Banning immigrants from "certain" countries

[CdnGuy]

No sir, that's the liberal in you putting words in my mouth.

Of course it is when your wrong!! As for Liberals, Republicans, conservative etc. Politics as whole is just as dirty as the underworld so fuck em all !!!!!

 

[kawilt]

Who worrys about being deported to America?

Snowden.....

 

[XKawN]

Snowden.....

Lol, a month ago I would have said Assange as well. Maybe not so much anymore.

 

[ranger.danger]

I apologize if I insinuated racism coming from you. That wasn't my intention. We are not too far apart about securing our borders. Wall isn't the answer. It's not my word it's the science and data that's available like the one in Israel. It never works. I don't believe illegal immigration is helping our country!! But the problem is not as big as some want you to believe, that's my point! I think if the corporate greed is fixed in the worlds biggest economy, it will benefit the working class all over the world!!! That is the only real answer to your question of stopping illegal immigration. You can't stop humans from wanting to strive for better. It's all good to say get in line when the line is yearlong and made very narrow on purpose for some. I am being realistic when I say the only way to stop illegal immigration is to built work force and better life for them in their own country through incentives of good policy making. America first is not goin to achieve you that and that's a philosophical difference you and I have.
I am passionate towards the ones here for work. All criminals should be punished to the fullest I don't care legal or illegal. And yes we should stop illegal immigration as soon as possible to help economy and curb the hate towards Hispanics also.
The topic is deeper than I can discuss on a keyboard. The answer lies between amnesty and border security with comprehensive reform of the foreign worker visa program!!!

Refugees are the most broken down people in the world that's a topic for different discussion. Doesn't matter where they come from most are women and children. They are being used as a political talking point. There are real lives destroyed beyond the rhetoric so to me it's fear mongering

I guess it's who you ask because ive heard the iraelis wall being taughted as a success. Anyways i agree with you on the fact we need to deal with the corporations to deal with illegal immigration, although i would go about it differently...
I don't think a wall is a cure all but it would help. I understand ways will always been found but it would eliminate many.
I know immigration is part of the American way. I want it done the right way.

 

[XKawN]

I guess it's who you ask because ive heard the iraelis wall being taughted as a success. Anyways i agree with you on the fact we need to deal with the corporations to deal with illegal immigration, although i would go about it differently...
I don't think a wall is a cure all but it would help. I understand ways will always been found but it would eliminate many.
I know immigration is part of the American way. I want it done the right way.

Why?.... why deal with the companies hiring them? This is what baffles the he'll out of me. Go after the companies that hire them because we are so against them earning their keep yet the government can give them free services? So it's OK to take my hard earned money and give it to an illegal immigrant but it's not ok to let them work for their own food. That makes absolutely no sense to me. I would like to see a law passed that would hold z politicians and government workers legally accountable for giving free stuff to illegal immigrants. Charge, convict and imprison public servants for doing what is illegal for the private sector to do.

 

[Big_paul]

Americans and corporations who hire illegal immigrants are responsible for the problem. Go after the source and problem solved. You will not need a wall.

Years ago migrants were used in agriculture. Now anyone who wants a job done cheap will hire them. Taking jobs from Americans drives down wages and stokes mindless hate.

 

[ranger.danger]

Why?.... why deal with the companies hiring them? This is what baffles the he'll out of me. Go after the companies that hire them because we are so against them earning their keep yet the government can give them free services? So it's OK to take my hard earned money and give it to an illegal immigrant but it's not ok to let them work for their own food. That makes absolutely no sense to me. I would like to see a law passed that would hold z politicians and government workers legally accountable for giving free stuff to illegal immigrants. Charge, convict and imprison public servants for doing what is illegal for the private sector to do.

Im not for free services. I don't see the issue with criminally charging owners of companies who employ illegal immigrants... if you really want to see illegal immigration end then cut off their source of money. You're not going to come here if you can't get a job or welfare

 

[CdnGuy]

Im not for free services. I don't see the issue with criminally charging owners of companies who employ illegal immigrants... if you really want to see illegal immigration end then cut off their source of money. You're not going to come here if you can't get a job or welfare

I don't disagree with your post it's a good idea. One problem though lol


Trump Wants to Build a Wall. Finding Workers Won’t Be Easy

 

[Michael Scally MD]

Canadian Mounties, on a freezing winter day, helping a refugee family flee over the US border. @CdnGuy

 

[CdnGuy]

Canadian Mounties, on a freezing winter day, helping a refugee family flee over the US border. @CdnGuy

I think one of the cops was @tenpoundsleft lol

 

[XKawN]

Im not for free services. I don't see the issue with criminally charging owners of companies who employ illegal immigrants... if you really want to see illegal immigration end then cut off their source of money. You're not going to come here if you can't get a job or welfare

The only issue I have is the hypocrisy of the government. That and why would illegals stop coming if they are guaranteed food stamps and other free services. Let the public sector start of by being the example.

 

[ranger.danger]

The only issue I have is the hypocrisy of the government. That and why would illegals stop coming if they are guaranteed food stamps and other free services. Let the public sector start of by being the example.

