Banning immigrants from "certain" countries

[GigaloRob]

You clearly have no compassion for people.

Facts don't care about your feelings. Your virtue signaling won't work here.

 

[ronin17]

You clearly need to brush up on your world news. They are not assimilating in Germany or just about anywhere else in europe.

There are problems from a incredibly small number. And guess what? When investigated they learn they were and are angry about never feeling part of the community. The divisions and anger and exclusion creates the hatred that creates the problems.

 

[Sk8man101]

I could only find USA numbers.
Remember this is not all the radicalists or racists from other gangs and organizations (American nazi party etc)
300,000 people in U.S.
8,000 people identify themselves as KKK members.
.002%
Although it is slightly less (.004% difference) this number is deffidently comparable to the Muslims and Isis members.
What this means is that Muslims are not anymore likely to become radical terrorists than any other group or religion.

 

[GigaloRob]

There are problems from a incredibly small number. And guess what? When investigated they learn they were and are angry about never feeling part of the community. The divisions and anger and exclusion creates the hatred that creates the problems.

You're kidding me right? Several countries have Muslims setting up their own areas and declaring them "no go zones". Meaning non Muslims are not permitted and they practice sharia law and not the law of the country they are in. This is not a small amount.

 

[GigaloRob]

I could only find USA numbers.
Remember this is not all the radicalists or racists from other gangs and organizations (American nazi party etc)
300,000 people in U.S.
8,000 people identify themselves as KKK members.
.002%
Although it is slightly less (.004% difference) this number is deffidently comparable to the Muslims and Isis members.
What this means is that Muslims are not anymore likely to become radical terrorists than any other group or religion.

Give me a source, any source of where you are getting these numbers. On a side note I hope the world can protect themselves from all the KKK terrorist bombings and killings around the world.

 

[Sk8man101]

Facts don't care about your feelings. Your virtue signaling won't work here.

Your focusing on the wrong facts though.
How about the fact that there are wemon and children dying in a war they want no part of, and the wealthiest people on earth (US) don't care at all to help them.
So your proposal is to tell these families to go back to the land where their house used to be untill it got blown up, where they have no job and no way of making living or sending their kids to school. And then what?
What is your solution if giving these innocent people a safe haven is not the answer?

 

[ronin17]

Facts don't care about your feelings. Your virtue signaling won't work here.

Spare me the recruitment tool talking point. They hate us already and doesn't the left always say that terrorism has nothing to do with Muslims or Islam?

You know nothing on this point. I have family members that are in country and have been for the last 10 years. The way we Have fought these wars has been the greatest recruitment tool.

You really should refrain from speaking about things you have no real knowledge of.

 

[GigaloRob]

Your focusing on the wrong facts though.
How about the fact that there are wemon and children dying in a war they want no part of, and the wealthiest people on earth (US) don't care at all to help them.
So your proposal is to tell these families to go back to the land where their house used to be untill it got blown up, where they have no job and no way of making living or sending their kids to school. And then what?
What is your solution if giving these innocent people a safe haven is not the answer?

I see that you are unable to provide any source for your statistics. We take in more than our fair share of refugees. Saudi Arabia has taken zero, Egypt has taken zero and the list goes on. We can't take everyone and we shouldn't be responsible for the rest of the world.

 

[Sk8man101]

Give me a source, any source of where you are getting these numbers. On a side note I hope the world can protect themselves from all the KKK terrorist bombings and killings around the world.

You have to be kidding me right?? The KKK has killed countless blacks over the year if you are implying they are not dangerous you are insaine.
But since you asked for references;
"The Southern Poverty Law Center estimates that there are 190 active KKK groups with between 5,000 and 8,000 Klan members in the U.S."
https://www.census.gov/popclock/
Here is a calculator online that you can use as a "reference"
Online Calculator

 

[Sk8man101]

I see that you are unable to provide any source for your statistics. We take in more than our fair share of refugees. Saudi Arabia has taken zero, Egypt has taken zero and the list goes on. We can't take everyone and we shouldn't be responsible for the rest of the world.

I seriously can't believe you need a source for the population of USA. Do you not believe that USA has 300 million people? Do you not believe that KKK has somewhere between 5-8 thousand?
This isn't rocket science it is 3rd grade math.

