Because we won it fair and square.
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Where are you palestine?
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Israel didn't win it fair and square. It was given to them by other countries. You'd be ok with your homeland being given to another group of people by a separate group of people who had no business there in the first place?
ranger.danger
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I think you're over simplifying this. In my eyes that land is 100% theirs. So there's no real correlation to be made, such as the Indians or giving our land away.
This land was not owned 100% by the Native Indians before we colonized and slaughtered our way to owning it?
I don't have any bones to pick with you so please don't take my comments personally but I fail to see how it's ok to take land from one kind of people to give back to "its rightful owner" but not another land.
ranger.danger
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No offense taken man. I enjoy talking to people with different points of view. But my opinion on this matter is that the land was originally the Jews. The land wasn't just done random area that was decided to given them. That was their land to begin with.
America is different to me. Maybe it's not right to just go take land but that's what happened. We did a lot of messed up things to the Indians but I think for the most part America has changed and we don't live with a hatred for native Americans. We also for the most part don't treat our children to hate them and teach them they are Satan.
I'm sure you can say it's ignorant to try and make this correlation, and say not all Muslims feel that way. I don't feel they are all that way, but you can't tell me the majority of them over there fighting with Israel isn't fighting for their total destruction.
I guess what I'm trying to say is there is a huge difference to me between the conflict in the middle East and how America came to be.
Why is it your opinion that the land was originally the Jews???
ranger.danger
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Is it really that uncommon to believe this way or am I some crazy guy out in left field??
NO...Your not alone. In fact your probably in the majority, at least here in this country, I can't speak for the rest of the world.
Do you know when the word "Jew" was first coined? Do you know what it meant? Do you know where the word Hebrew came from and who it was referring to? Did you know that Abram ( now referred to as Abraham) came over from Sumeria? Do you know where Sumeria was? Do you know what tribes or people were in the land when he arrived? Do you why he came?
History is very elusive. University cellars are full of historical "anomalies". Things and artifacts that don't coincide with the "facts" as we were taught and believed.
Do you know when the word "Jew" was first coined? Do you know what it meant? Do you know where the word Hebrew came from and who it was referring to? Did you know that Abram ( now referred to as Abraham) came over from Sumeria? Do you know where Sumeria was? Do you know what tribes or people were in the land when he arrived? Do you why he came?
History is very elusive. University cellars are full of historical "anomalies". Things and artifacts that don't coincide with the "facts" as we were taught and believed.
ranger.danger
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I'm in no means an expert. I admit my views are influenced by my religious beliefs...
Like I said I'm no expert I just know what I remember from reading in the Bible, which is a little rusty at this point in time haha
Like I said I'm no expert I just know what I remember from reading in the Bible, which is a little rusty at this point in time haha
ranger.danger
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Crazy how much conflict is caused over these things!
GeorgeForemanRules
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Israel are the bad guys in this story.
GeorgeForemanRules
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More like Israel want all Palestinians dead, and Israel is doing a great job of it, they make Hitler look like a humanitarian.
How do you figure? Give me a little facts on this. And you do know the Arabs helped Hitler to exterminate the Jews don't you? So your comment is associated backwards. I can go on and on about how the Palestinians and other Muslims have made comments that they want the Israelis (little satan) dead. How the Palestinians always fire first when there's a cease fire, that the Israelis warn then over and over before they retaliate, the Arabs fought along side Hitler to kill the Jews, that there's archeological evidence the Jews have occupied that land for thousands of years, that there was almost absolutely no one in that region when the Jews were given that land. Jeez, I can go all day long. If any nation on earth were to be bombarded with rockets like Israel that nation would retaliate.
GeorgeForemanRules
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I am no fan of Arabs or Israel. Both have horrible history's of terrible activity and still to this day are criminals.
This is not personal but your ignorance of history is appalling.....
You said that before and have yet to name which of what I stated to be wrong nor have you proved me wrong. I'm not going off of what is in my head. I research it. So you just claiming me to be wrong doesn't hold any weight.
Everything you stated was at the least a stretch, half truth or downright wrong. I'm not going to waste my time. See if you can go back a year or two into the posts I made on this subject.
One last thing on YOUR "research". PLEASE post the information you found that stated
"that there was almost absolutely no one in that region when the Jews were given that land".
One last thing on YOUR "research". PLEASE post the information you found that stated
"that there was almost absolutely no one in that region when the Jews were given that land".
ranger.danger
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Damn giants!
1) Did the Arabic community help Hitler to kill jews? Do you find that the nazis and the Arabs killing of the Jews to be just?
2) have the Arabic community made comments about wanting Jews dead and call them little satan in modern years?
3) have archeologists found evidence that the Jews date back to that region thousands of years ago?
4) when there is a cease fire and negotiations are taking place does Hamas and the Palestinians fire rockets at Israel first?
From a Harvard article.