I think youre missing my point. I do not want them collecting free anything. Maybe I didnt really clarify what I was intending to get across. Im totally against them coming across the border and collecting any type of welfare and yes I agree the politicians need to make changes and or be held accountable. If there was no way for them to collect welfare or obtain jobs then they would no longer come here.
I think both company owners and politicians should be held equally accountable.

 

[MassTurk]

I encourage everyone to enlighten themselves about Mr Trumps Top adviser Steve Bannon. There is a reason for the very loud cryout from the progressives and minority groups to slow down Trumps executive orders. He is keep
Underminding the constitution in his favor for the things he want us to fall in to. His vision for US is not one without a collapse. He thinks dark days are coming before the he promised land. This is why how Mr Trump goes about governing matters and the only thing we have is our side of defense is the separation and checks and balances of power. We can't be serious when we want to silence the judges who is only duty to uphold the law. You can't have an "it was partisan" arguement when court has republican apointees on bench. This illegal immigration and Muslim ban rhetoric is part of a larger agenda this administration have. That is why we are talking in circles instead of realizing
Problem exists,alway existed,and should be dealth with but it's being exploited by administration for political capitol in legislative beach. I think we will keep witnessing the bending of the rules and norm for the duration of Trump administration and we have to be on alert for overreach by his executive branch.

 

[XKawN]

I think youre missing my point. I do not want them collecting free anything. Maybe I didnt really clarify what I was intending to get across. Im totally against them coming across the border and collecting any type of welfare and yes I agree the politicians need to make changes and or be held accountable. If there was no way for them to collect welfare or obtain jobs then they would no longer come here.
I think both company owners and politicians should be held equally accountable.

I'm not arguing with you. Certainly not trying to put words in your mouth. Just giving my point on the subject. Government needs to stop breaking the law before they hold private citizens accountable for that same crime.

 

[XKawN]

I encourage everyone to enlighten themselves about Mr Trumps Top adviser Steve Bannon. There is a reason for the very loud cryout from the progressives and minority groups to slow down Trumps executive orders. He is keep
Underminding the constitution in his favor for the things he want us to fall in to. His vision for US is not one without a collapse. He thinks dark days are coming before the he promised land. This is why how Mr Trump goes about governing matters and the only thing we have is our side of defense is the separation and checks and balances of power. We can't be serious when we want to silence the judges who is only duty to uphold the law. You can't have an "it was partisan" arguement when court has republican apointees on bench. This illegal immigration and Muslim ban rhetoric is part of a larger agenda this administration have. That is why we are talking in circles instead of realizing
Problem exists,alway existed,and should be dealth with but it's being exploited by administration for political capitol in legislative beach. I think we will keep witnessing the bending of the rules and norm for the duration of Trump administration and we have to be on alert for overreach by his executive branch.

Where were you when Obama was president?

 

[MassTurk]

Where were you when Obama was president?

When he over reached with NSA spying on Americans I was right here too. I am apolitical when it comes to civil liberties
Obama bush trump doesn't matter. Obama gave a lot of freedom and recognition to small minorities like LGBT community. He was a so so progressive in my humble opinion

Ps Obama didn't have a huge liability like Bannon though axelrod was pretty mainstream liberal nothin crazy like Bannon

 

[ranger.danger]

I'm not arguing with you. Certainly not trying to put words in your mouth. Just giving my point on the subject. Government needs to stop breaking the law before they hold private citizens accountable for that same crime.

Me either brother. I was just trying to let you know i 100% agree with you.

 

[Big_paul]

The only issue I have is the hypocrisy of the government. That and why would illegals stop coming if they are guaranteed food stamps and other free services. Let the public sector start of by being the example.

If there is no job they won't come or stay here. A lot of the talk about we need them to take jobs no one wants is bullshit.

I lived in south utah 10 years ago and undocumented workers had driven down wages $7000 a year for a guy with only a high school diploma. They were building roads, working construction, jobs that should have went to Americans. I'd go acroos the street to the convenience store at lunch and no one spoke English.

Crucify a few contractors and that shit will not happen. Same with companies if upper management has to do a year in county jail or a few in prison there will no longer be a problem. Agriculture is an exception and those who work need to be documented.

As long as Americans profit because of undocumented workers there will be undocumented workers. This is a simple problem to correct. We just have to lock up a few employers.

 

[Eman]

Crucify a few contractors and that shit will not happen.

"12 businesses that provided contract janitor services to Wal-Mart will pay $4 million in fines and plead guilty to criminal immigration charges, officials said."

Wal-Mart Settles Illegal Immigrant Case for $11M

This was years ago... I have had many contracts with Walmart over the last few years and I can tell you, they don't fuck around with immigration documents. Your post made me think of it.

 

[Big_paul]

Walmart is complex. They provide products cheap, but have done so much done so much to harm American companies who manufactur goods here.They also pay employees so little many are on the dole.

The only way America can compete world wide in manufacturing is for all countries to pay employees near what we do and also benefits. If they don't we can not trade with them.

India is ramping up. Add that to China and nothing will be made in America in 20 years.