 

[GigaloRob]

You know nothing on this point. I have family members that are in country and have been for the last 10 years. The way we Have fought these wars has been the greatest recruitment tool.

You really should refrain from speaking about things you have no real knowledge of.

You are moving the goal post of your argument. You stated the Trump's ban on those 7 countries was a huge recruitment tool. I simply stated that we are hated already. Our mere existence angers them. Here is the point I addressed.

How do you guys not understand this ban is the greatest recruitment tool for the enemy? When people feel persecuted, left out, discriminated against well that spawns hatred.

 

[GigaloRob]

You have to be kidding me right?? The KKK has killed countless blacks over the year if you are implying they are not dangerous you are insaine.
But since you asked for references;
"The Southern Poverty Law Center estimates that there are 190 active KKK groups with between 5,000 and 8,000 Klan members in the U.S."
https://www.census.gov/popclock/
Here is a calculator online that you can use as a "reference"
Online Calculator

I asked for your sources on the stats you threw around about isis and the kkk.

 

[Sk8man101]

You are moving the goal post of your argument. You stated the Trump's ban on those 7 countries was a huge recruitment tool. I simply stated that we are hated already. Our mere existence angers them. Here is the point I addressed.

I don't think they all hate us as much as you think.
If anything it seems like there are more Americans that hate them than the other way around.

 

[GigaloRob]

You have to be kidding me right?? The KKK has killed countless blacks over the year if you are implying they are not dangerous you are insaine.
But since you asked for references;
"The Southern Poverty Law Center estimates that there are 190 active KKK groups with between 5,000 and 8,000 Klan members in the U.S."
https://www.census.gov/popclock/
Here is a calculator online that you can use as a "reference"
Online Calculator

So now we are discussing what groups have killed who over the course of history? I thought we were discussing refugees,immigration and who is the biggest security threat in the present world. Here is a hint...it's not the kkk.

 

[Sk8man101]

I asked for your sources on the stats you threw around about isis and the kkk.

These are estimations from our government officials and other governments.
Obviously no one knows forsure how many Isis members there are.
Honestly I have to apologize as my estimates were from things I read months ago, ISIS members are believed to have dropped to about 30,000 now.

 

[ronin17]

You are moving the goal post of your argument. You stated the Trump's ban on those 7 countries was a huge recruitment tool. I simply stated that we are hated already. Our mere existence angers them. Here is the point I addressed.

The point is the same. We are helping create our enemies. Yes many of them hate us and those people are a lost cause . I helluva lot more of them love us and we make it easier for them to hate us with the way we conduct our foreign affairs. this travel ban is a perfect way for Isis and Al Qaeda to say "see you're not welcome, you're not special, you're not good enough to be an American,they hate you"

The man in office is going to be the greatest recruitment tool for these extremists. Don't take my word for just listen to his campaigns he doesn't make the distinction most the time of radical terrorist, he just says Muslims.

Hatred breeds hatred.

 

[Sk8man101]

So now we are discussing what groups have killed who over the course of history? I thought we were discussing refugees,immigration and who is the biggest security threat in the present world. Here is a hint...it's not the kkk.

I didn't change the subject you wanted the sources..
I was showing you the math and proving that Muslims are no more likely to become radicalists than Christians. How could you not see that comparison?

 

[ronin17]

Legitimate Terrorrist can burn in fucking hell but, we are helping create our enemies.

 

[GigaloRob]

The point is the same. We are helping create our enemies. Yes many of them hate us and those people are a lost cause . I helluva lot more of them love us and we make it easier for them to hate us with the way we conduct our foreign affairs. this travel ban is a perfect way for Isis and Al Qaeda to say "see you're not welcome, you're not special, you're not good enough to be an American,they hate you"

The man in office is going to be the greatest recruitment tool for these extremists. Don't take my word for just listen to his campaigns he doesn't make the distinction most the time of radical terrorist, he just says Muslims.

Hatred breeds hatred.

I respect your opinion. We just don't see things the same.

 

[Sk8man101]

Legitimate Terrorrist can burn in fucking hell

Probably the only truly accurate thing that's been said in this thread so far haha.