provide your thoughts... I sometimes think I'm being respectful of other individual's beliefs when my words indicate otherwise. I don't have a problem with anyone that has faith... MOST of the time. With that said, the things that bother me about religion are probably the same things that bother you about religion too.

I used to be more hardcore in my anti religious beliefs. I saw a friend and colleague lose their life because of their faith a few years ago... Despite that, I've toned my rhetoric down over the years even when my frustration sometimes grows.

Exactly. I hardly think Christianity or any religion is perfect. There's many things about the Church that I disagree with. So I can understand those against religion. I just happen to believe in Christ. It doesn't mean I dislike religious people. I dislike those that mock my beliefs. That's all.

 

[x11]

@Throwback respect your beliefs, thanks for sharing.

At most you are a deist not a theist.

The consequence of choosing to worship the wrong God as far as Christianity is concerned is dire, eg infinity torture.

You not only have to choose the correct God, there are thousands, you have to choose the correct denomination, there are thousands.

God's own people reject Christ as son of God. Ya think they would know something?

Jesus does not know the hour, time etc yet Jesus is God.

Christians in particular is the most fragmented major modern religion. Islam has vastly more unity and fewer sects. There are less contradictions in Islam, it is a better written book as far as coherence goes.

So you don't know if you got the right God what makes you even think the bible is all the word of God?

How do you think the bible was assembled and by who?

How do you know you have interpreted correct. Early Christians slaughtered each other over these questions.

Finally what do you think the purpose of this design was.

Irreducible complexity went to court, the example provided by creationists was demonstrated to be false in court.

The design argument is old and attractive at first glance. Will leave that for now but do please tell me what the purpose of rotovirus is as I already asked you. It targets human infants and kills them by diarrhea, purpose??

 

[Throwback]

Awesome post. You stated a whole lot of knowledge. I didn't sense any type of heated rebuttal or anything in there. Very well stated.

I know not everyone is bad. One cop shoots a kid. Doesn't mean every cop is a trigger happy dick. It just seems that the good are so few and far between. Most seem to be too busy playing the holier than though card.

Thanks for chiming in brother. That was a very well thought out and pieced together response.

Thanks...i really have spent almost 20 years now researching this.
It is such a mind boggling thing to ponder.
There are actually ancient cunneiform texts unearthed in southern mesopotamia that are nearly identical but with much more detail to the first chapters of genisis thru 5he time of Abraham.
These texts are at least 7500 years older than Abraham who lived in the mid 2000s bc.
Now theres a story too.
The bible says that God told Abram to take all his stuff and family ...get out of ur and go north to haran. Ur is in southern iraq just north of the persian gulf...haran is roughly 350 miles north near modern mosul.
Abram was super wealthy and he obeyed god according to the bible and they took all their shit and left.
But what the bible doesnt tell us is this.
At the same wxact time Sargon the king of Babylon was on a mission south out of Babylon. He headed down thru the eastern cities of mesopotamia conquering them systematically and plundering them and killing off the wealthy rulers and landowners in each of them till he got to the gulf. He then headed north toward ur.
So did God really tell Abram to go to Haran or was he just shrewd and acted on information he recieved as Sargon approached...then crediting that intel to God?
I think the latter is most likely...but its an interesting historical footnote.

 

[x11]

So explain your postion and please use actual facts.

Basically I have no belief in a particular god.

That's it.

 

[Leancuisine]

@Throwback respect your beliefs, thanks for sharing.

At most you are a deist not a theist.

The consequence of choosing to worship the wrong God as far as Christianity is concerned is dire, eg infinity torture.

You not only have to choose the correct God, there are thiusands, you have to choose the correct denomination, there are thousands.

Christians in particular is the most fragmented major modern religion. Islam has vastly more unity and fewer sects. There are less contradictions in Islam, it is a better written book as far as coherence goes.

So you don't know if you got the right God what makes you even think the bible is all the word of God?

How do you think the bible was assembled and by who?

How do you know you have interpreted correct. Early Christians slaughtered each other over these questions.

Finally what do you think the purpose of this design was.

Irreducible complexity went to court, the example provided by creationists was demonstrated to be false in court.

The design argument is old and attractive at first glance. Will leave that for now but do please tell me what the purpose of rotovirus is as I already asked you. It targets human infants and kills them by diarrhea, purpose??

What? Have you read the Quran? Book goes from a decent, pretty much paralleling the Bible, to violent as fuck and a complete 180.

The reason this happens is because Mohammad tried traveling to a new city, Abyssinia, to preach his new religion of Islam. He went there and the people basically told him "it's cool and all, but there's no real benefit for us to switch from our current religions." So he goes back home to mecca, butt hurt as all hell, and tells his close friends that he can promise them money and food if they just followed Allah's wishes.

So he becomes a bandit. Raiding caravans to provide for his bandits. As they grew, and became feared, they signed treaties with cities to be allowed in to trade and what not. Once they were in the city, they would build, and then siege the city. The did so to Medina after they had signed a 10 year peace treaty. On the 3rd year of the treaty, Mohammad ordered his followers to siege the city.

He then forced Islam upon everyone. If they wanted to keep their religion of preference they had to pay a monthly tax to receive protection from the Muslims, from themselves. They also had to wear clothes or necklaces identifying what religion they followed and were generally treated like shit.


All this stemmed from a pretty good concept. But Mohammad didn't deal well with rejection. learned it is easier to control people through fear.

 

[x11]

Yeah, not going to defend Islam. I will re-state it. Both books are equally ridiculous IMO.

 

[Leancuisine]

Thanks...i really have spent almost 20 years now researching this.
It is such a mind boggling thing to ponder.
There are actually ancient cunneiform texts unearthed in southern mesopotamia that are nearly identical but with much more detail to the first chapters of genisis thru 5he time of Abraham.
These texts are at least 7500 years older than Abraham who lived in the mid 2000s bc.
Now theres a story too.
The bible says that God told Abram to take all his stuff and family ...get out of ur and go north to haran. Ur is in southern iraq just north of the persian gulf...haran is roughly 350 miles north near modern mosul.
Abram was super wealthy and he obeyed god according to the bible and they took all their shit and left.
But what the bible doesnt tell us is this.
At the same wxact time Sargon the king of Babylon was on a mission south out of Babylon. He headed down thru the eastern cities of mesopotamia conquering them systematically and plundering them and killing off the wealthy rulers and landowners in each of them till he got to the gulf. He then headed north toward ur.
So did God really tell Abram to go to Haran or was he just shrewd and acted on information he recieved as Sargon approached...then crediting that intel to God?
I think the latter is most likely...but its an interesting historical footnote.

Someone could have taken his story and used it as a way to persuade people to follow their religion. Who really knows. I love your knowledge on history in general though. Impressive to say the least.