"From the period of the Crusades to the beginning of modern times, the population of Palestine remained at a near constant level.2This apparent stability is significant, as populations naturally tend to increase over time. It is estimated that there were 205,000 people living in Palestine in the mid 1500s.3By 1800, the population had only grown to 275,000, reflecting about a thousandth of a percent of average growth a year.4By 1890, still before any significant Jewish immigration, the population had made a slightly larger jump, to 532,000.5But even with this increase, the nineteenth century growth rate was still a small 0.7% per year.6By comparison, in the 1940s the Muslim growth rate in the Middle East was closer to 3.07%.7"
"The homeland that Britain said it would set aside consisted of all of what is now Israel and all of what was then the nation of Jordan -- the whole thing. That was what Britain promised to give the Jews in 1917. In the beginning, there was some Arab support for this action. There was not a huge Arab population in the land at that time, and there is a reason for that. The land was not able to sustain a large population of people. It just did not have the development it needed to handle those people, and nobody really wanted this land. It was considered to be worthless land.
Mark Twain -- Samuel Clemens -- took a tour of Palestine in 1867. This is how he described that land. We are talking about Israel now. He said: "A desolate country whose soil is rich enough but is given over wholly to weeds. A silent, mournful expanse. We never saw a human being on the whole route. There was hardly a tree or a shrub anywhere. Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country."
Where was this great Palestinian nation? It did not exist. It was not there. Palestinians were not there. Palestine was a region named by the Romans, but at that time it was under the control of Turkey, and there was no large mass of people there because the land would not support them.
This is the report that the Palestinian Royal Commission, created by the British, made. It quotes an account of the conditions on the coastal plain along the Mediterranean Sea in 1913. The Palestinian Royal Commission said:
"The road leading from Gaza to the north was only a summer track, suitable for transport by camels or carts. No orange groves, orchards or vineyards were to be seen until one reached the Yavnev village. Houses were mud. Schools did not exist. The western part toward the sea was almost a desert. The villages in this area were few and thinly populated. Many villages were deserted by their inhabitants."
That was 1913.
The French author Voltaire described Palestine as "a hopeless, dreary place." In short, under the Turks the land suffered from neglect and low population. That is a historic fact. The nation became populated by both Jews and Arabs because the land came to prosper when Jews came back and began to reclaim it. If there had never been any archaeological evidence to support the rights of the Israelis to the territory, it is also important to recognize that other nations in the area have no longstanding claim to the country either."
2) have the Arabic community made comments about wanting Jews dead and call them little satan in modern years?
3) have archeologists found evidence that the Jews date back to that region thousands of years ago?
4) when there is a cease fire and negotiations are taking place does Hamas and the Palestinians fire rockets at Israel first?
From a Harvard article.
"From the period of the Crusades to the beginning of modern times, the population of Palestine remained at a near constant level.2This apparent stability is significant, as populations naturally tend to increase over time. It is estimated that there were 205,000 people living in Palestine in the mid 1500s.3By 1800, the population had only grown to 275,000, reflecting about a thousandth of a percent of average growth a year.4By 1890, still before any significant Jewish immigration, the population had made a slightly larger jump, to 532,000.5But even with this increase, the nineteenth century growth rate was still a small 0.7% per year.6By comparison, in the 1940s the Muslim growth rate in the Middle East was closer to 3.07%.7"
"The homeland that Britain said it would set aside consisted of all of what is now Israel and all of what was then the nation of Jordan -- the whole thing. That was what Britain promised to give the Jews in 1917. In the beginning, there was some Arab support for this action. There was not a huge Arab population in the land at that time, and there is a reason for that. The land was not able to sustain a large population of people. It just did not have the development it needed to handle those people, and nobody really wanted this land. It was considered to be worthless land.
Mark Twain -- Samuel Clemens -- took a tour of Palestine in 1867. This is how he described that land. We are talking about Israel now. He said: "A desolate country whose soil is rich enough but is given over wholly to weeds. A silent, mournful expanse. We never saw a human being on the whole route. There was hardly a tree or a shrub anywhere. Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country."
Where was this great Palestinian nation? It did not exist. It was not there. Palestinians were not there. Palestine was a region named by the Romans, but at that time it was under the control of Turkey, and there was no large mass of people there because the land would not support them.
This is the report that the Palestinian Royal Commission, created by the British, made. It quotes an account of the conditions on the coastal plain along the Mediterranean Sea in 1913. The Palestinian Royal Commission said:
"The road leading from Gaza to the north was only a summer track, suitable for transport by camels or carts. No orange groves, orchards or vineyards were to be seen until one reached the Yavnev village. Houses were mud. Schools did not exist. The western part toward the sea was almost a desert. The villages in this area were few and thinly populated. Many villages were deserted by their inhabitants."
That was 1913.
The French author Voltaire described Palestine as "a hopeless, dreary place." In short, under the Turks the land suffered from neglect and low population. That is a historic fact. The nation became populated by both Jews and Arabs because the land came to prosper when Jews came back and began to reclaim it. If there had never been any archaeological evidence to support the rights of the Israelis to the territory, it is also important to recognize that other nations in the area have no longstanding claim to the country either."
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